The Hollow OBP
Ever heard of the hollow batting average? I'm guessing that most of you have. Basically, it's just a baseball phrase, used to describe offensive players that don't provide anything else but a good batting average. That .305 batting average may look all shiny and purrty, but inside it's dark and hollow; there's just nothing else there. Maybe we could just call them cold-hearted batting averages.
But moving on, I wanted to consider the possibility of the hollow OBP. You see, OBP is basically the Holy Grail of offense in baseball. With outs at such a massive premium (you know, you only got 27), the ability to complete a plate appearance without making an out is practically the ultimate goal of being a hitter. I mean, obviously the ultimate goal is to score runs, but on a hitter-to-hitter basis, these guys are generally just trying to avoid outs.
So the simple assumption would be that having that skill, that ability to get on-base with frequency, would allow almost any player to provide value, right? Even guys that don't hit for power, don't fill up on empty-calorie singles, and don't have the alternative value that comes from being a shortstop or a catcher, they're still producing simply by getting on base, right?
I thought I'd investigate this a little bit. Of the 255 players that have accumulated 200+ plate appearances in the majors so far this year, how many of them retain the ability to get on base as their only discernible source of value? How many guys are providing their value through the hollow OBP?
Taking a look, I found nine players that are thriving this year in one category alone, OBP: Daric Barton, Juan Pierre, Jack Cust, Kosuke Fukudome, J.D. Drew, Ben Francisco, Josh Thole, Nate McLouth and Bobby Abreu. These nine players have combined to post an above-average .347 OBP across 2697 plate appearances this season; the current MLB average for this season sits at .319. So these guys are well above-average when it comes to getting on base.
But in terms of WAR, these nine players have combined to produce just 0.9 WAR this season, a reflection of their failure to provide value in practically any other facets of the game. On defense, the nine players are a combined 31 runs below average on the season. Their power-hitting numbers are arguably even worse; all nine players have combined for just 25 total home runs and a brutal .086 isolated power, way down from the league average of .139.
These days, the ability to get on base is often thought of as one of the most important skills for any player to have. There are hundreds of players that have stuck around the game for a very long time without being able to do much else other than defend their position and get on base every day. But as we can see here, one can't simply depend on good OBP skills in order to be a contributing player. Even someone who's still providing an elite OBP like Abreu is struggling to be even an average player, because he provides so little else in terms of power, base-running and defense.
So next time you hear Cubs fan try to claim that Kosuke Fukudome has actually been pretty good for the Cubs (he's got a .372 OBP!!), follow up by asking them what else he's done lately? They won't be able to think of anything, and it'll make them sad.
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He's definitely one guy.
Although in his prime, Johnson had plus power and was regarded as an above-average first baseman. But the 2009 version of Johnson, for sure.
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by Satchel Price on Jul 20, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Why does everyone have to pick on the Cubs
Sad face.
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I'll write something nice about them soon, I swear.
Like when they fire Hendry. I don’t know, I just think it’s kind of ridiculous how poorly they’re ran sometimes.
I just want them to be a developmental powerhouse so bad.
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by Satchel Price on Jul 20, 2011 2:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Believe me, I agree
It depresses the hell out of me that my favorite team is run in such contrast to the things I know/believe about baseball. Just feels like people take jabs at the Cubs/by proxy me, and it seems like kicking a guy while he’s down. The Cubs are bad, have been bad for 95% of the past century, and there’s no real end in sight.
Are Cubs fans buttholes? Seriously asking.
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by jackweiland on Jul 22, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I mean ...
For a team in such a big market making so much cash to be so pitifully terrible … ugh.
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by jackweiland on Jul 22, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
For me, a "hollow OBP" wouldn't relate to defense.
It would be someone who has an OBP above a certain threshold (say, .340) but still has below average value as a hitter (and maybe baserunner) via wOBA. Maybe that doesn’t quite exist.
Kila's slash for Apr 20 to May 4, 2011, right before he was sent down: .276 / .344 / .448
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jul 20, 2011 3:19 PM EDT reply actions
This
When people talk about a player with a hollow average, they’re referring to their offensive ability. It’s a response to the idea that anyone who hits for high average is a good hitter, and the constant references to that in the media.
by yellomellojello on Jul 20, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I know, but I just noticed a pattern that hollow OBP players tend to be "offensive" players
Or players that primarily derive their value from offense, which basically consists of OBP value.
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by Satchel Price on Jul 20, 2011 8:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Once again
Sachel Price shows he’s not afraid to take on sacred cows in the saber community. Funny thing: people who watch a lot of baseball have been saying these players haven’t been as good as the saber community has claimed for years, and for years they have been derided as too old school.
Maybe Johan Lehrer had it right all along?
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Wow, the unfair generalizations are just flying here
OBP is not a sacred cow in the saber community. No serious analyst worth his salt would hang their hat on one metric. So thanks for the strawman.
Also, Satchel is talking about how this year these players are posting hollow OBP. Not every player on this list has been universally lauded by saberists (not like there’s a place we all go to vote on this stuff, anyway) and not every year.
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Flaw in the analysis
Look, no one ever proclaimed that OBP was the be all, end all.
Runs are a two step process — getting on base, and moving the runner over. It’s a two step process, and if you can’t finish step 2, runs arent going to score. Pairing “empty OBP” with good power guys solves the problem for the team, while no one disputes guys with good OBP and ISO are good.
Look, the first component is measured by OBP, rep’d by H+BB. The second, by the ability to move the runner over, or the difference between SLG and AVG (compare a team of .333 hitters with 0 power to a team of .250 hitters who hit entirely doubles).
So, that these players INDIVIDUALLY are not valuable do not mean that they do not fill an important role when used right.
Further, I dont think defense is relevant here. Barton and Abreu are on different planes. Selection bias?
by Jeffrey Eric Gross on Jul 20, 2011 7:18 PM EDT reply actions
Never said it was.
I was merely wondering if a hollow OBP player could offer value. And I think you’re exaggerating the effect of placing hollow OBP hitters in front of low-OBP sluggers. You don’t want a bunch of one-dimensional guys.
I’m merely saying that OBP is generally viewed as a core statistic these days, but even guys with very good OBP marks can still be generally ineffective all-around players.
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by Satchel Price on Jul 20, 2011 8:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well
I’d agree that OBP alone is irrelevant, because its missing the other core, but i wouldnt call it overrated. I’d attribute what you call overrated to a misuse and misinterpretation of SABR research by the media, who tries to oversimply.
What is true is that OBP and ISO/SLG are the two primary steps/components of runs scoring, and that OBP is 50% more important than slugging (probably because of the scarcity of outs), which is to say that getting on base is more two-thirds the game of scoring runs.
Media reads that and says OBP IS THE QUINESSENTIAL JESUS OF BASEBALL. It’s largely done by people who have not read Moneyball, The Book, etc., but have heard about them…
Moneyball hate particularly bothers me because the book was about exploiting market inefficiencies in the run-scoring model, but everyone takes it as OBP IS GOD
by Jeffrey Eric Gross on Jul 20, 2011 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Where in the lineup
Do any of these (NL) players hit in the 8 spot? Maybe that"s inflating their OBP?
Not sure, just wondering aloud.
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