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News Flash: Matt Wieters Is A Great Catcher

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This is something that's been on my mind the past couple weeks, and the May edition of Matt's Catcher Defense Rankings has forced me to harp on the idea. When Orioles catcher Matt Wieters arrived in the majors a couple years ago, people expected stardom from practically the beginning. Wieters seemingly had it all: elite scouting reports, dominant minor league numbers, an exceptional pedigree and statistical projections that affirmed Wieters' status as a truly special young player.

And yet, one couldn't qualify Wieters' first couple years in the majors as anything but disappointing. Over the course of the 2009 and 2010 seasons, Wieters batted just .266/.328/.393. Guys like Yadier Molina and Yorvit Torrealba had put up stronger offensive numbers than that. So people were understandably disappointed that someone who had once been described as a "Joe Mauer-like player with more power potential" was posting below-average offensive numbers.

But you know what? People shouldn't be disappointed with Wieters. Not in the least. Sure, the Orioles probably don't have a once-in-a-generation franchise player on their hands. But they still might, and even if they don't, Wieters is still proving to be one of the best catchers in baseball. People continue to point to Wieters' underwhelming offensive numbers as an indication that he's failing to live up to the hype, but combined with some truly impressive work behind the plate, the 2007 first-round pick is performing like one of the best backstops in the game.

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Yeah, it's easy to look at the catcher's ugly .232 batting average and assume that he's still not making major strides as a hitter in his third MLB season. But his walk rate is up to 10.2% from 9.4% last season, and hitting the ball on the ground less often has enabled Wieters to hit for significantly more power than he did in his first two seasons with the O's. ZiPS actually projects Wieters to improve from here given that his BABIP is pretty low at .257 so far this season; the major bump in his BABIP pushes his rest-of-the-season projection to .267/.338/.412, which is more than solid for a catcher.

And while most of the praise laid upon Wieters as he entered the majors was focused on how unique his offensive prowess was for a catcher, it's the catcher's defensive work that's proving to be his strongest asset so far in his career. In Mr. Klaasen's rankings, which were posted on BtB earlier yesterday, Wieters currently comes up as the best defensive catcher in baseball. UZR does a less sophisticated version of catcher defense evaluation for FanGraphs, and he comes up at +2 so far through that method, compared to +5.7 through Matt's method.

Whether you consider Wieters to be an above-average defender behind the plate, like UZR suggests, or an elite defender behind the plate, like Matt's rankings suggest, Wieters comes out looking like a star-level player. If he maintains his current performance (using UZR's +2 evaluation of his defense) and meets his ZiPS playing time projection, he'll accumulate roughly 4.8 WAR this season. And that's assuming that UZR's evaluation of his defense is more accurate than Matt's, and he won't improve like ZiPS projects from him. If you use his improved, in-season ZiPS projected line and the average of the defensive evaluations from UZR and Matt, he'll be on pace to accumulate nearly 6.0 WAR this season.

So yeah, I suppose there are still some reasons to feel like Wieters is a disappointment. But most of those reasons are related to the hyperbole that surrounded his reputation as he entered the league, because expecting Wieters to immediately become the next Johnny Bench was never a reasonable expectation. He may not be Joe Mauer with more power, no. But he's an excellent defensive catcher with some nice pop that gets on base at a solid clip. And given the state of the catcher position in the majors today, that makes Wieters one of the better players in the game.

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I see your point but there are some problems with your details

I looked at Matt’s analysis and his stats are all measured in RUNS, not wins. I think the same is true for UZR (don’t have time to check).

Besides which, Matt’s analysis is comparative to average, not replacement, player, so that would then bump up his numbers by whatever the value of a replacement value catcher is, in order to come up with WAR.

Lastly, these are just for a little over one month of games, these would need to be extrapolated to a full season to get his true defensive run value.

But given all that, this is still pretty good for a catcher, we are just under one fourth through the season, that would mean he is roughly 20-25 runs above average, which is very good, assuming he continues this rate the rest of the season, which is the point of your post, that he is very good defensively, though not as good as the 6 WAR you wrote about.

Did Matt do this analysis for the 2010 season? That would be interesting to see how Weiters did last season.

Funny how things work out, Weiters was suppose to be offense first and defense second, whereas Posey defense first and offense second, relative to each other, but one could say their positions are reversed, though Posey is still pretty good defensively (he gunned down somebody in yesterday’s game despite his pitcher not helping him out) and his offense isn’t proven yet, he has a little less than one year worth of performance so far.

Perhaps Weiters has focused on his defense to the detriment of his hitting? I think that might have been valid early on, but after two full seasons, hard to say that as much now, he has got to know that his offense has been a disappointment and he should hopefully been working on that last season, unless for some reason the Orioles told him to focus mainly on the defense and let the offense be what it is.

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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on May 11, 2011 5:29 PM EDT reply actions  

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I never said that Wieters’ defensive marks were in wins above replacement, because they aren’t

In order to find the 4.8 WAR figure, I extrapolated his current WAR mark over the 574 PA’s projected by ZiPS. That current WAR mark factors in the +2 UZR mark, which was also extrapolated to find that 4.8 WAR figure. The 6.0 WAR figure comes from adjusting his defensive RAA from the +2 that he currently has to +3.85, which is the average of UZR and Matt’s evaluations. Those defensive numbers were then extrapolated along with Wieters’ ROS ZiPS projection, which brought up the +6 figure. I’m not sure why you believe that I was claiming that UZR or Matt’s evaluations are in wins.

And while I’m aware that Matt’s +5.7 figure for Wieters’ defense is likely too high because of the small sample size we’re working with, Wieters is clearly an above-average catcher if you’ve ever watched him, and that’s why I opted to average it along with UZR’s less bullish +2 mark.

And when applying UZR or another defensive metric to WAR, the replacement portion of defense is already being applied, so there’s no need to adjust the UZR from runs above average to runs above replacement.

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by Satchel Price on May 11, 2011 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, misread what you did in your post

And thank you for the clarification about UZR and replacement level.

However, from my reading of Matt’s methodology, it looked like his numbers are based just on the player’s improvement above average, could you please confirm that his work is based on replacement value being incorporated into the final number.

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"Let's get back to work and make another run at it" Posey

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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on May 12, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure exactly what you guys are arguing about,

but as for the metric, it’s based on linear weights runs saved/lost above/below this season’s average.

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by Matt Klaassen on May 12, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry for confusion

I wanted to comment on what I saw, but then my thought went tangentially to the contrasting prospect images of Wieters and Posey and how his performance thus far in the majors is the opposite of the impression that scouts had when Wieters was drafted, I thought that would be interesting to discuss as well, since it might have some relationship with his current situation. Mike Schmidt, for example, when he came up, his glove wasn’t considered good and he worked hard and eventually won the Gold Glove. I was speculating whether Wieters might have been too focused on defense, and thus his offense suffered. And I was hoping someone who was following the Orioles might be able to comment on that speculation, he screwed up two of my fantasy teams with his lack of offense.

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Q: "This doesn't happen every year." Posey: "Why not?"
"Do it again Baby!" Huff
"Let's get back to work and make another run at it" Posey

2010's will be known as "Decade of the Giants"

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on May 12, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

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