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Is there a Kuroda and Oswalt Alternative?

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This off-season starting pitching hasn't been as deep as past years. C.J. Wilson was the top prize, following him you have the likes of Mark Buehrle, Edwin Jackson, Hiroki Kuroda and Roy Oswalt.

Buehrle signed with the Miami Marlins and Edwin Jackson is waiting for a monster contract. The last two are probably looking at 1-2 year deals with more than $9 million a year. There's a pitcher who's been just as good the last three seasons and he's much younger than both of these pitchers.

That pitcher is Gavin Floyd of the Chicago White Sox. Since 2009 Floyd has been almost the exact same pitcher as these two:

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Name Team IP BB% K% GB% HR/FB LOB% BABIP ERA- FIP- xFIP- FBv ID

Hiroki Kuroda Dodgers 514.1 5.7 % 19.2 % 47.6 % 9.8 % 72.7 % 0.282 86 92 88 92.2 3283

Roy Oswalt - - - 531 6.0 % 19.4 % 44.6 % 8.5 % 74.9 % 0.286 86 87 91 92.5 571

Gavin Floyd White Sox 573 6.8 % 19.5 % 46.1 % 9.6 % 69.2 % 0.296 95 84 88 91.8 3886

One common these three pitchers all share is that fact that they all are good at limiting the amount of walks that they give up. He also does a good job at getting strikeouts, even though he pounds the zone he limits the amount of home runs he gives up. According to Statcorner's park factors for last year, U.S. Cellular field was 32% easier to hit home runs compared to league average last year. Had it not been as easy to hit home runs, Floyd's HR/FB would have for sure been lower. Dodger Stadium had a park factor of 104 and Citizens Bank Park had a park factor of 118. Oswalt didn't pitch all three seasons with the Phillies but it still was a factor. Floyd actually does a slightly better job at getting groundballs than Oswalt. Since they have such similar peripherals, Floyd's ERA- should drop towards the same level as Oswalt and Kuroda.

Since 2009, Floyd has accumlated 12.4 WAR, averaging out to 4.1 per season. Oswalt has accumlated 10.2 over that period and Kuroda has managed 8.6 WAR. From this you can tell that Floyd has been the more valuable pitcher while being younger as well. Next season Floyd is scheduled to make $7 million dollars, he as a $9.5 million dollar club option for 2013, which is pretty team friendly for a 2.5-4 WAR pitcher.

I'm not sure if the White Sox or rebuilding or not, because of that they may not be willing to deal Floyd. If they were I would imagine they would want a decent haul for him. Prospects aren't exactly my thing so I can't say exactly what it would cost.

Kuroda and Oswalt are good pitchers but they are heading towards the tail end of their careers, if teams are looking for an alternative and they don't want to spend as much as they would by signing one those two than Gavin Floyd may be their best option.

This player comp came out of the fanpost section and is a nice job by mauerfan. Edited for presentation purposes. -jbopp

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Floyd, Oswalt, Kuroda

You are spot on about the similarities between the three pitchers as far as peripherals are concerned. Using 2010/2011 data and looking at the K/9, BB/9 and GB/FB stats here are Floyd’s top five closest comparables (cutoff 150ip, 160 starting pitcher sample size).

Name, (K/9, BB/9, GB/FB)
G.Floyd, (7.15, 2.44, 1.36)
1. Brett Myers (6.93, 2.53, 1.41)
2. Hiroki Kuroda (7.23, 2.19, 1.41)
3. Roy Oswalt (7.34, 2.27, 1.25)
4. Bartolo Colon (7.18, 2.18, 1.24) << Free agent too
5. Chris Carpenter (7.05, 2.25, 1.59)

Only problem with trading for Floyd is that you still have to pay him $7M but also give up some prospects and or players. With Kuroda and Oswalt you only need to pay them. Just something to keep in mind. Good job on the comparisons though!

by Xeifrank on Jan 9, 2012 8:22 PM EST reply actions  

good feedback.

Only thing I would add is that there are a number of simple typos of the spoken word/misspelling type that detract from the point. Take a closer look at these mauerfan and take another swing at it when you get a chance.

by Justin Bopp on Jan 9, 2012 11:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Typos

Typos and such have always been my achillies heal, something I defientely need to work on. When you say take another swing at this I assume you mean another article with a new topic, right? Thanks for putting this up, Justin.

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by MauerFan on Jan 10, 2012 8:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep. The best way to rid yourself of typos is to read read read, write write write,

and edit edit edit. And then get a good editor. But there’s typos and then there’s stuff that won’t be accepted, if you know what I mean.

by Justin Bopp on Jan 11, 2012 12:57 AM EST up reply actions  

...

That was just a stupid mistake but I got yah.

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by MauerFan on Jan 11, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Prospects

The prospects part slipped my mind when writing this. One other person caught this as well. Thanks for your thougts man.

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by MauerFan on Jan 10, 2012 8:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Great job

Didn’t realize how good Floyd has been.

Creator of the Hall of wWAR@baseballtwit on Twitter

by adarowski on Jan 10, 2012 1:03 AM EST reply actions  

Thanks

Thanks man.

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by MauerFan on Jan 10, 2012 8:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks!

Can’t believe this made the front, thanks a lot! I’ll reply to comments after school or when I have time.

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by MauerFan on Jan 10, 2012 7:49 AM EST reply actions  

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