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The End of an Era in Houston?

Jeff Bagwell is starting to think he's all done for in Houston, which is a sad prospect for myself, a lifelong Jeff Bagwell fan. The Houston Astros hats I own are basically my ode to Bagwell and Biggio (and previously Mike Hampton and Darryl Kile back in the day). Let's take a look at Jeff Bagwell's career numbers, and contemplate his Cooperstown status (because he deserves it, damnit!).

Jeff Bagwell (1991-2005)
.297/.408/.541
H: 2311
HR: 449
2B: 488
BB: 1400
SB: 202 (72% success)
EqA: .322
Iso: .244
SecAvg: .440

WARP3: 126.4
Peak WARP: 53.1
JAWS: 89.75
BRAR: 941
BRAA:684
FRAA: 62

Let's take a look at the average Hall of Fame first basemen, based on their DT Card scores:

WARP3: 98.2
Peak: 43.1
JAWS: 70.7
BRAR: 717
BRAA: 465
FRAA: 2

And Bagwell's differences, as compared to average HoF'ers:

WARP3: +28.2
Peak: +10
JAWS: +19.05
BRAR: +224
BRAA: +219
FRAA: +60

First ballot Hall of Famer, and I expect no different from the BBWAA when Bagwell's time comes (2010 at the earliest if he officially retires this year). Let's take a look at Bagwell's best season, 1994:

Bagwell (1994)
.368/.451/.750
AB: 400
G: 110
HR: 39
2B: 32
BB: 65 BB
SB: 15 (79% success)
WARP3: 13.4
EqA: .382
VORP: 93.5

What a monster season...and he only played 110 games, with 400 at-bats. Imagine what would have happened if he did not break his hand and the strike had not occurred. It would have been one of the great seasons in history, and also could have had possible Triple Crown ramifications. That is, if Tony Gwynn had cooled off the chase for .400 anyways (finished at .394). Oh 1994: the year where Gwynn may have hit .400, Matt Williams may have broke the homerun record, Jeff Bagwell could have as well while winning the Triple Crown, the Expos may have finished in first, and a team from the AL West may have won the division under .500 (Rangers stood in first place at 52-62 at the time of the strike). What could have been...

By the way, on a closing note, Bagwell slugged .750 in 1994 (11th all-time as of now; 7th all-time back in 94': Three seasons from Bonds and McGwire's 1998 campaign moved Bagwell out of the top ten). Bags has had quite the amazing career, and is a first ballot Hall of Famer in my mind.

Of course, your own opinion is welcome in the poll.

Poll
Should Jeff Bagwell be a First Ballot HoF'er?
Yes
70 votes
No
12 votes
He shouldn't be in the HoF at all
0 votes

82 votes | Poll has closed

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it would be interesting to compare Jeff Bagwell to Frank Thomas since their stats are almost identical and they were born on the same day.

by mrmetaa on May 13, 2005 11:20 AM EDT reply actions  

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For a detailed comparison between Bagwell and Thomas and others go here:

Jeff Bagwell Career--similar players

It's kind of funny that we're even talking about whether or not Bagwell goes in, but at a time when he should be putting the frosting on the cake, he is basically shutting down.  

Look at his tammate Craig Biggio, who is more and more solid as a Hall of Famer every day--and I know coz they tell me every night, as he passes another guy on the all-time list in hits, doubles, steals, or leadoff homers.  No-one would tell you that Biggio is as good as he was, but he still compares pretty favorably with the average player at his position (if you are willing to call that position second base).  

Quite frankly, Bagwell does not.  It would be much simpler if Bagwell could simply cap his career with four graceful, fade into the sunset years of 140 hits and 30 homers, so that he might end up with nearly 3000 hits and over 550 homers.  Then you can forgive, that hey, he wasn't at the top at the end, but look at the milestones.  

The way it's gonna play out, of course, he leaves as an average player for his position, and shy of the milestones that everyone looks at.  

The more and more I think about it, the more I think Bagwell is yielding his "greatest player in Houston history" title to Biggio.  But I still do not think that he has yielded his Hall of Fame credentials.  

I don't know anything about VORP or Borgs or  Eqa or any of that jazz, but I do know that Dizzy Dean got hurt, and that Sandy Koufax got hurt, and in a different sport, Gayle Sayers got hurt, and no-one ever had any doubts about where those players and their skillsets belonged.  

During the '90's, playing in a pitcher's park, Bagwell was consistently excellent.  After winning the NL Rookie of the Year, and having a credible sophomore season, Bagwell was at 140 OPS+ or above for the next NINE seasons.  His numbers during the 1994 NL MVP year look as if they were generated during a 162-game season instead of during a severely strike-curtailed one.  

People remember 1994, but they don't remember 1999, when all Bagwell did was lead the league in runs and walks and games and power/speed number and times on base.

During those years, he always ran better than other sluggers, and played defense better than them, too.  I haven't been watching for fifty years or anything, but the two best defensive first basemen I have ever seen are Jeff Bagwell and Derrick Lee.  And Bagwell in his prime probably turned the 3-6-3, and reached for the throw in the dirt better than Lee does now, in his prime.

Bagwell has been denied the opportunity to age gracefully; it has been a pretty sharp slide these last two years.  But anyone who saw him play in the nineties, and understands the situation, would feel as I do:  that the man needs to be in the Hall.

by rastronomicals @ Beyond the Box Score on May 13, 2005 2:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Bags didnt reach the milestones
but the point of the sabermetric view is to look past the milestones, and see that Bagwell, a guy who won't get 3,000 hits or even 500 homeruns is one of the best first basemen of all time.

Its this view that makes guys like Biggio valuable without the 3,000 hits he'll eventually get.

"I don't set the rosters, I just make fun of the guy who does" - Rob Neyer

by Marc Normandin on May 13, 2005 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

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Wow, I knew Bagwell was an obvious Hall of Famer but never realized he was that good. Thomas is an obvious choice for the HoF too but if I had to choose I'd take Bagwell for his big advantage in defensive value.

I'm sure he'll get in, I just hope he doesn't have to wait longer than he should because of BBWAA idiocy about the lack of milestones or the overall lack of postseason performance.

by Jim Wisinski on May 14, 2005 12:06 PM EDT reply actions  

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