The Definitive Sabermetric Guide to Managing

Earl Weaver got it. We need more Earl Weavers.
If more and more GMs are getting it, why aren't managers?
Over the last 30 years, there has been a revolution in baseball thought. Long held, traditional conceptions of player value, in-game tactics, roster construction and organization building which had grown into truisms of the game, and even worse things that "everybody knows," have been re-evaluated, tested, re-thought and in many cases debunked. Much of the old artifice of baseball theory has been torn down and replaced by a new architecture of ideas which have been widely tested, (informally) peer reviewed, re-tested and improved upon.
While these new ideas and the "question everything" philosophy behind them have not been internalized by all baseball fans, sports media, coaches and players, over the last 15 years, they have found a home in many MLB front offices. By most accounts, all major league front offices utilize statistical analysis to some degree. And it appears that many have been willing to change how they evaluate players, build their teams and run their organizations.
One of the key tenets of the new baseball thinking, which I will refer to as "sabermetrics" for the sake of ease, is that teams should try to find market inefficiencies and exploit them to gain an advantage over their opponents. But this concept has not yet trickled down to the managerial ranks in any significant way. I contend that there are significant advantages to be had by MLB teams by having their managers act more "sabermetrically". And I am quite curious as to why general managers have not pushed their managers in this direction. I would argue that they should. Here's how:
What could a sabermetric manager do?
1. Use optimized lineups. The standard lineup and the sabermetric optimized lineup can be summarized very generally here:
| Standard | Optimized | |
| 1 | Speedy guy who can hopefully get on base | One of the three best hitters (high OBP) |
| 2 | Good bat handler | One of the three best hitters |
| 3 | Best hitter | 5th best hitter |
| 4 | Best power hitter | One of the three best hittesr (high SLG) |
| 5 | Second best (contact) hitter | 4th best hitter |
| 6 | Best remaining power hitter | 6th best hitter |
| 7 | 7th best hitter | 7th best hitter |
| 8 | 8th best hitter | 8th best hitter (or pitcher if NL) |
| 9 | 9th best hitter | 9th best hitter (ith best hitter if NL) |
It is generally recognized that the optimized lineup over a full season would score five to fifteen runs more than the standard lineup. So we’re very roughly talking about one win. Now one win might not seem like a lot, but as Matt Klaassen’s excellent recent article pointed out, one win is often difference between a good player and a bad player. It can also mean the difference between making it to the playoffs or not. It’s worth about $5 million on the free agent market. In short, should major league teams be turning their back on a win?
But that’s exactly what every major league manager does. No MLB team uses an optimized lineup or anything close to it. Sure occasionally some manager will bat the pitcher 8th or use a slow, high-OBP player as the leadoff hitter. But other than these small tweaks, managers do their very best to fit their players into the traditional batting order profile. Why? Because that’s the way it’s always been done, and therefore it must work best that way. They are not interested in studies that show that it doesn’t work best that way. Everybody knows that’s the ways to construct a lineup.
2. (Mostly) stop trading outs for bases. At least once a week while watching a baseball game, I’ll hear an announcer repeat the old chestnut that a team without a great offense needs to utilize small ball to "manufacture runs," "make things happen," "get the runners in motion," or "diversify the offense." Often they are quoting the manager of one of these teams. Conventional wisdom holds that if a team doesn’t have a lot of good hitters they can’t just afford to wait for the 3-run homerun, so they need to steal more bases, sac bunt more, hit-and-run more, suicide squeeze more, etc. And it isn’t just the managers of anemic offenses. It is not uncommon for pretty much any manager to sacrifice often even in the early innings.
These various small ball strategies only serve to rob teams of runs. Yes, there are circumstances where any of these tactics makes sense. So I’m not suggesting that they be scrapped altogether. What would make sense is doing these things when it is likely to improve the team’s chance of winning. And far too often they are used in situations in which it actually does the opposite.
3. Better base stealing. For the most part this means fewer stolen base attempts. Last year, the team stolen base percentage of half of the major league teams was below the break even point. That means a lot of teams are giving up a lot of base runners and throwing away outs. But base stealing still has a place in the game. That place should be with good base stealers in good base stealing situations. There are a lot of variables to be considered by the manager including but not limited to the base stealing skill of the runner, the pitcher’s ability to hold a runner, the pitcher’s delivery, the catcher’s skill at throwing runners out and the game situation. But it is clear that far too many bad stolen base attempts are being made and managers are allowing it and even pushing it.
The good news is that sabermetric GM’s actually be making some headway in getting their managers to improve the base stealing of their teams. These are the seven teams with the best stolen base percentage in 2010:
I would argue that five of those teams have some of the most sabermetric front offices in MLB. So are those high stolen base percentages about general managers pushing their managers to use the green light more sparingly? Or have those teams just acquired more good base stealers? I don’t know for certain , but I have a strong feeling that there is a good deal of the former at work here. Regardless, there’s still a great deal of improvement which could be had by many teams.
4. Fewer intentional walks. If first base is open (in many different situations), major league managers love to give an intentional walk to set up a double play. The possibility of getting two outs with the next batter is a siren song which leads many managers to pilot their teams to the rocks. But this often isn’t a sound strategy. As Tango, Lichtman and Dolphin found in The Book,
If all batters have equal ability, intentionally walking a batter to set up a double play, force, or other situation is at best a break-even move (or insignficantly better than a break-even move). Doing so early in the game is counterproductive, since it increases the odds of a big inning more than it increases the odds of a scoreless inning.
Sure there are situations where the intentional walk makes sense. But few if any MLB managers limit themselves to such situations. Limiting intentional walks to those situations where it truly minimizes the run scoring chances of the opposition would be an easy fix.
5. Re-create the closer role. Since about 1990, closers have been limited primarily to 9th inning duty when his team is leading by three or fewer runs. Yes they occasionally get a four or five-out save or come in when the game is tied, but their role and usage is extremely limited. And this holds true of every MLB manager. Whether it was because of the creation and popularity of the Save statistic or not, closers have been put in a small box from which they rarely escape.
Of course this was not always the case. Back in the 1970’s and up to some point in the mid-to-late 1980’s, closers were often used in the highest leverage situations, whenever they came up. They were often referred to as "firemen" because they came into the game when their team really needed a rally to be stopped. Also, they were frequently used for multiple innings. This led to good closers often pitching a lot of innings.
As full time closers:
Rollie Fingers - 7 seasons over 100 ip and 5 over 110 ip
Dan Quisenberry - 5 seasons over 120 ip
Bruce Sutter - 5 seasons over 100 ip
One might think that the fact that closers don't pitch 100 innings anymore is mostly about closers being limited to one-inning saves. But they are also pitching fewer games. Look at the games pitched leaders for the 1970's and the first half of the 1980's. It is full of closers. You'll see names like Mike Marshall, Rollie Fingers, Dan Quisenberry, Willie Hernandez, Kent Tekulve and Mitch Williams. But by the 1990's and especially the 2000's, closers give way to setup men. You'll see names like Jesse Orosco, Steve Kline, Paul Quantrill, Matt Guerrier and Pedro Feliciano.
So closers have been reduced primarily to single inning work, and not in a great number of games. In short, a team's best reliever is having his contribution to his team severely limited. Wouldn’t it make the most sense to 1) use a team’s best reliever in the highest leverage situations, and 2) have them pitch for more innings, thus maximizing their utility to their team? This is not some impractical pipe dream which works on paper but wouldn’t work in the real world. It worked very well for many years until closers started to be treated like hot house flowers. The return of the multi-inning fireman is very much overdue.
6. Increased use of platoons. Managers don’t like platoons. They prefer to pick a player for a position and have him make it his own. And if he falters, they like to replace him with one player in the hopes that he will flourish there. That’s a lovely idea, but many teams have one or more positions manned by a poor player, with no good option to replace him. When this happens, platoons should be utilized much more than they are today. Managers shouldn’t hope that their sows ears magically transform into silk purses. They should make the most of what they have by using their poor players in the situations where they are their best
7. Improve decision making processes on who plays where and when.
a. Looking at stats in addition to tools, intangibles or reputation
b. Using the right stats
c. Not relying on small sample sizes
I should note here that the issue of who plays where (who starts, who is on the bench, etc.) is not strictly a managerial decision. General managers are usually involved in these decisions in varying degrees, not on a daily basis, but in more of a general sense. Managers are, however, key decision makers here.
It appears that in evaluating players, managers look more at skills, the historic reputation of a player and his leadership, competitiveness, etc. than his actual performance record. I base this both on their public statements and their actual choices. Gritty, veteran "leaders" who were once good but haven’t been for many years (like Jason Kendall) are made full-time starters over younger players without a reputation for leadership and an ancient history of success, but who have actually performed better in more recent seasons (like Brayan Pena).
And when they do talk about stats, they show that they’re using the wrong ones. Batting average, RBI and ERA are the stats most often quoted. While OBP and SLG are occasionally referenced, FIP and wOBA, and other advanced stats are almost never mentioned, except to perhaps deride the proliferation of silly acronyms and the basement dwellers who create and promulgate them.
And even when they do use stats, it often appears that they are using them incorrectly. Joe Girardi has shown a willingness to accumulate and make use of as much data as he can. He is well known for the large binder of stats he has in the dugout with him. But he has often said that he has made player usage decisions based on the tiny samples of matchup data he finds in that binder. In the ALCS last year, Girardi set up his rotation for the series so that Phil Hughes would make two starts in Arlington. Why? Because Hughes had performed well there over fifteen innings. In fairness to Girardi, he’s anything but unique in this regard. Often managers will say that they gave a certain player a start because he had been 7-for-15 against the opposing starting pitcher, or because a player always performed well against a given team. Using stats this way gives them a meaning that they don’t really have. A little data can be a very dangerous thing.
Managers need to be educated about stats and how and when to use them and they need to be influenced and maybe even pressured by their general managers to improve their evaluative and decision making processes.
Why don’t GM’s push their managers in these sabermetric directions?
As this is the titular question of this article, I should have some kind of answer, but I don’t. I can only speculate. Perhaps many GM’s see the above decisions as the appropriate purview of the manager and that they should not interfere. Many in baseball are of the opinion that GM’s shouldn’t try to micromanage their managers and interfere with what happens on the field during games. Some GM’s may be unwilling to anger or upset their manager by forcing him to change how he does his job. Some might fear the reaction of fans or the sports media if untraditional approaches are taken. And they may also worry about potential adverse reactions from players. But these are all guesses. Undoubtedly there is some truth to many if not all of the above theories.
Should managers change?
Each of the above tactics and processes that a sabermetric manager could utilize has a likelihood to increase the team’s wins in a real and for the most part in a measureable way. But they are not without risk. Significant lineup changes could upset some players. A star player may not like being moved from the third spot in the lineup to the first, or from second to fifth. But is this likely to be a big problem? It’s not like the optimal lineup would move a star player from third to ninth. Mostly star players would be moving around somewhere in the top four spots in the batting order. And each of those lineup positions has it’s own (although not necessarily equal) significance and prominence. These worries certainly wouldn’t lead me to turn down the opportunity to give my team an additional win.
Relievers might not like changing their pitching roles, or having their roles be more fluid. Ed Price of AOL News makes this point with the help of a MLB reliever:
More than 10 years ago, when I was covering the Arizona Diamondbacks, I asked closer Gregg Olson about a theory I had. What if a team designated an "ace reliever" instead of a closer, and used him when the situation was most crucial -- maybe in the ninth, as a closer would, but maybe with men on in the eighth, or with the heart of the order up in the seventh?Olson told me it wouldn't work because relievers want to know their roles. Because of the way bullpens have evolved, players expect to be a closer, or the eighth-inning pitcher, or the seventh-inning pitcher, or the long man, or the lefty specialist.
Baseball people say that relievers want to know it's their turn even before the phone rings. If they are handed a certain role, they know how and when to prepare to pitch.
I have a lot of problems with this. First, who cares what relievers want? Shouldn’t we care about how they’ll perform? Will they perform worse because they are unhappy with the fluidity of their role? I don’t know. Bullpen roles were more fluid in the 1970’s and 80’s. Did that hurt their performance? I doubt it. Second, if the problem is that they’ve gotten used to something and changing that would upset them, then can’t they just get used to something new? Is the status quo really the only thing they could ever be happy with? Can’t they get used to a "new normal"? Relievers have done it before. Third, outside of the closer, do many relievers really have "set roles" and therefore "know how and when to prepare to pitch"? In addition to a closer, most teams have one or two primary setup men and one or two secondary setup men. These are the guys you would expect to see in the 8th and 7th inning, respectively, especially in a close game where their team is winning. But most games don’t follow that script. Because of that, the supposed 7th and 8th inning pitcher(s) rarely know when they are going to come into a game. It could easily be the 6th, 7th, 8th, or even the 9th inning if the closer is unavailable. So would it be so difficult for relievers to change from their current semi-solid role to a semi-fluid role? I don’t think so. The downside looks very limited to me.
And then there’s the issue of the possible negative reaction from fans and the media. Fans want their team to win. They might not like a given decision or tactic, but they’ll react positively to wins. So I think it is worth it to mildly increase the disgruntlement of the fan base if it gives the team more wins. In the end, their happiness for the wins will drown out any distaste they have for nontraditional managerial moves. And I don’t think media reaction should be considered by the GM or manager. Yes, I’m sure that gets into their heads, but they need to do what will help their team win the most games.
Finally, one could argue that the gains to be had from these various tactics and processes are small, therefore they really aren’t worth the trouble and upset they may cause. I find this argument hard to swallow. We know that the use of an optimized lineup would add around one win. I think it is reasonable to conclude that a thorough implementation of the rest of the above changes would add another 2 or more wins. If we’re talking about managerial improvements adding three more wins to a team’s season, isn’t that more than worth the costs involved? Klaassen made this point very well in his article about the value of an optimal lineup:
…wins are wins, and money is money. Teams talk big about doing "whatever it takes." As the league gets smarter, it gets more difficult to find the new market inefficiency, the Extra 2%, as it were. Just as each better move in improving a batting order only adds a tiny bit but can add up to as many as 15 runs (one or two wins), each one-to-two-win-per-season strategy (batting orders, better bullpen usage, efficient platooning, etc.) can add to possibly four wins, and then we’re in expensive free agent territory in terms of value.
So why not do it? Because it would upset some people? Because managerial prerogative is sacrosanct? I’m sorry but I don’t think so. The bottom line is winning. And every GM should be looking at anything and everything he can to maximize their teams’ wins. General managers have been willing to rebuild their front offices and change the way their do their jobs. Why should managers be insulated from change, improvement and progress in the game? More importantly, why do GM’s allow their managers to be unreflective, unoriginal and intellectually stagnant? They do so at their team’s peril.
How could this be done?
I am realistic enough to not propose a revolution in managing. It is a lot to ask for a GM to bring a manager into his office and tell him that in many different ways he’s going to have to do his job very differently from now on. But GM’s can exert their influence on managers to make at least incremental change. I don’t think it would be unreasonable to GM’s to stress to their managers that small ball and the "running game" should be minimized or at least decreased in the manager’s game plan. Also, managers could be educated with regard to stats (at least bit by bit) and how they could and should use them.
Would many managers balk at this? Of course. And they are free to resign. I think few would take such a drastic course, but if they did, how much would that hurt any MLB team? It’s not like there isn’t a pool of traditional, by-the-book managers waiting to take any manager’s place. And I would argue that they’d likely do just as good (or bad) of a job.
But this raises the more important point. The real opportunity for GM’s to make a significant change in their managers is when they are hiring a new one. In the interview process, a GM could make clear what he expects from his manager. Those who show a reluctance to use new tactics and follow new processes could be passed over. But there will be candidates hungry enough for a job as a MLB manager that they will be willing to follow his GM’s dictates, or at least guidelines, with regard to the reforms I listed above.
Conclusion
I think it is clear that there is much improvement which could be made to MLB managers, and this improvement would lead directly to more wins. Is there risk? Yes. But isn’t the risk worth it? It’s not easy to get a team into contention. It is harder still to get them over the top and into the playoffs. Shouldn’t some teams at least do what they can to get the most out of the manager?
It is frequently said that the low hanging fruit of market inefficiencies in baseball are gone now. I don’t really think so. I think there’s a big juicy apple hanging down to about knee level, just waiting to be picked.
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Optimized lineup
I’m just curious: if “no MLB team uses an optimized lineup or anything close to it,” how can anyone have any idea about how many more runs it would score than a standard lineup? And what would happen if the majority of teams began using optimized lineups?
yes, or simulations (not sure how to articulate the difference exactly, but there is one)
and rather than “real life” stats, you’d use estimations of the players’ true talent (“projections”).
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by Matt Klaassen on Apr 14, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Difference, in English...
In a sim approach, you sim the lineup over and over and assume that the overall average is representative of the lineup.
In a markov approach, you use fancy math to keep track of all the possibilities as you go through a single game.
A couple other factors to consider
In addition to simple “this is the way it’s always been done”, I think there are a couple of other things that lead managers to do what they do.
First, I think most managers just feel an innate need to “do something.” In other words, they need to take a particular action in a game (i.e. IBB, sacrifice bunt, etc.) to justify their existence. To show to themselves and to everyone else that they’re “in the flow of the game” and using their guts. A manager who simply sits there more often and allows results to be generated more naturally (i.e. pitching to a hitter instead of walking him, letting a batter just try to hit or walk instead of bunting, etc.) is probably perceived by the traditional baseball world to be “sitting on his hands” and not doing his job.
Second, I think managers, like most employed people, are going to do what is easier, and especially if it is also what is expected of them by their bosses. So, instead of having to figure out WHEN to use your best reliever each and every game, you just appoint him with the magical title of “closer.” Then, in the post-game press conference you can always say, “Of course I didn’t bring in Rivera in the top of the 7th…he’s our closer.” And it just trickles down from there—your primary set-up guy is your primary set-up guy. Unless he has been overworked recently, he always pitches the 8th…because he’s our set-up man. Then you bring in your closer, because it’s the 9th. It’s simple, it’s accepted, and the process will continue to be used as long as it means a certain level of job security. Just like football coaches who probably punt more than they should—it’s almost always easy to justify a decision to punt to the media. It’s simpler and safer. Why take any risks or try something “unproven” when it could mean your million-dollar job?
by Sweep_the_Leg on Apr 14, 2011 12:50 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
The point about "doing something" is huge.
When early-game sac bunts by the Twins under Ron Gardenhire, I always say things like “Look mom, I’m MANAGING! See me MANAGE?” When the play comes off, it gives the manager a sense of satisfaction at a job well done – pause to dust off hands dramatically – reduced run/win expectation be damned.
by tobynotjason on Apr 14, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
Yet OTOH, they are doing less when it comes to bullpen usage. They just want to plug guys in according to a formula (we are up by three runs in the ninth, so put in closer; we have a lead in the 8th, put in “bridge guy”; etc.) I think you’re right, but I don’t get why they are doing the opposite in bullpen usage. You can say “they don’t want to be second guessed”, but they get second guessed all the time in steals and situational hitting and small ball.
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Awesome Article
I think it would be interesting to see the fantasy implications if your suggestions at to the bullpen took place. Could you get a statistic for doing well in high-leverage situations?
Fangraphs needs to start thier own Fantasy Baseball engine
I would love to play in a true sabermetric fantasy league. I am in the second year of a saber league I created on Yahoo that uses Tango’s Run Values for scoring. It’s very cool, but I’m still chained by the limits of the engine (no option to score offensive outs for example, requiring the .3{?} reducation in all offensive values).
A Fangraphs or Baseball Reference league would be awesome.
Closers are paid for the postseason. They are relatively meaningless for the preceeding 162 games.
by PinkiePinkerton on Apr 14, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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by Matt Klaassen on Apr 15, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Intentional Walk
Last night I was at Citi-Field, and I turn to my father and say, “They need to intentionally walk Tulo right now, Jose Lopez (the next batter) is an [expletive] joke.”
Obviously I looked like a genius because he hit a HR. I think the point that Tango and MGL are assuming that the hitters are equal, and that isn’t the case. I’m all for the intentional walk in the right situation.
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Me too
I’m not against IBB’s per se, and I know Tango et al. aren’t either. I’m just against the overuse of them, which I think is quite common. The biggest problem is that I’m sure managers don’t really know when it is a good idea to do it and when it is not because they haven’t looked into it.
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by Scott McKinney on Apr 14, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, in the Book, Tango and MGL are not assuming that all hitters are in fact equal
They are making the point that if the hitters at issue have roughly equal ability, the intentional walk in most situations becomes an essential break-even proposition. In other words, the difference between the two hitters has to be significant — the second hitter is a pitcher, or the first hitter is a very good hitter and the second hitter is replacement level — to make the intentional walk a better than break-even play.
Scott even acknowledges this (“Sure there are situations where the intentional walk makes sense.”).
For example
A LHP capable of throwing a curveball should walk Billy Butler to face Kila Ka’aihue any time there’s a runner on and 2 outs. You know Billy will hit the crap out of the ball, and you know Kila will strike out on a ball at his ankles. No math required.
In fact, there is an extensive chart of "expected wOBA ratios"
It’s not a “feel” thing, you have to caculate it out… it’s not always, equal, either. iBBs are sometimes justified, (and it depends on game, base/out state, and relative expected wOBA of hitter/batter matchup) but not nearly as often as they are used.
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by Matt Klaassen on Apr 14, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Scott, Matt , Kdc1. and Gopher
Gopher, I know, I read the book but was typing pretty quickly from class. Thanks for the clarification though.
Matt, I know. Sorry for not being clear.
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I apologize for being pedantic.
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by Matt Klaassen on Apr 14, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Pefect Comment Today
From Freddi Gonzalez with the Braves:
Braves manager Fredi Gonzalez doesn’t intend to move Jason Heyward to the No. 2 spot in the lineup. “When you make out the lineup, the lineup is a function of the entire lineup – eight guys, not just one guy,” explained Gonzalez. “Statisticians, numbers crunchers and my SABR [Society for American Baseball Research] people – I’m a member – they shoot holes in that stuff. But you’re dealing with humans in the way the lineup is constructed.” It’s frustrating to see Heyward batting sixth, but Gonzalez likes the balance in his lineup and wants Nate McLouth to see more fastballs out of the No. 2 spot. We wonder how long he’ll stick with it if McLouth continues to struggle.
Yes perfect comment
I haven’t ready through the whole article, but my first thought after seeing the lineup comment is exactly as Gonzalez put it, you are dealing with humans here. Projections aren’t even close to being precise yet, nor does it acknowledge that players sometimes are just lost mechanically, as well as so locked in that he’s hitting a ton.
There is also no acknowledgement that if you stick with the projections mechanically without any adjustments for reality – like your good hitter just not hitting, it will cost your team more than one win to just stick with him than not going against the “ideal lineup” and trying some other hitter instead, at least part of the time.
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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Apr 15, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
But I think you're missing the problem
I’m not saying that a lineup should be constructed as above, based on projections. I think the manager should use many pieces of information to determine who are the best hitters, most likely to get on base, best power hitter, etc. I’d be willing to include the information that a player is having mechanical issues, that a hitter is “locked in” and more (in addition to more tangible data).
The problem is that regardless of the information they use, managerare constructing an old school lineup which doesn’t maximize run scoring potential. Based on whatever info they use, managers bat their best hitter third and best power hitter fourth. Those are two examples of managers getting it wrong.
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by Scott McKinney on Apr 15, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
More like the Kendall batting 2nd almost all year last year
because he “has great bat control”
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I agree there is a human element
But the reasoning still seems silly. Wouldn’t you rather see Heyward seeing fastballs since he’s a much superior hitter? The increased value in hitting ahead of Chipper Jones is likely to have a far bigger impact in a better player than in a lesser player like McLouth.
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Great Article
I think that it will take just one team to change their style of managing and have success with it to slowly bring about change. Finding that first team, however, will be difficult
by Connor Moylan on Apr 14, 2011 1:45 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
But why have very sabermetric front offices that really "get it" not led to sabermetric managers who get it and act accordingly?
The Red Sox and Rays do a lot of things right, but for some reason, sabermetric managing isn’t one of them. I wonder why.
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by Scott McKinney on Apr 14, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Has it really been proven
that there is a formula for determining what the most optimized lineup is? I know there are some tools out there and some smart people who have written stuff on it. But is there any concrete mathematical proof that optimizing your lineup a “certain” way is the best?
I doubt any cookie cutter method that says, bat nth best hitter xth in the lineup is going to give you the lineup that is going to score you the most runs for every team.
It's a simulation.
It’s not proof. If I’m not mistaken, you run the simulation a million times and find the average of what that lineup would score. Given one particular lineup in one particular season, it is possible that the worst lineup would outscore the best lineup. But in the long run, you would expect the best lineup to outproduce the worst in most trials.
Yeah, I understand that… but who has this simulation? All I’ve seen is some model where you type in OBP, SLG for each hitter and it spits out runs/game for the lineup you type in. This gets back to my question, who has the model that proves (via Monte Carlo or w/e other mathematical measurement) that a certain lineup is the most efficient one?
Here is one
that is simple, but at least separates probabilities of basic events out: www.lineupsimulator.com
The 2008 THT annual included a Markov modeler for Excel that isn’t exactly user-friendly
I think Tango has his own Markov model, and MGL has some simulation program he uses.
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by Matt Klaassen on Apr 14, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Do these give you the best lineups, or just best lineups per that system? I know at some point you probably have to trust something, but you atleast need to know all the error bars. I don’t think in the end you will be able to say with > 95% certainty that a lineup is better than the typical lineup by 1 win. Just my $0.02 that I am not sold on this theory “yet”. :)
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It's why he bats Jason Kendall in the 2 hole.
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by tobynotjason on Apr 14, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Avoiding blame
That is, to me, the primary reason why managers don’t manage unconventionally. You see the same thing in football – every statistical analysis shows that coaches should go for it on fourth down more often, because in most cases the gain in field position doesn’t outweigh the benefit of the chance to get the first down. Yet, year after year, NFL coaches punt on fourth and two from midfield. I think that’s largely because they have the “it’s how it’s always been done!” defense to shield them from blame if their decision doesn’t work out. No one (except maybe Gregg Easterbrook) notices when the opponent marches down the field and scores after a ridiculous punt; everyone notices when they score after you leave them a short field from a failed fourth down try.
It’s not quite as dramatic in baseball, but if Girardi brings in Rivera in the 7th to get out of a bases-loaded jam, only to see Joba blow up and lose it in the 9th, he’s going to be second-guessed like crazy, and the loss becomes his fault even though he likely made the right decision putting his best reliever in the highest-leverage situation. Had Joba blown the game in the 7th, no one would have noticed, because he was pitching in the role he always pitches in, and he just wasn’t able to get the job done – the blame is no longer on the manager.
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by BeefMaster on Apr 14, 2011 3:50 PM EDT reply actions 8 recs
I think this anxiety would be greatly lessened if the manager knew that the GM wanted him to do these unconventional things
Sure if your GM isn’t on board and you do unconventional things, there’s good reason to fear for your job. But if your GM has your back (both privately and publicly), then it is safer. All you have to worry about is the media and the fans. Of course what the manager should care most about is the wins.
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by Scott McKinney on Apr 14, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
This is a great point
And it would only take 1 or 2 managers successfully doing it to reach a tipping point league-wide.
In cities like NY and LA, the manager would likely get eaten alive by the media. No matter what the GM says behind closed doors, this would still be very uncomfortable and is one of those “easier said than done” things.
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not just in NY and LA
The Pirates tried batting the pitcher eighth at the beginning of the 2010 season, and many fans and people in the media threw an absolute tantrum. And of course there will be situations in which that works and where it doesn’t — even if that’s the best lineup, sometimes it’ll lead to the pitcher coming up in a crucial situation, and it’s easier to fix on that and ignore cases where the leadoff hitter bats with a man on base. Given how marginal the gain from that lineup tweak is, I’d say that it’s probably better to avoid the hysteria that it produces — unless you’re in a situation (like Confirmed Genius T La Russ) where you can get away with it.
What I’d really like to see is more platooning.
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by WHYG Zane Smith on Apr 15, 2011 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Bill Belicheck seems to be one that bucks the trend
And of course, winning rings will shield you from criticism when things don’t work out (like when he went for it on 4th down against the Colts)
Where is the baseball Bill Belicheck?
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What about the manager fraternity?
Every year at the Winter Meetings, managers get together and converse—plus throughout the season they talk. I get the sense that they feel like they’re in an exclusive club and that they all have a responsibility to uphold the integrity of the job. This could create resistance to complying with a GM’s “suggestions.” Sure, a manager could be fired, but unless most teams acted on this market inefficiency, you would still have that tradition in the MLB manager’s club. It’s almost like a manager would lose the respect of his peers if he went along with optimizing lineups, different bullpen usage, etc.
I’m not sure about how to get around this problem. I’m not sure that with all of the bad publicity, casual fan reactions, media reactions, and everything else, managers would feel comfortable doing things. They would also be emasculated, lose respect, be called puppets much like Art Howe was. On the other hand, somebody like Trey Hillman could definitely pull this off. I know, I know. He destroyed Meche’s arm, but he was always respected (and still is) and he would do anything for an MLB job right now.
I’m not super adamant, just identifying some realistic issues and trying to think critically.
Current failure
When a team is still successful using the traditional, outdated model of on-field management (Ron Gardenhire, Joe Girardi) it will be nearly impossible to convince them to change. However, you would think a team like the Pirates, Nationals, Royals, Blue Jays, etc. who have not seen the postseason, and rarely a winning season, in more than a decade would be eager to adopt a new strategy. They would literally have nothing more to lose. Even if they don’t fully buy into “sabermetric optimization”, they could not do any worse than they are.
For these organizations to do the same old thing and hope for/expect more positive results is Einstein’s definition of insanity. These losing organizations will likely need to be the trendsetters for such a movement. Not all terrible teams are going to be able to stockpile ridiculous talent to get out of the hole like Tampa and KC. Some of them are going to need to revamp their business model if they ever want to see improved performance. Hopefully someone in Pittsburgh catches on soon.
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by PinkiePinkerton on Apr 14, 2011 5:42 PM EDT reply actions
see my comment above
The Pirates catch holy hell when they try to do something against the book. They tried batting the pitcher eighth at the beginning of 2010, and tried a weird outfield alignment then too (Dan Fox works for them and presumably had inputs into this), and were consistently raked over the coals for it in the home media market. In fact, I’d argue that the Pirates have less room for error here than a team that’s going to sell out its games. Of course if they won a lot of games it would increase attendance, but lineup tweaks don’t win enough games to make that much of a difference. (And the defensive alignment may just have been a bad idea on the merits.)
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by WHYG Zane Smith on Apr 15, 2011 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, it may be more of a disservice to the statistics-based decision argument.
One or two (or, heck three) more wins for the Pirates won’t make much of a difference in their expected place in the standings.
So, just say they truly optimize their lineup to the degree that they put the best OBP hitter first (even if an average runner), and hit their pitchers eighth all season to allow a good to decent hitter to hit ninth. The strategy works even better than we expect it to, and they finish 72-90 instead of 69-93, and in 5th place instead of 6th in the division.
Within this hypothetical situation, no one watching the season would know (with certainty) that the decision to change the lineup, for instance, gave the Pirates three more wins, because you only perceive the reality you’re in. They would know that the Pirates finished 72-90 with their 19th straight losing season, and the strategy didn’t work.
Of course, it would have worked very well, because it would have given them three more wins than they would have had, but the media, casual fans, and (perhaps more importantly) ownership wouldn’t understand that the strategy isn’t in and of itself a silver bullet; it’s a small, incremental change, that employed with similar measures within an integrated strategy of statistics-based decision making, will result in the optimization of the talent the team has.
As a result, the traditionalists would use the “failed example” of the Pirates to trumpet a return to the Glory Days before baseball had all these Weird Numbers.
If we were to give present managers a report card based on this guide,
I’m happy to say my main man Joe Maddon gets straight As.
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Really?
That lineup doesn’t look optimized to me. Does he really only sac bunt in optimal situations? Does he very rarely have his pitchers IBB? I don’t think he used Soriano last year in a particularly non-standard way. Has he often used platoons to deal with weak spots in the lineup?
He might have a better grade card than most managers, but I’d be shocked if he really earned straight A’s.
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by Scott McKinney on Apr 14, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe we're grading on a strict Bell Curve...
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by Matt Klaassen on Apr 15, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
In that case, he probably would be at or near the head of the class
With Francona? I’m sure there’s a half-assed way to try to measure this sort of thing. I might give it a try.
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by Scott McKinney on Apr 15, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Great article. Really good breakdown.
I changed my team’s lineup in Baseball Superstars 2011 to your optimized lineup and saw immediate results. :)
Here’s a writing suggestion – don’t ask so many questions. You’re going to sound more authoritative and more persuasive if you just state your shit instead of trying to nudge the reader along.
Frame this comment. Scott, has anyone ever suggest that you should be MORE authoritative?
You’re going to sound more authoritative and more persuasive if you just state your shit instead of trying to nudge the reader along.
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I need to take it up a notch or two! But he may have a point with regard to this article. Problem is, I had more questions than answers. Sometimes it’s like that.
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by Scott McKinney on Apr 15, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Really great article Scott
Keep up the great work. Maybe in 25-30 years, the Royals will get around to this kind of thinking.
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How dare you
Dayton Moore is a revolutionary, who do you think invented this “farm system” idea? I’m not sure, but from what I’ve read recently, I’m pretty sure it was Dayton.
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by Matt Klaassen on Apr 15, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps our grandchildren will eventually get to see our dreams come true
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