Beyond the Box Score 2011 Catcher Defense Ratings: May Edition
And now... the moment you've all been waiting for... the first installment of the Beyond the Box Score Catcher defense ratings of the 2011 season! What, you haven't been waiting for them? What, you aren't interested a catcher defense metric that doesn't give extra credit for a guy hitting like a pitcher or interrupting a generic interview to defend a helpless youngster? Well, too bad.
These rankings are expressed in runs above and below average based on comparing each players fielding errors (FERns), throwing errors (TERns), passed balls and wild pitches (PBWPRns), and of course, caught stealing (CSRuns), and converting them to their linear weight values. For more specifics on the methodology, click here. As I've written before, I don't make any great claims to originality with this, other people have done it before in similar ways, I've simply added my own tweaks. However, I was encouraged to do them again this season, and will try to update them monthly. Keep in mind that this is over a short sample (we have to start sometime!), that I don't claim that this is anything like great or comprehensive (it is quick and dirty), and, of course, that there is a difference between observed performance and "true talent," particularly over a small sample size. Without any further ado, let's take a look at some leaders and trailers.
This is raw runs above/below average, not a rate stat. The stats are through Sunday's games.
Overall leaders: Matt Wieters may not be setting the world on fire with his bat (although he's above average in this run environment, very good for a catcher), he's been exclennent defensively, which is, of course, mostly ignored, since a guy has to be old and an awful hitter before his defense is praised. He's currently the overall leader at +5.7 runs. In what is likely an illustration of the small sample issue, Kelly Shoppach is in second with +2.7 runs, although I think he's better than his reputation. Old Man Ramon Hernandez, Buster Posey (if only he could hit, too!), and Kurt Suzuki round out the top five. For those wondering, perennial defensive great Yadier Molina is at -1 so far; I expect taht will change as the season continues.
Overall Trailers: Josh Thole has been as bad behind the plate as he has beside it so far this season, the worst so far at -4.4 runs. Hopefully the Mets will stick with him. Miguel Olivo (-3.6) is another Mariners failure so far, didn't they laern anything the first time they had him? Miguel Montero is at -2.9 runs, but with the way he's been hitting, the Diamondbacks can live with it. America's favorite son A.J. Pierzynski (-2.9) and Toronto's J.P. Arencibia (-2.5) are the fourth- and fifth-from-the-bottom, respectively.
Caught Stealing Leaders and Trailers: As you might expect, this is the main difference between catchers at this point, with Wieters (his arm is Deadly Accurate!) and Hernandez leading the way so far. Matt Treanor (TREANOR!!) totally justifies his existence by coming in third so far at +1.8 runs. Thole and Pierzynski are on bottom, with the Reds' Ryan Hanigan being third-worst.
Passed Balls and Wild PItches Leaders and Trailers: Wieters leads the way here as well at +2.2 runs, followed by Shoppach and Geovany Soto at +1.5 apiece. As for the trailers, this is where Yadier Molina has had some trouble so far at -1.9 runs, which is also Josh Thole's number. But our trailer is fittingly... wait for it... Miguel Olivo, who has returned to being to being Miguel Olivo (-2.0).
The overall rankings and values are in the table below. Take your grain of salt and enjoy, or don't and be infuriated! Until next time...
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Rank |
Player |
PA |
Tm |
FERns |
TERns |
PBWPRns |
CSRuns |
Total |
|
1 |
Matt Wieters |
1090 |
BAL |
0.3 |
0.7 |
2.2 |
2.6 |
5.7 |
|
2 |
Kelly Shoppach |
547 |
TBR |
0.1 |
-0.1 |
1.5 |
1.2 |
2.7 |
|
3 |
Ramon Hernandez |
613 |
CIN |
0.1 |
0.4 |
-0.3 |
2.1 |
2.4 |
|
4 |
Buster Posey |
1016 |
SFG |
-0.5 |
0.1 |
0.9 |
1.7 |
2.2 |
|
5 |
Kurt Suzuki |
1051 |
OAK |
0.2 |
0.7 |
-0.2 |
1.4 |
2.2 |
|
6 |
Drew Butera |
647 |
MIN |
0.2 |
-0.6 |
1.2 |
1.3 |
2.1 |
|
7 |
Geovany Soto |
1143 |
CHC |
-0.5 |
0.2 |
1.5 |
0.5 |
1.7 |
|
8 |
Carlos Santana |
903 |
CLE |
0.2 |
0.6 |
1.4 |
-0.8 |
1.4 |
|
9 |
Wilson Ramos |
700 |
WSN |
0.2 |
-0.5 |
0.8 |
0.9 |
1.4 |
|
10 |
Ronny Paulino |
170 |
NYM |
0.0 |
0.1 |
-0.1 |
1.3 |
1.4 |
|
11 |
Matt Treanor |
748 |
KCR |
0.2 |
-0.5 |
-0.2 |
1.8 |
1.3 |
|
12 |
Rod Barajas |
988 |
LAD |
0.2 |
0.1 |
1.3 |
-0.5 |
1.2 |
|
13 |
Gerald Laird |
313 |
STL |
0.1 |
0.2 |
0.0 |
0.7 |
1.0 |
|
14 |
Brayan Pena |
596 |
KCR |
0.1 |
-0.1 |
1.1 |
-0.1 |
1.0 |
|
15 |
John Buck |
1083 |
FLA |
0.3 |
-0.3 |
1.0 |
0.0 |
1.0 |
|
16 |
David Ross |
217 |
ATL |
0.1 |
0.1 |
0.0 |
0.7 |
0.9 |
|
17 |
Lou Marson |
351 |
CLE |
0.1 |
0.2 |
1.0 |
-0.4 |
0.9 |
|
18 |
Jose Molina |
447 |
TOR |
0.1 |
0.3 |
0.1 |
0.4 |
0.9 |
|
19 |
Nick Hundley |
916 |
SDP |
0.2 |
-0.4 |
0.9 |
0.2 |
0.8 |
|
20 |
Yorvit Torrealba |
998 |
TEX |
0.2 |
0.1 |
0.0 |
0.5 |
0.8 |
|
21 |
Gustavo Molina |
78 |
NYY |
0.0 |
0.0 |
0.2 |
0.3 |
0.6 |
|
22 |
Henry Blanco |
173 |
ARI |
0.0 |
0.1 |
-0.1 |
0.5 |
0.6 |
|
23 |
Wil Nieves |
351 |
MIL |
-0.7 |
0.2 |
0.4 |
0.5 |
0.5 |
|
24 |
Chris Iannetta |
958 |
COL |
0.2 |
0.6 |
-1.3 |
0.9 |
0.5 |
|
25 |
Landon Powell |
260 |
OAK |
0.1 |
0.2 |
-0.1 |
0.3 |
0.4 |
|
26 |
Brian Schneider |
447 |
PHI |
0.1 |
-0.2 |
0.7 |
-0.2 |
0.4 |
|
27 |
George Kottaras |
267 |
MIL |
0.1 |
0.2 |
-0.1 |
0.2 |
0.4 |
|
28 |
Ivan Rodriguez |
586 |
WSN |
-0.6 |
0.4 |
-0.3 |
0.9 |
0.3 |
|
29 |
Brett Hayes |
161 |
FLA |
0.0 |
0.1 |
-0.1 |
0.2 |
0.2 |
|
30 |
Taylor Teagarden |
52 |
TEX |
0.0 |
0.0 |
0.1 |
0.0 |
0.2 |
|
31 |
Dane Sardinha |
115 |
PHI |
0.0 |
0.1 |
0.0 |
0.1 |
0.2 |
|
32 |
Hank Conger |
604 |
LAA |
0.1 |
-0.1 |
0.0 |
0.1 |
0.1 |
|
33 |
Eli Whiteside |
246 |
SFG |
0.1 |
0.2 |
0.1 |
-0.2 |
0.1 |
|
34 |
Victor Martinez |
239 |
DET |
0.1 |
0.1 |
-0.2 |
0.1 |
0.1 |
|
35 |
Carlos Ruiz |
676 |
PHI |
0.2 |
-0.1 |
1.0 |
-1.1 |
0.1 |
|
36 |
Jose Morales |
263 |
COL |
0.1 |
0.2 |
-0.1 |
-0.1 |
0.0 |
|
37 |
Jason Jaramillo |
143 |
PIT |
0.0 |
0.1 |
-0.4 |
0.3 |
0.0 |
|
38 |
Kyle Phillips |
38 |
SDP |
0.0 |
0.0 |
0.1 |
-0.1 |
0.0 |
|
39 |
Adam Moore |
67 |
SEA |
0.0 |
0.0 |
0.2 |
-0.3 |
0.0 |
|
40 |
Chris Snyder |
561 |
PIT |
0.1 |
0.3 |
-0.4 |
-0.1 |
-0.1 |
|
41 |
J.R. Towles |
457 |
HOU |
0.1 |
-0.2 |
1.0 |
-1.0 |
-0.1 |
|
42 |
Bobby Wilson |
94 |
LAA |
0.0 |
0.1 |
0.0 |
-0.1 |
-0.1 |
|
43 |
Koyie Hill |
137 |
CHC |
0.0 |
-0.4 |
0.4 |
-0.1 |
-0.1 |
|
44 |
Mike Nickeas |
257 |
NYM |
0.1 |
0.2 |
-0.1 |
-0.2 |
-0.1 |
|
45 |
Chris Gimenez |
240 |
SEA |
0.1 |
0.1 |
-0.5 |
0.1 |
-0.1 |
|
46 |
Rene Rivera |
38 |
MIN |
0.0 |
0.0 |
0.1 |
-0.3 |
-0.2 |
|
47 |
Alex Avila |
1045 |
DET |
-0.5 |
0.6 |
-0.7 |
0.4 |
-0.2 |
|
48 |
Jason Varitek |
527 |
BOS |
0.1 |
0.3 |
0.1 |
-0.8 |
-0.3 |
|
49 |
Hector Gimenez |
45 |
LAD |
0.0 |
0.0 |
-0.2 |
-0.1 |
-0.3 |
|
50 |
Ramon Castro |
307 |
CHW |
0.1 |
0.2 |
0.3 |
-0.8 |
-0.3 |
|
51 |
J. C. Boscan |
4 |
ATL |
0.0 |
0.0 |
-0.3 |
0.0 |
-0.3 |
|
52 |
Humberto Quintero |
857 |
HOU |
-0.6 |
-0.4 |
1.0 |
-0.3 |
-0.3 |
|
53 |
Francisco Cervelli |
114 |
NYY |
0.0 |
0.1 |
0.0 |
-0.5 |
-0.3 |
|
54 |
Omir Santos |
34 |
DET |
0.0 |
0.0 |
-0.5 |
0.0 |
-0.4 |
|
55 |
Ryan Hanigan |
689 |
CIN |
0.2 |
-0.1 |
1.1 |
-1.7 |
-0.5 |
|
56 |
Steve Holm |
198 |
MIN |
0.0 |
0.1 |
0.0 |
-0.7 |
-0.6 |
|
57 |
Mike Napoli |
263 |
TEX |
0.1 |
0.2 |
-0.4 |
-0.4 |
-0.6 |
|
58 |
Rob Johnson |
354 |
SDP |
-0.7 |
0.2 |
-0.1 |
-0.2 |
-0.8 |
|
59 |
A.J. Ellis |
165 |
LAD |
0.0 |
0.1 |
-0.9 |
0.0 |
-0.8 |
|
60 |
Joe Mauer |
330 |
MIN |
0.1 |
0.2 |
-0.5 |
-0.7 |
-0.9 |
|
61 |
Brian McCann |
1092 |
ATL |
-0.5 |
0.2 |
-1.2 |
0.5 |
-0.9 |
|
62 |
Yadier Molina |
1033 |
STL |
0.2 |
-0.8 |
-1.9 |
1.5 |
-1.0 |
|
63 |
Jake Fox |
171 |
BAL |
0.0 |
0.1 |
-0.6 |
-0.6 |
-1.1 |
|
64 |
Ryan Doumit |
585 |
PIT |
0.1 |
-0.6 |
-0.1 |
-0.6 |
-1.1 |
|
65 |
Russell Martin |
1024 |
NYY |
0.2 |
-0.8 |
-0.2 |
-0.3 |
-1.1 |
|
66 |
Dioner Navarro |
141 |
LAD |
-0.7 |
-0.4 |
-0.2 |
-0.1 |
-1.4 |
|
67 |
Jarrod Saltalamacchia |
759 |
BOS |
0.2 |
0.0 |
-0.4 |
-1.2 |
-1.4 |
|
68 |
Jeff Mathis |
668 |
LAA |
0.2 |
-0.1 |
-0.9 |
-1.0 |
-1.9 |
|
69 |
Jonathan Lucroy |
653 |
MIL |
-0.6 |
0.4 |
-0.2 |
-1.5 |
-1.9 |
|
70 |
John Jaso |
709 |
TBR |
0.2 |
0.0 |
-1.4 |
-1.1 |
-2.4 |
|
71 |
J. P. Arencibia |
843 |
TOR |
0.2 |
-0.4 |
-1.6 |
-0.7 |
-2.5 |
|
72 |
A.J. Pierzynski |
1035 |
CHW |
0.2 |
0.2 |
-1.3 |
-1.8 |
-2.7 |
|
73 |
Miguel Montero |
1114 |
ARI |
-0.5 |
-2.2 |
0.3 |
-0.5 |
-2.9 |
|
74 |
Miguel Olivo |
985 |
SEA |
-0.5 |
-0.3 |
-2.0 |
-0.7 |
-3.6 |
|
75 |
Josh Thole |
925 |
NYM |
0.2 |
-0.4 |
-1.9 |
-2.4 |
-4.4 |
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Brian McCann
Bad at defense? Who woulda thought?
Can you please publish on mainstream media
so everybody can see how crappy Mathis actually is!
Bring on the OREO Line!
by angelskid2210 on May 10, 2011 12:06 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I really hope...
Napoli ends the year with better defensive numbers than Mathis. That would be so funny. Not that it would change the minds of the Angels, and not that it really matters. Hank Conger is going to save them from Mathis.
Well it is funny now that Conger has better numbers
yet MAthis is the defensive catcher of the two. So I have no idea anymore what the Angels FO thinks.
Bring on the OREO Line!
by angelskid2210 on May 10, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
tough on thole
considering he catches a knuckleballer
by firejerrymanuel on May 10, 2011 12:16 PM EDT reply actions
yeah, that's the .ajor limitation of this way of doing it
And why a WOWY system is better, although much more difficult to implement
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by Matt Klaassen on May 10, 2011 12:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You're missing columns
Particularly the “handling pitchers” column and the “game calling” column. I can’t take this seriously without them.
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by Chris St. John on May 10, 2011 12:28 PM EDT reply actions
Re
Many catchers don’t call games anymore, the coaches give them signs from the dugout…
Also, what exactly is handling pitchers? In all seriousness. Is that like boosting their morale?
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Also, what exactly is handling pitchers? In all seriousness. Is that like boosting their morale?
Calming them down. Bucking them up. Telling them to hold the ball like an egg.
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by Scott McKinney on May 10, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I seriously wonder how much "handling pitchers" is mythology with little relation to reality
I don’t know. It kind of seems like all we can do is guess at it.
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by Scott McKinney on May 10, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't forget...
Framing pitches. If you haven’t read some research stuff on framing pitches, you’re missing out. It’s really interesting stuff, and arguably more important than a lot of other categories.
Framing would be an excellent addition, but I have no idea how you could quantify it
You would need field f/x data on the position of the catcher’s glove and cross reference it with pitch f/x data… a LOT of work even if the information was available.
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Or...
Do called strike % of catcher X vs the called strike % of the rest of the catchers on the team. Maybe on fastballs only? Maybe cutting out the center of the strike zone?
Just a thought.
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is there an easy way to build heat maps of strikezone calls for particular pitchers, catchers, and teams?
I’ve been thinking it’s been worth looking into. It’d be good to cross-reference different catchers and different teams to see if catchers have different skill at framing, or if there’s just a slight bias with relation to teams.
Pirates homerism alert; I’m interested in this partly because of the study someone did that showed that Ryan Doumit’s framing was costing an absurd number of runs, and partly because anecdotally it’s seemed that the Pirates have been getting squeezed by the umps this year. (Check this typical Mike Crotta strikezone plot for instance. And I didn’t even know Crotta had been squeezed last night when I checked his graph; I just knew that he’d pitched with poor results.) I’d like to know whether Doumit has a problem, or the Pirates have a problem, or what.
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by WHYG Zane Smith on May 11, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Joking
Hope that got through. Anyways, I was watching a game where the announcer was talking about how it was much easier to pitch when you are on the same page as the catcher. I was thinking it would be possible to look at pace versus who the catcher was and see if there is anything to that.
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by Chris St. John on May 10, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Imagine if they're not only not on the same page,
BUT THEY’RE READING TWO DIFFERENT BOOKS!
Oh, we’re playing catch and not reading novels, reading the instructions to a riveting game of RISK, or perusing the pages of US Weekly? Consider me bored.
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Clicked on the link to the methodology and didn’t get my question answered there so thought I’d ask here. For the caught stealing rankings, does it take into consideration who the pitcher is and how long they take to pitch the ball? Thanks!
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I've done this exact study that Matt did (ripped off his idea) so I can answer:
It does not. This is quick-and-dirty data-extraction from B-Ref.com.
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It would be better to do a WOWY, of course, but it’s more difficult, time-consuming, and in-season doesn’t really “work.”
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by Matt Klaassen on May 10, 2011 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Jeff Zimmerman on May 10, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Love that Brayan is all of .3 runs worse than Treanor
Thats almost 2 runs over the course of a season
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I mean, this metric doesn’t even include catcher ERA. Everybody knows that the pitcher’s results are the ONLY way to adequately determine a catcher’s defensive value. Just ask Mike Scioscia! He used to be a catcher, ya know. And where’s the inclusion of heart, hustle, grittiness, and general Eckstein-ness? Come back when you figure out how measure catcher defense in terms how similar the catcher is to David Eckstein.
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by averagegatsby on May 10, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
So can we stop voting for Yadier fucking Molina to start the all-star game every year now? Kthx.
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by KoKo the Monkey (T-Bone) on May 10, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
11 runs difference in defense between him and McCann
27 runs difference in offense. Like I said, can we be done with this stupidity?
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Would like verification
It looks like from the methodology that the Caught Stealing stats do not deal with the issue of what the value of a great catcher resulting in reduced steal attempts is, do I have that right?
The implication then is that this is more a floor of the defensive value of the best catchers at catching runners stealing.
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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on May 11, 2011 7:15 PM EDT reply actions
Correct on the methodology
of course, in terms of value, a guy who is good enough to catch runners so often that the opposition can’t “break even” but doesn’t look good enough to scare them off arguably more valuable than a hypothetical catcher who is so obviously awesome that no one ever even tries…
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