Ranking The Rotations: AL West
I wanted to write up a post gushing about how cool it is that Rob Neyer is joining SB Nation, but I've decided against it. Don't want to scare him away too quickly, if you know what I mean. So rather than talk about how Rob is my Bill James and blah blah blah, I thought we would, you know, talk about some baseball. And we shall.
With the official conclusion of the football season coming quickly (shockingly, I don't stop watching after the Pro Bowl), I thought it would be a good time to start previewing things for the upcoming season. Obviously when you're talking about ranking groups of players, it's probably not going to get as in-depth as one of Justin's graphics or Lucas' Pitch F/X breakdowns. But these are the kinds of things that fans think about when they're sitting around: "So, who's got the best rotation in our division?" And these are the questions I'm setting out to answer. So whether you're arguing over an infield, a bullpen, or which road jerseys look best, I'll be ranking them here in the coming weeks. Except not the jerseys, because nobody cares about my thoughts on the Rays' color scheme. So let's dive in, before I bore you guys to death and make Rob regret his latest career move.
We'll start off with the AL West, because it's the AL Best. (See what I did there?)
4) Mariners: Felix Hernandez, Jason Vargas, Doug Fister, Luke French, David Pauley, Erik Bedard
It's not too often that you'll see the worst rotation in a given division employing the league's top pitcher, but that appears to be the case in Seattle. Despite having the AL Cy Young to toss out there every fifth day, it's hard to see this rotation thriving next season. ZiPS projects King Felix to be the club's only above-average starter unless Bedard can prove to be healthy (and we still have no idea how he'll pitch post-injury), and that's not really an unreasonable projection. Fister and Vargas are solid back-of-the-rotation starters, but right now they're slotted into the No. 2 and No. 3 spots in Seattle's rotation. It's always nice to have an ace, but they're making things a lot harder by filling out the spots behind him with fifth starters and fringe guys.
3) Rangers: Colby Lewis, C.J. Wilson, Tommy Hunter, Derek Holland, Brandon Webb, Scott Feldman, Dave Bush
The Rangers failed in their bid to re-sign Cliff Lee and subsequently failed to find a suitable replacement for the club's rotation, so starting pitching doesn't appear to be a strength for next season. Lewis and Wilson appear to still be above-average starters, but beyond that the Rangers are taking on a lot of risk. Holland or Webb could emerge as another high-quality starter, but right now it looks like two good starters, some No. 4/5 types, and that high-risk/high-reward duo. Bush gives them some added depth, but they're going to be worse this season unless Webb or Holland comes through.
2) Angels: Jered Weaver, Dan Haren, Ervin Santana, Joel Pineiro, Scott Kazmir, Trevor Bell
The Angels had a ton of money to spend this offseason (see: Vernon Wells), but you pretty much never heard about the possibility of them spending it on starting pitching. That's probably because there wasn't much a need in the rotation. Sure, they could've forked up cash to make Scott Kazmir the West Coast's version of Oliver Perez, but the club appears to be willing to try again with the lefty after giving up a good deal of value to acquire him. With Weaver and Haren at the top of the rotation, the club has one of the better one-two punches in the game. There's huge upside in this rotation, as each of the club's top-five starters has posted an elite pitching season before, which helps to offset the lack of depth. A Weaver-Haren-Santana-Pineiro-Kazmir rotation could be unreal, or it could falter if the team's forced to turn to alternatives.
1) Athletics: Brett Anderson, Trevor Cahill, Gio Gonzalez, Dallas Braden, Brandon McCarthy, Bobby Cramer, Josh Outman
In terms of name value, LA's rotation puts Oakland's to shame. But the A's haven't been tinkering with their lineup all offseason just for the hell of it. If this rotation takes a step forward next season, and there's reason to believe it could, it's pretty easy to view the Athletics as contenders despite a lack of offensive firepower. Anderson only pitched 112 innings last season due to injury, but he'll be regarded as an elite guy by the end of 2011 if he's healthy all year. Cahill, Gonzalez and Braden all got attention last season for their performance, and for the most part that attention is warranted. With a strong defensive infield and three fantastic groundball pitchers in Anderson, Cahill and Gonzalez, this team might end up being underrated going into next season. People aren't pumping up the A's much this offseason, but with this rotation maybe they should.
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Good job Satchel.
Except not the jerseys, because nobody cares about my thoughts on the Rays’ color scheme
I care
But good post. I’d easily take the A’s here, but I do like the Angels rotation in 2011 as well.
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I worry about LA's lack of depth
They really only have four solid starter options, and a whole bunch of question marks.
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by Satchel Price on Feb 1, 2011 4:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Not that I meant that having only 4 solid starters is bad.
Oakland is similar, although I like McCarthy as a fifth starter option. It’s very close between those two clubs.
I just love the Anderson-Cahill-Gonzalez trio.
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by Satchel Price on Feb 1, 2011 4:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Exactly. Gio/Brett/Trevor is best 1-2-3 in the American League in my opinion.
But the A’s do have Harden/McCarthy/even Pedro Figueroa as a possible #5, the Angels have to deal with Kazmir again, that won’t be good. However, the Angels have at least one pitching prospect close to the majors (Fabio Martinez Mesa). The A’s don’t.
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by Dave Gershman on Feb 1, 2011 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure what you're talking about regarding Mesa
Martinez Mesa is a 21-year-old that just walked 6.6 guys per 9 innings in the Midwest League. He’s not remotely close to being MLB ready.
As for Harden, I’m pretty sure that they’re going to try him in the bullpen.
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by Satchel Price on Feb 1, 2011 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
Harden was signed and they are going to give him a "chance"
to win the 5th starter job. McCarthy was signed to do the same.
Martinez Mesa did have a high walk rate, but he has starts where he strikes out 9 over 7 with 0 walks, and starts where he’ll walk 8 and strike out 2 over 3 innings. Nevertheless, he’s closer to the majors than any other A’s pitching prospect, which is what I meant. Not exactly for the immeadiate future.
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by Dave Gershman on Feb 1, 2011 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
Anyone posting a walk rate like that in A-ball isn't close to ready
He probably isn’t reaching the majors until 2013 at the earliest, which is a similar ETA to Ian Krol, Oakland’s top pitching prospect. He’s just not really a factor for the next couple years as anything but potential trade bait.
And yeah I see now that they haven’t determined Harden’s role for 2011. I’m just skeptical that he’ll ever really be a long-term starter again.
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by Satchel Price on Feb 1, 2011 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
Read my Athletics Nation story today. Krol is legit.
http://www.athleticsnation.com/2011/2/1/1967065/the-as-farm-system-plenty-of-room-for-improvement
But yeah, regarding Harden, I’d like to see McCarthy beat him out, but I want to see Harden pitch some healthy, quality innings.
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by Dave Gershman on Feb 1, 2011 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
I just think that maybe it's time to see if Harden can last as a reliever
As for Krol, Alex Eisenberg didn’t love him, but Law had him at No. 5 in the organization and there have been more positive reports. He actually grew up not too far from me (roughly 20-25 minutes away) and pitched in the same conference as my high school. Seems to have solid stuff, but upside isn’t more than a No. 3 starter. You’d ideally want someone better to be your No. 1 pitching prospect, although I suppose you could do worse considering the talent already in the rotation.
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by Satchel Price on Feb 1, 2011 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
Really Satchel?
You would want a #1 pitching prospect?
:)
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by Dave Gershman on Feb 1, 2011 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
I mean, every team has a No. 1 prospect
Oakland’s happens to be Krol.
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by Satchel Price on Feb 1, 2011 7:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, Krol is legit
But would be the 8th best pitching prospect in the Royals organization.
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by Dave Gershman on Feb 1, 2011 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
Richards and Chatwood make it to the majors for the Angels before Mesa sniffs the majors
unless they ’pen him, in which case it might be close. Hell, even Reckling is ahead of Mesa at this point. Agreed on the fact that the Angels have pitching help on the way while the Athletics graduated most of their guys, but if Outman comes back with similar/stuff command then he is quite the fallback option.
Pedro Figueroa had TJ surgery
He isn’t in the plans for 2011. I think the A’s depth chart at 5th starter goes Harden, Outman, McCarthy, Cramer, Ross.
There isn’t much after that but hopefully that is enough.
I'm just skeptical that Ross is a starter
And he spent a good deal of last year in the bullpen. But if we’re talking about MLB-ready pitchers on either LA or Oakland, Ross is probably the closest starter in either organization.
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by Satchel Price on Feb 2, 2011 8:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Not really disagreeing
But I think you sold the Mariner rotation short by overlooking potential contributions by Pineda and Vargas. David Pauley and French are long relief if things go the way we’d like in Seattle. They might be far less, but why capitulate before spring has sprung?
A lot of ifs there
I love Pineda. So like you say, he could provide a big boost to the M’s rotation. With any rookie pitcher, though, you can’t expect him to come out of the gate and make a big impact. It could happen, but……
Bedard is a wild card, and could give them a quality guy behind Felix, but it’s just as likely that he doesn’t pitch at all.
Vargas is “what you see is what you get”, unless you’re a batter facing his changeup. I actually like Vargas quite a bit, but I wouldn’t expect him to be any more than a slightly better than league average starter. Which is fine, that’s great to have, but if he’s your second-best starting pitcher, your rotation isn’t stacking up with the best in the division.
It isn’t hard to imagine that if everything goes right, they could have one of the stronger rotations in the division. Everything would just have to go right.
by nathaniel dawson on Feb 2, 2011 2:29 AM EST up reply actions

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