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All True Yankees Team

Introduction

This True Team idea is based off of a Twitter conversation with Jason Wojciechowski about True Teams. This past season, Grant Green - a prospect in the Oakland Athletics organization - was moved from shortstop to center field because his defense wasn't good enough. However, Billy Beane told Green that the purpose of this move was that Cliff Pennington was blocking him at short. I snarkily replied that "Cliff Pennington is a True Athletic. Can't move him from short."

We often hear about a player being a True Yankee, but what about the rest of the teams? I'll run through each team in alphabetical order.

Many of the players on these teams will be current players, just because they haven't had the opportunity to go elsewhere just yet. The average amount of current players per team is nine.

History

Here are the links to the previous posts in this series:

Angels | Astros | Athletics | Blue Jays | Braves | Brewers | Cardinals | Cubs | Diamondbacks | Dodgers | Giants | Indians | Mariners | Marlins | Mets | Nationals (Expos) | Orioles | Padres | Phillies | Pirates | Rangers | Rays | Red Sox | Reds | Rockies | Royals | Tigers | Twins | White Sox

Method

1. The player must have played for the team in question for their entire career, as found by the "C" column in the Franchise Encyclopedia on baseball-reference. The reason for this is simply to make the data gathering process as simple as possible. Unfortunately, this strict rule leads to the omissions of players such as Willie Mays and Hanley Ramirez.

2. Players are ranked based on fWAR for batters and rWAR for pitchers (this is based on the relative ability to gain these values. Plus, pitcher WAR is not available on Fangraphs as far back as it is on baseball-reference.)

3. Pitchers are defined as starting pitchers if they have started more than 60% their career appearances.

4. For hitters, the position they play on the All-True Team may not have been their main position in real life, but they must have played there at some point in their career.

5. If two players are similar in overall WAR, their length of career will be the deciding factor as to which one makes the team.

6. A 25-man roster will be chosen for each team. This includes a starting player for each defensive position, five starting pitchers, five relief pitchers and seven bench players. These bench players will be the seven best remaining players.

7. A Mr. Team may be chosen if their career WAR is greater than 30% of the total All-Team WAR. There will be nine Mr. Teams chosen.

Results

Star-divide

Position Player WAR
C Bill Dickey 63.8
1B Lou Gehrig 125.9
2B Jorge Posada 47.6
SS Derek Jeter 74.4
3B Roy White 47.5
LF Joe DiMaggio 92
CF Mickey Mantle 123.1
RF Bernie Williams 47.5
SP Whitey Ford 55.3
SP Ron Guidry 44.4
SP Mel Stottlemyre 37.9
SP Spud Chandler 26
SP Jack Warhop 12.5
CL Mariano Rivera 56.3
RP Joba Chamberlain 5.5
RP David Robertson 5.2
RP Phil Hughes 4.6
RP Jack Cullen 1.2
BENCH (SS) Phil Rizzuto 47.2
BENCH (OF) Earle Combs 46.3
BENCH (1B) Don Mattingly 45.8
BENCH (OF) Tommy Henrich 44.6
BENCH (C) Thurman Munson 44.4
BENCH (IF) Gil McDougald 44.2
BENCH (SS) Frankie Crosetti 35.8
TOTAL 1179


Conclusion

Team Established: 1901

Total Team WAR: 1179

Total WAR Rank: 1/30 teams

Mr. Yankee: N/A. Lou Gehrig only has 11% of the total team WAR.

Team MVP: Lou Gehrig, 125.9 WAR.

Number of Active Players: 6. This is three fewer than the average for all true teams.

Free Agent: Jorge Posada. Posada is nearing the end of his career and could retire instead of signing elsewhere.

Players That Just Missed (90% of Career on Team): Yogi Berra (99% of PA, 71.5 WAR in NY), Tony Lazzeri (97% of PA, 55 WAR in NY), Lefty Gomez (99% of IP, 43.2 WAR in NY), Johnny Murphy (95% of PA, 13.3 WAR in NY)

So this is why there's such a thing as a "True Yankee." The difference between the Yankees (1) and the Red Sox (2) is the same as the difference between the Red Sox and the Phillies (13). There are just no weaknesses on this team as even the bench is full of 35+ win players. There are eight more players who didn't make the team at all who have more than ten career wins.

In order to make the best lineup, I had to put DiMaggio in left field, Posada at second base, White at third base and Williams in right field. If you're picky, you can move Posada to the bench and let McDougald play second base. It doesn't change the total WAR at all.

A majority of the active players on this team are relievers. The other two active players are almost done with their careers.

There won't be many conclusions drawn here, but feel free to discuss this team in the comments. Anyone I missed, any surprises, any memories of specific players?

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Gil McDougald!

I can’t believe I forgot about him.

If I were actually fielding the team, I’d probably have White and Posada on the bench in favour of Crosetti and McDougald. Of course, that doesn’t change the team value.

There are five True Yankees with more career WAR than the whole True Blue Jays team (Dickey, Gehrig, Jeter, DiMaggio, Mantle).

by macomeau on Dec 14, 2011 7:59 PM EST reply actions  

Is Bernie Williams still active?

And the fact that Mo’s WAR is the highest for all pitchers speaks volumes about his success.

by bloppy_ploppy on Dec 14, 2011 8:31 PM EST reply actions  

No he's not active

It’s just that SBNation has a profile for him

by Chris St. John on Dec 15, 2011 9:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Kind of expected this

Even without Babe Ruth I expected the Yankees to be leaps and bounds above everyone else. The list of great Yankees is very deep and they fortuitously had a bunch who were career Yankees.

Great list..

by Rice Cube on Dec 15, 2011 10:29 AM EST reply actions  

I had virtually the same team with a few differences.

I had Bill Bevens in the rotation with a 7.3 total WAR and Atley Donald in the bullpen with a 5.3 WAR as well as Ivan Nova (4.1 WAR).

I also put Roy White in LF with DiMaggio in CF and Mantle in RF and Bernie Williams on the bench. I suppose since Posada played one inning at 2B and Roy White 146 innings one year at 3B, you are right to place them there, but I had McDougald at 2B, Posada as the DH (or on the bench) and Red Rolfe at 3B (33.5 WAR). I guess that breaks your rules though.

I also will point out there is no room on this team for George Selkirk who only totaled 22.6 WAR but was a pretty good player for a few years.

by bobr on Dec 15, 2011 12:08 PM EST reply actions  

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