BtBWAA 2012 Hall of Fame Vote: Seven Players Headed for Cooperstown
On Monday, the Baseball Writers Association of America will release the results of its 2012 Hall of Fame vote. Given the history of BBWAA Cooperstown voting (both recently and not so recently) it's safe to say that the voters' decisions will be met with some frustration.
Rather than wait to see what the BBWAA does, we here at Beyond the Box Score decided to take matters into our own hands. Twelve members of our "BtBWAA" held a mock vote to see who would get into our version of Cooperstown.
As with the real vote, each writer was allowed up to 10 picks per ballot. A player must be named on 75 percent of ballots (in this case meaning nine votes) in order to be elected to the Hall of Fame. Any candidate who gets less than five percent support (in this case, anyone who was named on even one ballot would clear that) would be dropped for the 2013 vote.
Without further ado, here are our picks for who should join Ron Santo's (our Veterans Committee election winner) widow in Cooperstown in July:
| T1. | Jeff Bagwell — 92% |
| T1. | Edgar Martinez — 92% |
| T1. | Alan Trammell — 92% |
| T4. | Tim Raines — 83% |
| T4. | Larry Walker — 83% |
| T6. | Barry Larkin — 75% |
| T6. | Rafael Palmeiro — 75% |
Full results—in both text and graphic form—after the jump.
| 8. | Mark McGwire — 67% |
| 9. | Fred McGriff — 42% |
| 10. | Jack Morris — 25% |
| T11. | Lee Smith — 17% |
| T11. | Don Mattingly — 17% |
| T11. | Dale Murphy — 17% |
| T14. | Bernie Williams — 8% |
| T14. | Juan Gonzalez — 8% |
| T14. | Brad Radke — 8% |
| T17. | Bill Mueller* — 0% |
| T17. | Tim Salmon* — 0% |
| T17. | Terry Mulholland* — 0% |
| T17. | Phil Nevin* — 0% |
| T17. | Jeromy Burnitz* — 0% |
| T17. | Vinny Castilla* — 0% |
| T17. | Brian Jordan* — 0% |
| T17. | Javy Lopez* — 0% |
| T17. | Ruben Sierra* — 0% |
| T17. | Tony Womack* — 0% |
| T17. | Eric Young* — 0% |
* denotes player who failed to reach 5%
Or, if you prefer your results in infographic form:
This looks nothing like what the BBWAA will do, nor does it bear much resemblance to the other mock vote in which I participated. But in my opinion, we did a fantastic job. Of all the award votes I've been a part of at BtB, I'm most proud of this one.
In a year that will likely set a new record for fewest votes per BBWAA ballot, we certainly weren't stingy with our votes. We averaged eight votes per ballot (last year, the BBWAA averaged less than six) and elected seven players: Bagwell, Martinez, Trammell, Raines, Walker, Larkin, and Palmeiro. As far as I can tell, this would be the biggest elected class in Cooperstown history.
Besides the fact that we elected seven people, the thing I found most interesting about the results is that we didn't pick anyone unanimously. Not even the best of the best get in with 100 percent in the real vote, but with only 12 writers participating—all of us at least share similar philosophies in how we approach the game, I'd say—I had expected at least one of Bagwell, Raines, or Martinez to get 12 yea votes.
Some other interesting things about the voting:
- I was shocked that Larkin fell so low—until I counted the last ballot, it looked like he wouldn't get elected. I didn't expect him to finish behind Trammell, and I definitely didn't foresee him placing below Walker. I agree that he's more of a borderline HOFer than a shoo-in, but I figured I would be in the minority.
- Almost all of the first-year candidates fell short—the key word being "almost." Williams will probably top five percent in the BBWAA vote, but I'm betting Radke won't.
- We've taken a pretty clear stand on PEDs, and our consensus is quite different from the BBWAA's. (I don't think using WAR instead of RBI explains how a member of both the 500-home run and 3,000-hit clubs went from finishing at the bottom of the ballot in last year's real vote to Cooperstown here.)
- Speaking of steroids, I was also surprised that Palmeiro finished ahead of McGwire. Big Mac almost doubled Palmeiro's vote total in last year's BBWAA ballot, plus he has superior rate stats and had a much better peak. And while Palmeiro was caught and punished for using illegal substances, McGwire's career predated MLB's first
seriousquasi-effectual anti-PED policies.
My ballot went as follows: Bagwell, Larkin, Martinez, McGriff, McGwire, Palmeiro, Raines, Smith, Trammell, Walker. If you're interested, you can find my reasoning for each of my picks here and explanations for why I snubbed each of the other candidates here.
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As your first reaction?
Mine was more along the lines of “Whoa, Palmeiro’s in”
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I like the results...
I think the percentages for the top 8 are a bit on the low side, but at least we got the result right.
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All 6 of the guys I voted for got in...
I didn’t vote for either Palmeiro or McGwire, but McGwire was a closer call than Palmeiro. I’d be very interested to hear the reasoning of the voter(s) who had Raffy ahead of Mac. Not that I think that’s crazy, just that it’s interesting.
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Agreed
Just checked the ballots again—every voter who had McGwire also had Palmeiro, so it was one writer who chose Palmeiro and not McGwire. He or she—okay, he—didn’t use all 10 of his votes, so it wasn’t just that he ran out of room.
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Yes, that was me.
By every measure I look at that I feel matters, Palmeiro was slightly better both for a full career and over their best 10 year stretch. It’s a very thin line, but you have to draw the line somewhere, so that’s where I drew it.
If I were forced to reconsider, I’d be more likely to vote for neither than vote for both.
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Release all the votes! We demand transparency!!!!
OK, “demand” is a bit harsh. It’d make this more fun, though.
Mostly I want to who the three people are who didn’t vote for Larkin and why, and the one who didn’t vote for Bagwell. And and I want to know who the one who voted for Radke is (as I did on my fake ballot), so I can congratulate him or her.
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by billp on Jan 6, 2012 2:32 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Just the ballots wouldn't be full transparency
I thought about doing that. The biggest I didn’t: Just showing who voted for who isn’t nearly as interesting as why whoever it is voted however he did. That, and I didn’t think it was fair to say “Bill Petti voted for Phil Nevin” (in case anyone important reads this, Bill didn’t actually vote for Phil Nevin) without giving him the chance to explain why.
I will say that the voter who snubbed Bagwell turned in the smallest ballot, so I would guess it was largely to do with his normative size of the Hall of Fame.
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I voted
For the first 9.
Aside: kind of surprised Edgar Martinez got 92%. I figured he’d make it, and I voted for him, but he’s not an obvious one in my opinion.
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by PWHjort on Jan 6, 2012 5:10 PM EST via mobile reply actions
The three people that didn't vote for Larkin
Shame!
Seriously, though, how did Trammell (basically the same player) and Martinez (a DH) get two more votes than Barry?
I voted for...
The first 8. I could probably be convinced to vote for McGriff next time though.
Surprised about Jack Morris getting support.
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by Julian Levine on Jan 6, 2012 10:44 PM EST via mobile reply actions
My vote:
Jeff Bagwell – The best player not enshrined. Easy call.
Edgar Martinez – The second best hitter not enshrined. Such a good hitter that he overcomes the positional adjustment.
Alan Trammell – Every year I love the guy even more.
Tim Raines – Others are higher on him than I am, but I still have him well in the HOF zone.
Larry Walker – WAR is what convinced me he’s a Hall of Famer. I can’t believe I ever doubted it. The numbers are absurd – even after park-adjusting.
Barry Larkin – Lots of people saying that Trammell is better. I think they’re both incredibly close. Several players on this ballot are ridiculously close in wWAR.
Rafael Palmeiro – He had the numbers. My stance on PEDs? I “vote” for him, but I don’t fight for him if someone doesn’t.
Mark McGwire – I do feel more strongly about him than I do Palmeiro. But again, I don’t fight for him that much.
If asked to rank them, I might say:
1. Bagwell
2. Edgar
3a. Larkin
3b. Trammell (I can’t pick one)
5. Raines
6. Walker
7. McGwire
8. Palmeiro
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I voted for
The first 8 as well. My ranking would probably be the same as Adam’s above (maybe Larkin and Trammell tie Edgar for 2a/b/c/), and Palmiero was the one I waffled over the most (though McGwire and Walker aren’t exactly locks either).
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