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The Players Who Have Hit 8th (& 9th) Most Often Since 1919

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The past few weeks, I've looked at the players who have hit most often in the 5th, 6th, and 7th spots in the batting order. This post focuses on the 8th spot, which is quite a different beast.

The graphic below shows the players with the most starts in the 8th spot in the lineup, as well as the players who have started in the 8th spot the highest percentage of the time (minimum 400 starts hitting 8th):


Compared to the other batting spots I've covered, the 8th spot is very well-defined. The totals are higher, and the percentages are much higher. There are a sizeable number of hitters that basically never batted anywhere but 8th. In all, 20 hitters batted 8th in at least 90% of their starts; for perspective, just 11 players hit 7th in even 50% of their starts. Only 2 players hit 6th in half of their starts.

Typically, the guys in the graphic above are terrible hitters who nonetheless played regularly because they offered strong defense at an important position (shortstop, 2nd base, or catcher).

Since some modern AL players have spent a lot of time hitting 9th, I also ran the numbers for the 8th and 9th spots combined. I give those numbers, as well as the ones for the 9th spot on its own, after the jump.

Before we look at the 9th spot, though, let's compare the 8th spot to the other parts of the batting order that I've researched. First, let's look at the number of players to have at least 400, 600, & 800 starts at each spot:

Lineup Spot 400+ GS 600+ GS 800+ GS
5th 153 43 7
6th 63 13 2
7th 68 7 1
8th 141 43 18

As you can see, the 8th spot is at least as likely as the 5th spot to produce long-term, stable hitters. At the high end of 800+ starts, there are actually many more hitters in the 8th spot, which indicates that it's easier for a hitter to get locked into the 8th spot for an entire career. (800 games is about 5 full seasons; the top player, Al Lopez, had almost 9 seasons in the 8th spot.)

Now let's look at the bottom-half batting order positions by percentage of games played (this is for players with 400 starts in a given spot):

Lineup Spot 40%+ of GS 50%+ of GS 60%+ of GS
5th 37 11 6
6th 15 2 1
7th 33 11 5
8th 104 87 60

In addition, 33 hitters batted 8th in at least 80% of their starts, something that no player did in any of the other 3 spots. What this means is that the players who batted 8th a lot generally had shorter careers than the guys on the other lists--which makes sense, because 8th hitters are, well, bad at hitting. When they did play, though, they almost never hit anywhere but 8th.

Okay, let's look at the leaderboards for the 8th & 9th spot combined. What I've done is find the combined starts in both spots and then subtracted out starts that a player made in the 8th spot in DH games (post 1973, in an AL park). In other words, this is the list of the 10 players to hit last in the lineup the most, not counting the pitcher.

  1. Al Lopez, 1363 (8th, pre-DH)
  2. Jim Hegan, 1317 (8th, pre-DH)
  3. Roy McMillan, 1190 (8th, pre-DH)
  4. Ozzie Guillen, 1120 (25 8th with no DH, 1095 9th)
  5. Ed Brinkman, 1115 (869 8th with no DH, 246 9th)
  6. Alfredo Griffin, 1060 (328 8th with no DH, 732 9th)
  7. Mark Belanger, 1054 (420 8th with no DH, 634 9th)
  8. Dal Maxvill, 1050 (8th, pre-DH)
  9. Doug Flynn, 994 (917 8th with no DH, 77 9th)
  10. Brad Ausmus, 976 (900 8th with no DH, 76 9th)

Nothing too surprising here, though we get a much better mix of old & new players than in the graphic above. This list could also double as the worst 10 hitters to have long careers since 1919.

Now let's look at the players to hit last the highest percentage of the time (to qualify, a player must have hit either 8th or 9th at least 400 times). The list is pretty much the same as the one in the graphic above, with one notable exception:

  1. Ray Berres, 98.4%
  2. Ray Oyler, 97.3%
  3. Willy Miranda, 96.8%
  4. Johnny Bassler, 96.6%
  5. Rey Ordonez, 96.2% (92.4% 8th with no DH, 3.8% 9th)
  6. Jose Uribe, 96.0%
  7. Dal Maxvill, 96.0%
  8. Moe Berg, 95.6%
  9. Rafael Belliard, 95.2%
  10. Joe Astroth, 95.2%

Rey Ordoñez slips onto the list in 5th place. It's nice to have him there, as he's certainly the preeminent terrible hitter of the late 90's / early 00's. Rafael Belliard, part two, in other words.

Before subtracting out times hitting 8th with the DH rule in place, Ordoñez actually ranked 2nd, right between Ray Berres and Ray Oyler. To put it another way, if you don't make any qualifications, the top 3 players since 1919 in percentage of starts hitting 8th or 9th are all named Ray/Rey.

If you look at just the most times hitting 9th (for non-pitchers), here are the top 10 players. As you'd expect from the above list, Ozzie Guillen is #1:

  1. Ozzie Guillen, 1095
  2. Gary DiSarcina, 853
  3. Bucky Dent, 826
  4. Mike Bordick, 752
  5. Alfredo Griffin, 732
  6. Rick Dempsey, 646
  7. Mark Belanger, 634
  8. Dick Schofield (the younger one), 623
  9. Greg Gagne, 621
  10. Omar Vizquel, 600

These totals compare quite strongly with those for the 5th through 7th spots in the order (see table above), but they drop off quickly. Only 30 hitters have at least 400 starts hitting 9th. This makes sense, of course, since the DH has only been in place for ~40 years and only in one league.

I suspect that if you looked at the batting spots just in the AL since the DH rule was instituted, the 9th spot would be one of the most well-defined batting order positions. Next, here are the players with the highest percentage of starts hitting 9th (among those 30 with at least 400 starts there):

  1. Pat Kelly, 89.5% (520 out of 581)
  2. Gary DiSarcina, 80.0% (853 out of 1066)
  3. John McDonald, 72.4% (418 out of 577)
  4. Tom Veryzer, 65.6% (557 out of 849)
  5. Manuel Lee, 64.4% (499 out of 775)
  6. Billy Ripken, 62.2% (503 out of 809)
  7. Ozzie Guillen, 61.7% (1095 out of 1775)
  8. Bucky Dent, 61.5% (826 out of 1344)
  9. Frank Duffy, 59.0% (459 out of 778)
  10. Pat Meares, 49.1% (454 out of 924)

I'd love to field a team with all 10 of these guys on it. They wouldn't win many games, but when they did win one, man, the other team would feel so bad about itself.

Finally, I had a request to split off the 8th hitters for the NL and the AL in the DH era. So, here are links to the top hitters in the 8th spot in the AL and the NL.