Stacking Up The NL's Fifth Starters
To keep things in perspective here, the No. 5 spot in most rotations generally puts up horrible results. The average ERA for the No. 5 spot is generally in the mid-5's, and rarely does a team last the entire season using only one or two pitchers in the role. More often, the No. 5 starter role consists of a flurry of generally failing options, as few teams will the last year using only a few starting pitchers. Injuries, trades and promotions tend to take a major toll on pitching depth. Well, mostly injuries, but you get the idea.
So expecting big things from most of these guys isn't particularly realistic. And frankly, if one of these guys does manage to break out during the season, he's not likely to be considered the No. 5 starter much longer. So on some level, you're simply looking at the first line of next season's fifth starters here. But here they are, 2011's anticipated NL Opening Day fifth starters, ignoring a couple of temporary early-season injuries- namely, Zack Greinke, Jon Garland and Aaron Cook.
16. Nelson Figueroa, Houston
Figueroa's the kind of guy that probably won't last the year. He turns 37 in May, and while he's not a horrible option, he's not part of the future and the Astros need to check out some guys that might be.
15. Charlie Morton, Pittsburgh
2010 was a disaster for Morton, but the raw stuff is still decent. His numbers were much stronger in 2009 with Pittsburgh and in 14 Triple-A starters last season. He's only 27, and there's some hope.
14. Wade LeBlanc, San Diego
He was replacement level in 146 innings in 2010, but the Padres are giving the lefty another go in 2011. He's typically put up decent numbers at Triple-A, but you wonder when fellow southpaw Cory Luebke could pass him up.
13. Armando Galarraga, Arizona
He's never really been more than a back-end guy that eats innings, but there's no reason that he can't fill a Rodrigo Lopez-like role with the D-Backs this season. Then again, Arizona may have better options at some point.
12. Chris Capuano, New York
He's likely to lose his spot once Santana gets healthy, but that's not going to be for a while. He's had a solid spring and pitched solidly in 66 innings last season after missing 2007 and 2008, so he could end up being a nice bargain for New York if he's healthy.
11. Kyle McClellan, St. Louis
The former set-up man is moving to the rotation to fill Adam Wainwright's spot, and there's reason to believe that he can be solid. He needs to prove that he can miss bats as a starter, but he should get an extended look.
10. Chris Narveson, Milwaukee
The lefty proved to be a solid starter last season, and at 29 seems capable of filling the same role again. He's improved a good deal since posting a 5.43 ERA in Triple-A three years ago.
9. Andrew Cashner, Chicago
I mentioned two weeks ago that Cashner should be starting, and luckily the Cubs agree with me. It remains to be seen how his offspeed stuff and command will play as a starter right away, but most evaluators believe that he can be a frontline starter in time.
8. Tom Gorzleanny, Washington
With Cashner filling his role in Chicago, Gorzelanny's taken hold of the No. 5 spot in D.C. with his new club. It's tough to know what to expect from him, but he pitched well in 2010 and is still pretty young.
7. Brandon Beachy, Atlanta
Signed as an undrafted free agent, Beachy began 2009 in Single-A, and finished 2010 with three starts in Atlanta. He's apparently beat out Mike Minor and Rodrigo Lopez to begin 2011 as the club's fifth starter, and his impressive 2010 indicates that he's ready for the role.
6. Barry Zito, San Francisco
He's making $18.5 million, which is outrageous for a No. 5 starter, but that doesn't make him worthless. You know he's good for 190+ innings, which has value, and at this point he projects as a 2 WAR pitcher. Most teams would take that from a fifth starter.
5. Mike Leake, Cincinnati
Leake skipped the minors last season and has a rotation spot early in 2011 thanks to Johnny Cueto's injury. He doesn't have top-of-the-rotation upside but should be a solid starter for a while.
4. Jon Garland, Los Angeles
He'll probably start the year on the DL, but when he comes off he'll be one of the most reliable No. 5 starters around. At this point he depends mostly on pitching to contact and keeping the ball in the park, but the durability is a major plus.
3. Chris Volstad, Florida
The tall right-hander needs to prove that he can consistently miss bats, but he was already solid in 2010 and is only 24. 2011's likely a key season for him in terms of reaching his ultimate potential, but the track record of low K rates indicates some limited upside.
2. Joe Blanton, Philadelphia
People focus on the first four guys in Philly's rotation, but Blanton is also an exceptional fifth option. He may end up getting traded and he's awfully expensive for his role, but for now Phils fans should just appreciate how strong their rotation is one through five.
1. Jason Hammel, Colorado
He's quietly put together consecutive strong seasons in Colorado, and the club's pitching depth has probably been understated some of late. Hammel would be a No. 2 or No. 3 starter on most teams, and it shouldn't surprise anybody if he's the second- or third-best pitcher for the Rockies in 2011. Landing him during Spring Training in 2009 was an absolutely fantastic move by GM Dan O'Dowd.
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by Andrew Martin on Mar 24, 2011 2:30 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Yeah. Hammelhas long been one of my favorites
He’s really underrated.
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I always hear Giants fans saying “Zito is the best number five starter in the majors”…guess that’s not really true, eh?
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I mean, he's good
But most of the value comes from reliability.
And I think it’s worth making one thing clear: the fifth starter isn’t always the fifth-best starter on the club. I would definitely take Hammel over Cook, for instance.
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by Satchel Price on Mar 24, 2011 5:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Right
This is where I think this list’s methodology is a bit suspect, because ‘fifth starter’ is so very arbitrary. As someone noted up in the comments, Zito isn’t even the Giants ‘fifth starter’ – they pitching Bumgarner last.
Really, a better list would be ‘Best Fifth-Best Pitchers on a Pitching Staff’.
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I was trying to consider how teams were building their own rotations
Because they’ll usually put the guy that they view as the fifth-best starter in the No. 5 spot, no?
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by Satchel Price on Mar 24, 2011 6:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Usually
But not always. So your methodology is suspect in your pitcher selection here.
You include a pitcher like Hammel, who is fifth in order but obviously not fifth in talent.
You include a pitcher like Zito, who is not fifth in order but obviously fifth in talent.
I think you have to pick one or the other.
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That's fair, but I was under the impression that Zito was the fifth starter
Didn’t realize that Zito and Bumgarner are going 4-5 next season. Obviously in that case you’d have to slide up Bumgarner, he’s gotta be No. 2 or No. 3.
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by Satchel Price on Mar 24, 2011 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
When Jon Garland comes off the DL, his durability will be a plus?
I know what you meant, but that just sounds odd.
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This DL stint is going to be the first time that Garland's missed a start in NINE years
Might sound odd now, but this guy’s been as durable as anyone over the past decade. The durability is pretty much his prime asset at this point.
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by Satchel Price on Mar 25, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I disagree with the last place ranking of Figueroa.
Most of the projection systems I have looked at predict Figueroa’s ERA and FIP to be lower than many of the No. 5 starters on the list. Marcel has Figueroa down for a 4.11 ERA and 4.16 FIP, which isn’t bad for a No. 5 starter. I agree that Figueroa likely won’t stay in that role all season, but that’s because he is really a placeholder for the time when one of the younger pitchers in AAA is ready to be called up.
As an Astros’ fan, I had hoped that Figueroa would start the season in the No. 5 role, for several reasons. First, I fear that Ryan Rowland-Smith, who was signed in the off-season, would be one of the worst starters in the majors. Second, I think that Figueroa allows the Astros to keep the Astros’ No. 1 prospect, Jordan Lyles, in AAA for awhile. I think there are some risks with installing a 20 year old pitcher in the rotation, but the Astros would have been tempted to do so if they had no other choices. Figueroa should pitch well enough to prevent the Astros with making a panicked decision to call up Lyles. On the other hand, he won’t block Lyles, since the Astros will simply move Figueroa to the bullpen when Lyles is ready for the majors. I would expect Lyles to reach the majors at some point this season.
Finally, I have to admit, from a fan’s perspective, that I like Figueroa’s intelligence and personality.
I feel like there’s a lot of leaning on upside here, and not much grounding in results. Leake might have the highest upside of the top 6, but I feel like you could have Garland, Blanton, and Zito in any order. If I had to pick my poison of the three, I’d go with Zito for durability reasons. As for the list itself, overall I’d probably throw my lot in with Leake.
Furthermore, I don’t see many competitive pitching staffs that would have Jason Hammel as a 2 or 3. His career stats and peripherals would have him lined up to be a fringe 3 or solid 4, going by current standards in the National League. Even when you adjust for his Coors’d BABIP, his other peripherals all sit neatly around league average. He’s more like a pitcher that was supposed to be a 2-3 than a guy who is actually fit for the role.
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