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Cameron/Nady Swap

Pending Physical, Mets trade OF Mike Cameron to Padres for OF/1B Xavier Nady

Site writer Richard B. Wade is a Padre fan and I'm a Met fan, so this makes for interesting discussion, if we ever get around to it. Otherwise, I expect a nice comment from the Padre perspective. So, quickly, some rationales:

  • New York Mets: Free up more salary for a big bat/closer, move Cameron to a situation in which he will play his more natural CF position, potential 1B platoon candidate in Nady?
  • San Diego Padres: Add centerfielder with pop at a reasonable salary to spacious Petco outfield.
You'd be hard-pressed to make the case that Xavier Nady is a better hitter than Mike Cameron, so it's pretty clear that the Padres got the better player out of the deal. Three Padre free agents, however, have surfaced in rumors about the Mets: Brian Giles, Ramon Hernandez, and Trevor Hoffman. So if that money is parlayed into one of those three players, the trade is quite a bit more than Cameron for Nady, straight up.

That said, in another sense, if the Padres have already decided that Giles, Hernandez, or Hoffman are not worth resigning, then they should be commended for doing what they can to compensate for their salaries.

Buster Olney of ESPN.com was very anti-Met with his reaction to the trade in his blog, and Dan Szymborski of BTF was somewhat anti-Padre in his reaction. I'll take the middle ground on this one. For the Padres, it's a good acquisition. Nady wasn't getting a chance to thrive and Mike Cameron's defensive reputation makes him seem ideal for Petco (the numbers said that he was actually below average in rightfield this year, but we'll see how that goes next year in San Diego's center).

By EqA, Cameron has been an above average hitter for most of his career, posting EqAs above .260 every season since 1999, never peaking above .292 and never dropping below .269. If he recovers from his injuries, I can't see him being too far off of his standard performance: you'll get good plate discipline, some speed, some power, and a bunch of strikeouts that scare people, but they're really OK, too. The Padres either undervalue Brian Giles at their own risk or have a plan to replace his offense, somehow, because Cameron's not in the same league.

For the Mets, there have been millions of rumors about this trade, including many starting about moving Xavier Nady elsewhere. "Congratulations, welcome to the New York rumor mill." If you're not into hearing your name in trade rumors, you're not into the New York thing, certainly. The ONLY Met whose name I didn't hear mentioned at least once in trade rumors this year was Pedro Martinez. Seriously. (Granted, one of them was the David Wright-Danys Baez thing, but that was more of a joke than anything else).

Nady's a career .263/.320/.414 hitter without nearly the defensive reputation of Cameron. The positive spin for Nady, though, is his career lefty/righty split:

Lefties: .323/.390/.452
Righties: .232/.282/.395

Whether or not this is due to limited playing time, exposure, or experience, or anything, Nady mashes lefties and gets eaten alive by righties. Mike Jacobs, the Met C/1B callup, wowed many with his surprising and Shane Spencer-esque .310/.375/.710 line in 100 AB. Either the Mets were concerned about his abilities against lefties or fate played out very strangely, because Jake only got 5 AB against them (with 2 hits). The sample size of 100 AB is far too small to point out a platoon difference, but Nady appears to exhibit it.

Rationally, then, the Mets could run a straight platoon of Jacobs and Nady at first base and then use Nady to play in corner outfield spots, on occasion.

Nady's most recent stint in AAA was back in 2004, and, over half a season, he destroyed the level. He was 25, though.

The Padres got a player they could use, but they probably sealed their fate with their free agents in the process. The Mets got money and a guy with some value, but a guy who probably will never fulfill his promise from his days at Cal. It's a mixed deal, certainly. We'll see how the Mets use the money.

An aside: PECOTA nailed Nady last year. He hit .261/.320/.439, and his weighted mean forecast was .262/.322/.437. My compliments to the algorithm and its creator.

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On the Padres and salaries...
One gets the impression that the Padres are looking at bringing in older players with only one year remaining on their deals in order to try to steal a divison that looks as though it may be weak again, but still have money free next off-season to provide players that complement the Padres' "crop" of young players they expect ready by '07. I don't think they're undervaluing Giles. I think they just don't want to be paying him $10M in '07 & '08. I think KT may still be gun shy about multi-year deals and players past their prime and that's probably not a bad thing in the long run.

As for Nady, Bochy had some sort of problem with him because he refused to play him as regularly as Kevin Towers wanted. I still don't understand why he couldn't just be told what to do, but whatever.

by Richard Wade on Nov 18, 2005 3:53 PM EST reply actions  

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I can't blame them for not wanting to return Giles, but my point is that they haven't begun to compensate for losing him at all... I'm thinking Beane and Giambi as my example.

Generally, on its own, the deal isn't very good for the Mets, but the move's main benefit is money. We'll see how it goes from here.

by Dan Scotto @ Beyond the Box Score on Nov 18, 2005 8:57 PM EST up reply actions  

On the deal overall...
Nady is a below average corner outfielder and is only about average at first base. The Padre organization doesn't have a shortage of guys who slug under .450, on-base under .330 and only play the corner outfield and first base.

What we did lack (and still do if Cameron doesn't pass the physical) is a legit centerfielder. Cameron looks to replace Nady's bat (Klesko to first, DR to left) and Roberts's centerfield glove. Both are upgrades.

I really don't think the deal makes sense for the Mets (in a vacuum, at least). Unless the deal was made to free up payroll or possibly with the intent of including Nady in another deal, I still don't get it.

by Richard Wade on Nov 18, 2005 3:58 PM EST reply actions  

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The OBP was what interested me, actually, more so than the other things, and it's all relative. He's been terrible against righties and much better against lefties.

"Mashes" was perhaps the wrong word, considering. His ISO against righties in '05 was actually pretty high (over 200), just with little in the batting average department. The contact, though, and OBP, are much better against lefties. Maybe he sees the ball better.

by Dan Scotto @ Beyond the Box Score on Nov 19, 2005 8:28 PM EST reply actions  

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