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White Sox, Tigers Need To Spend More In MLB Draft

This is one thing that boggles my mind harder than playing Boggle in a bog. Here you have the Chicago White Sox and the Detroit Tigers, two of the marquee franchises in Major League Baseball. They're both currently competing for a division crown, and they're both doing okay in attendance. There's money to be spent. And boy, they're spending it. It's just kind of "Boggling-in-a-bog" crazy how they've chosen to spend it.

This season, the Tigers are spending a total of $106.9 million on their MLB payroll, while the White Sox are spending a total of $127.8 million. Last season, those figures sat at $133.9 and $103.0, respectively. So in general, these teams are spending around $235 million each season combined on their MLB rosters. There are only a few select teams in baseball- the Yankees, Red Sox, Cubs, Mets and Angels- that have that kind of financial might, year-in, year-out.

And yet, among all 30 MLB teams, no teams spent less on the draft this year than the White Sox and the Tigers. Based on figures compiled by Baseball America, we see that the White Sox spent a total of $2.78 million on the draft this year, while the Tigers spent about $2.88 million. Compared to the $234.7 million that they've spent on MLB rosters this season, and the clubs are spending about 2.4% of that figure on signing draftees.

Here's another way to put it: the White Sox have spent more in 2011 on paying Braves reliever Scott Linebrink's salary than they've spent on signing their draft class. That right there is completely and utterly unacceptable for any MLB organization that's ran by people with hands- if you have hands, you can write checks.

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Compare that to this year's Pittsburgh Pirates. They're spending just $42 million on their payroll for this season, but they just forked up an MLB-record $18 million in signing bonuses to retain an absolutely stacked draft class. I know that the Pirates weren't planning on contending in 2011 while the White Sox and Tigers have been going all-out from the start, but the larger point is that there's no excuse for a team not to spend on the draft. Whether your MLB payroll sits at $40 million or $140 million, investing $15 million in the draft will ALWAYS be the right investment, because the potential return is absolutely massive and potentially franchise-changing.

The Tigers haven't always been this cheap, though. They've forked up in the past for the likes of Justin Verlander and Rick Porcello. Heck, even last year they spent more money on Nick Castellanos than they spent on their entire draft class for this season. So in some ways, I'm willing to give them a pass on this year's draft, assuming that it's just a one-year thing. Although I will admit that they chose an awfully poor time to get cheap, as this year's draft has been regarded as one of the most deep in recent memory.

But the White Sox... oy. They're a team that's in desperate need of cheap, controllable players, and they're eschewing the one avenue where you can realistically acquire those players. They have a shallow farm system, minimal presence in Asia, a good-but-not-great presence in Latin America and a roster that's getting older and more expensive every year. They're precisely the kind of team that should be battling the likes of the Red Sox and Nationals for expensive prep players and college juniors.

I've always believed that any reasonably smart organization should be able to recognize the strength of investing money into amateur players through the draft. Whether you're a small-market club or the Yankees, the draft is an avenue through which every club is capable of acquiring elite young talent. I just don't know how you can be a big-market club like the White Sox, look at the draft, and decide that the money is better spent elsewhere.

I don't care if you're a contender with a $30 million payroll or a bottom-feeder forking up $150 million to hang out in the basement; you should be spending big on the draft. If you're on top, the draft is the one thing capable of keeping you there. And if you're not? Well, the draft is probably the only way back up. I get the vibe that Kenny Williams doesn't hang around BTB all day looking for advice, but if he is, I'd have to recommend having a meeting with Jerry Reinsdorf about the baseball operations budget.

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I love this quote, Satch:

“Here’s another way to put it: the White Sox have spent more in 2011 on paying Braves reliever Scott Linebrink’s salary than they’ve spent on signing their draft class.”

Damn, that’s a stark comparison.

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by Justin Bopp on Aug 18, 2011 1:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Isn't that crazy?

For a one day, I absolutely loved what the Cubs did and hated what the Sox did.

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by Satchel Price on Aug 18, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I saw these numbers on MLBTR and

I was shocked how little they spent. The white sox need some young talent and how else better than the draft. What’s amazing is the current state of the franchise. They are easily a bottom 5 farm system with top 10 financial capabilities, and they only spent 2.78m! Their young stars (see Beckham, Gordon) hasn’t quite worked out so far (still time). Their trades (see Peavy, Jake), waiver claims (see Rios, Alex), and FA signings (see Dunn, Adam) are equally as bad right now. They are currently starting 3 of the worse 14 hitters in all of baseball. I just don’t see what they are trying to do. They have the top SS in the AL (by fWAR), konerko can still mash, I just don’t get it………

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by LaserVortex888 on Aug 18, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would also like to mention

that they are only 3.5 games back this season in what is always a wide open AL central race, waiting for a team to break away for a couple of years.

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by LaserVortex888 on Aug 18, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Tigers have a reputation for going overslot for players, and in fact did so to get Tyler Gibson to skip college. But due to signing Victor Martinez and Joaquin Benoit they drafted so low there was no way they could match teams who actually had first rounders to sign.

by Kurt Mensching on Aug 18, 2011 2:37 PM EDT reply actions  

But without first-rounders, they could have spent later in the draft

They could’ve drafted guys that dropped into later rounds, like, say, Dillon Maples.

The value of investments through the draft is so strong that spending less than $3 million is silly, because there are few more efficient ways to spend one’s money.

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by Satchel Price on Aug 18, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

high ceiling late round picks

who are probably higher round talents who fall because of various reasons are a big time way teams spend money on draft prospects. There really are no excuses as Satchel pointed out.

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by LaserVortex888 on Aug 18, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Same thing with the White Sox & Adam Dunn

Without a first round pick, you’re bound to spend less, even with drafting guys who you’re going to have to pay over slot. It’s not like the Sox didn’t sign the guys they did draft. If you want to complain about their strategy, the time to complain would have been when they signed Adam Dunn and lost their picks.

by Grinder in Training on Aug 18, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not when you're talking about spending $2.7M

Many teams spent more than that on one propaect. With their resources, they easily could’ve pursued players with high demands like the Cubs did. Even if you exclude Javier Baez, the Cubs still far outspent the Sox.

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by Satchel Price on Aug 18, 2011 7:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Not having a 1st round pick is tough, yes, but

a winning baseball team is a deep baseball team. To have a deep team, you must draft deep with high upside picks (which includes paying over slot). We’re not talking about spending 5 million and signing all of their picks. We’re talking about less than 3 million. Unacceptable.

Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for too many men on the field? ~Jim Bouton

by LaserVortex888 on Aug 18, 2011 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wish we could plot total amateur spending vs. total payroll for every team.

At the very least it’d be great to have draft spending vs. payroll.

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by J-Doug on Aug 18, 2011 3:36 PM EDT reply actions  

wild guess

but I predict little to no correlation. I’m expecting a random plot.

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by LaserVortex888 on Aug 18, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah...

You’ll have the low-budget Pirates spending big in the draft with the big-money Yankees, but you’ll also have the high-budget White Sox spending nothing on the draft like the low-money Marlins. Hmm..

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by Satchel Price on Aug 18, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Yankees are guilty, too.

At least over the past two seasons.

I don’t have last year’s numbers, but I believe their spending was just about in-line with the average class in 2010. This year, the average team spent around $7.2 MM … and the Yankees spent about $6.5 MM. While this is not nearly on the level of the inane practices of the White Sox (who appear to be trying to adhere to the Commissioner’s impractical slotting system), it is somewhat disconcerting … especially for a team that has been gradually stepping away from the IFA market, as well.

by Domenic- on Aug 18, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah, jeez, I meant Red Sox

I’ve actually been pretty underwhelmed generally with New York’s past few draft classes. They’ve got some huge hits in LA (Montero, Betances, Banuelos, G. Sanchez), but they’re not taking advantage of their resources in the draft, too.

The Yankees seem to have shied away from taking elite guys that drop due to asking price since the Gerrit Cole thing, which is kind of disappointing. They easily could have afforded to give Josh Bell around $5M, probably more. And he’s the kind of potential impact bat that their farm system could use.

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by Satchel Price on Aug 18, 2011 4:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

agreed

im disappointed in the yanks spending (or lack thereof)

http://riveraveblues.com/2011/08/did-the-2007-draft-and-gerrit-cole-scare-the-yankees-54591/

coincidence Satchel?

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by LaserVortex888 on Aug 18, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah I hadn't seen that

Funny that Mike wrote that today. I guess I’m not the only one wondering if the Yankees have stopped taking risks in the draft because a few didn’t work even though with patience the dividends could be massive.

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by Satchel Price on Aug 18, 2011 5:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Betances was a product of the 2006 amateur draft, having attended High School in Brooklyn (and I’m fairly certain he was born thereabouts, as well).

Indeed – the Red Sox do make some pretty big splashes. It’s very difficult watching them, the Blue Jays, and the Rays do their thing in the draft. Hell, even the Orioles went big this year.

Their best prospects were products of the IFA market … but they’ve missed out on some of the bigger names recently (Chapman, Hechaverria, Martin) and they don’t seem terribly invested in this year’s class … from which the top four or five names are already gone.

It’s a bothersome trade.

by Domenic- on Aug 18, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah, my bad on Betances

Either way, the majority of top-level of their farm system comes from IFA’s. And that makes no sense.

I’m surprised they didn’t go harder after Hechavarria, Chapman and Martin, too.

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by Satchel Price on Aug 18, 2011 4:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

It's like the yankees forgot

that their late 90s dynasty was built through great drafts and some good signings/ trades

here is a shocking quote from Baseball America’s Conor Glassey
“By my count, they [Yankees] have 23 scouts. Blue Jays have 70. Red Sox have 71.”

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by LaserVortex888 on Aug 18, 2011 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not looking for a correlation

It would be a quick way of finding the outliers.

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by J-Doug on Aug 19, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

i made a quick graph...how do i post it?

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by LaserVortex888 on Aug 19, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

how do I add an image onto a fanpost/shot??????

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by LaserVortex888 on Aug 19, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

with no brackets

use the preview button to see if it’s working.

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by Justin Bopp on Aug 19, 2011 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

i got it thanks

i didnt know if you could upload a photo straight from your computer, which i found out you cant do on sb nation so i had to wait until lunchtime at work to upload to flickr first

my graph is posted so all is good

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by LaserVortex888 on Aug 19, 2011 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup, I'm pretty sure that BA is going to release a full list of draft spending soon

And then we can actually get on that.

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by Satchel Price on Aug 18, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Tigers usually go over slot.

In the last few drafts, they’ve picked up guys like Castellanos and Turner because they were willing to open their pockets. However, they shed a lot of payroll over the winter (nearly $30 million), and there have been rumors that they have a serious revenue problem. Maybe, for whatever reason, they simply don’t have the necessary finances right now to sign high-ceiling players.

As to the White Sox, Reinsdorf and Williams seem to be obsessed with adhering to slot. I can’t remember them going more than a few thousand over slot for any pick ever. They used to be risk-averse, drafting guys like Lance Broadway in the 1st round. Their most recent 1st round picks have been talented, but very signable (Beckham, Mitchell, Sale, and Walker). As a White Sox fan, this is incredibly frustrating, especially with the less than stellar results Beckham and (especially) Mitchell have had thus far. And after the supplemental round, it’s almost all college players. This year, 29 of their first 30 picks where from college. Other than Walker, it’s possible none of their draftees this year will make their top 20 prospect list, which is saying a lot considering how bad the farm system is. It’s like the front office just plain doesn’t care about the draft, like they think it’s a waste of time. Seeing the dividends investing in the draft has paid to teams like the Rays, Nationals, and Jays, I’ve become resentful of the White Sox front office for their careless and short-sighted strategy.

by marv3mania on Aug 18, 2011 10:18 PM EDT reply actions  

I will give the Tigers somewhat of a pass but

is signing Benoit to a 3 year deal worth $16.5m really a better investment than spending on the draft?

In addition, as I said multiple times above, no excuses for the White Sox.

Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for too many men on the field? ~Jim Bouton

by LaserVortex888 on Aug 18, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right, that's the larger point

It doesn’t matter about your revenue streams or any of that stuff, because within the whole picture of an MLB team’s budget, spending even $10 million on draft prospects will be an incredibly strong investment.

There’s simply no reason why an MLB team can’t find $10 million in its budget to sign drafted players.

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by Satchel Price on Aug 19, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are dead right.

At the very least, can they spend $4 or $5 million?
I guess not because 8 teams spent less than $4 million (2 teams barely over, check out my graph) and 12 teams spent less than $5 million (40% of the league).

Spending close to $18 million may not be the best investment (notice I didn’t say it was bad, I love what the Pirates did this summer), but I am very sure we can all agree that spending more money on someone like Evan Longoria Scott Linebrink than on their draft class is a terrible investment.

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by LaserVortex888 on Aug 19, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with all of this.

As a Sox fan, I am awfully worried about what our future looks like with the small amount of marginal prospects we have sitting around. We need to start drafting players that could potentially be part of our future and at least get controllable talent to play with. The Tigers don’t have that good of a farm because they trade every “prospect” they have for someone for a playoff run. They deplete their system every year to try and contend, even if they will win the division with 86 wins.

by dasox313 on Aug 19, 2011 12:22 AM EDT reply actions  

I mean, flags fly forever

Trading prospects is worth it if you make the playoffs; the additional revenue created from even a single playoff series will be enough to sign entirely new elite prospects through the draft.

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by Satchel Price on Aug 19, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

remember this comment Satchel because

If the Tigers make it into the playoffs this season, let’s hope on 8/19/2012 they are not even in the discussion for cheapest MLB team regarding their 2012 draft spending.

Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for too many men on the field? ~Jim Bouton

by LaserVortex888 on Aug 19, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

I mostly think that the predicament also comes from trading away any talent you have sitting around for what might minorly improve your roster.

by dasox313 on Aug 20, 2011 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Overslot guys

Small sample size, but it seems like the guys the Pirates went overslot for in 2009-2010 really haven’t panned out. These guys are very risky investments – yes, the ROI is still good, but it’s not a lock.

Especially in the Tigers’ case, by the time you get to round 3 or 4, the interesting overslot crop has been thinned quite a bit. I agree that they should still take some shots, but you’ve got to get a couple of interesting college guys in your system too.

by jfranco77 on Aug 19, 2011 9:23 AM EDT reply actions  

too soon to make any conclusions about 09-10

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by LaserVortex888 on Aug 19, 2011 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Way too soon. Like, crazy too soon.

And either way, the focus should be on the process here, not the results. One bad draft doesn’t mean that your process isn’t working; if they keep spending to sign highly-touted prospects, eventually they’ll end up with some really good, cheap MLB players.

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by Satchel Price on Aug 19, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

average time from draft day to MLB?

I think I read somewhere that the average is around 5 years or so [don’t quote me on it]. There is no possible way 1 or 2 years later we can make any conclusions.

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by LaserVortex888 on Aug 19, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean, it depends on the prospect

College guys move faster than high school guys, catchers often take longer to develop offensively, and in general different teams just have different philosophies for promoting players up the ladder.

Generally, college guys will make it in 2-3 years and high school guys in 4-5. At least, that’s the rule of thumb that I tend to follow.

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by Satchel Price on Aug 19, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Makes sense

Regardless, we can’t say a team had a good/bad draft haul for quite a few years.

Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for too many men on the field? ~Jim Bouton

by LaserVortex888 on Aug 19, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's fair

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by LaserVortex888 on Aug 19, 2011 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Development is just as important

The Blue Jays stocked their GCL and short season teams with extra coaches to pay more attention to the development of their young players. The results have been fantastic, look at the success of their 2009 and 2010 high school classes(Hutchison, Marisnick, Nicolino, Taylor, Jaye, Syndergaard, Sanchez, Hawkins)

Or what the Rays organization has been doing for years.

I also don’t get why prep signees are rushed into full season ball, why not provide them with as much coaching as possible in extended spring training? Obviously some guys are good enough to handle it but most aren’t.

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