My First Scoresheet League
by Sky Kalkman on Jan 13, 2011 2:37 PM EST
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PrintI'm giving Scoresheet Baseball a shot for the first time, having been invited to join the BP Kings league. I don't really know what I'm doing (if other league members are reading this, that statement is totally meant to throw you off your game) but it sounds like a pretty cool fantasy format.
The rules get complex fast, but basically it's an in-season simulation league. Defense matters, lineups "matter", and games are simulated based on 2011 player performance, which is different from something like Strat-o-matic. It's a keeper league with 24 teams (yes, 24) and the dispersal draft starts Monday. So, uh, help me, please.
For the main draft, each team will be able to keep up to ten players, costing them, in succession, their 1st through 10th 2011 picks. An unlimited number of rookies can be kept, costing their teams one draft pick each starting at the end of the 35 round draft and moving forward. I would imagine some teams will keep less than ten players, hoping to nab one of the top non-kept players with a pre-11th round pick.
Six teams have new owners for 2011, so those teams' rosters get thrown into a pool and we hold a dispersal draft to determine our rosters that we pick our keepers from. This dispersal draft starts on Monday, and I have the fifth pick (snake draft). I'll post the full list of available players in the comments, but here's a quick look at the top guys available, in my opinion:
- Utley,Ch
- Wainwright,Ad
- Heyward,Ja
- Rodriguez,Al
- Cruz,Ne
- Oswalt,Ro
- Pena,Ca
- Sanchez,Jo
- Burnett,AJ
- Martinez,Vi
- Garcia,Ja
- Smoak,Ju
- Kemp,Ma
- Ethier,An
- Howard,Ry
- Zobrist,Be
- Granderson,Cu
- Vazquez,Ja
- Jeter,De
- Myers,Br
- Lilly,Te
- Alvarez,Pe
- Dempster,Ry
- Hudson,Da
- Figgins,Ca
- Brown,Do (Rookie)
- Hardy,JJ
- Lind,Ad
My initial reaction is that there are two premier players available, Chase Utley (best player) and Jason Heyward (long term dominance) . After that, there are a hoard of guys with similar value. The bad news is that I have the fifth pick in the dispersal draft. I've put out feelers to trade up to the first or second pick. We'll see. Do you think it's worth it? Who would your top 5-10 guys be? Any obvious tiers?
I've also received interest to trade the fifth or eight pick to a veteran of the league. His main trade chips include:
- Johan
- Westbrook
- Phillips
- Rollins
- Aramis
- C. Young
- Victorino
- Quentin
Rookies:
- Britton
- Turner
- Montgomery
- M. Perez
- M. Moore
- Alex Torres
- Dwyer
- Cosart
- Archer
- Keyvius Sampson
- Kimbrel
- Mesoraco
- Gyorko
- Franklin
- Profar
- Tate
None of those guys are worth a top eight pick on their own, but but if I could get 2-3 of them plus some rookies, it might be worth it. Ideas? Who do you like the best from each list?
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Wainwright...
Would be considered “premier” too, right?
Certainly one of the top picks
Maybe this is where a personal shines through, but I’d much rather have a position player long term than a pitcher. Not I want to look too far into the future. Five years is probably all I’d ever worry about, with a focus on the next three. Which makes Alex Rodriguez a viable pick, till.
I’m curious when I’ll actually draft pitching, especially relief pitchers, since I despise them. I’ll have to find some guys I think are underrated and enjoy those steals, I guess.
Oh, the whole list:
I’m a BIG fan of finding a handful of quality rookies. The downside is they take up a roster spot before they’re actually helpful, but the upside is two-fold: another quality player on your team eventually and they are essentially a “free” keeper the first year they’re productive.
Myers,Br P
Sanchez,Jo P
Burnett,AJ P
Hammel,Ja P
Silva,Ca P
Hochevar,Lu P
Pena(ChA),To P
Marshall,Se P
Meche,gi P
Martin,JD P
Tazawa,Ju P ROOKIE
White,Al P ROOKIE
Main,Mi P ROOKIE
Perez,Ch SR
Feliciano,Pe SR
Corpas,Ma SR
Qualls,Ch SR
Linebrink,Sc SR
Francisco,Fr SR
Lewis,Je SR
Walker,Ty SR
Martinez,Vi C
Ross,Da C
Ramirez,Max C ROOKIE
Pena,Ca 1B
Ruiz,Ra 1B
Utley,Ch 2B
Stewart,Ia 3B
Lowell,Mi 3B
Hardy,JJ SS
Brignac,Re SS
Lowrie,Je SS
Salcedo,Ed SS ROOKIE
Lind,Ad OF
Guillen,Jo OF
Bernandina,Ro OF
Sweeney,Ry OF
Crisp,Co OF
Kalish,Ry OF
Bowker,Jo OF
Reimold,No OF
Zito,Ba P
Volstad,Ch P
Garcia,Ja P
Duke,Za P
Moyer,Ja P
Suppan,Je P
Hawksworth,Bl P
Tallet,Br P
Weaver,Je P
Mortensen,Cl P ROOKIE
Hill,Ri P
Reyes(Atl),Jo P
Wang,Ch P
Hanrahan,Jo SR
Franklin,Ry SR
Motte,Ja SR
Wood,Ke SR
Kendall,Ja C
Laird,Ge C
Varitek,Ja C
LaRoche,Ad 1B
Allen,Br 1B
Schumaker,Sk 2B
Eckstein,Da 2B
Denker,Tr 2B ROOKIE
Cantu,Jo 3B
Castellano,Ni 3B ROOKIE
Ryan,Br SS
Valdez,Wi SS
Castro,Ju SS
Culver,Ci SS ROOKIE
Kozma,Pe SS ROOKIE
Podsednik,Sc OF
Ludwick,Ry OF
Francoeuer,Je OF
Milledge,La OF
Ankiel,Ri OF
Hermida,Je OF
Patterson,Er OF
Cain,Lo OF
Griffey(Jr,Ke OF
Taveras,Wi OF
Moss,Br OF
Jones,Da OF ROOKIE
DeShields,De OF ROOKIE
Lackey,Jo P
Lilly,Te P
Garcia,Fr P
Harden,Ri P
Monasterio,Ca P
Olsen,Sc P
Perez,Ol P
Sale,Ch P ROOKIE
Thompson,Br P
Mock,Ga P
Petit,Yu P
Colome,Al P ROOKIE
Betances,De P ROOKIE
Webb,Br P
Allie,St P ROOKIE
Crain,Je SR
Nathan,Jo SR
Hernandez,Ra C
Anderson,Bryan C ROOKIE
Flowers,Ty C ROOKIE
Rosario,Wi C ROOKIE
Kotchman,Ca 1B
Smoak,Ju 1B
Carter(Oak,Ch 1B ROOKIE
Young,Er 2B
Conrad,Br 2B
Rodriguez,Al 3B
Hall,Bi 3B
Wallace,Br 3B
Dominguez,Ma 3B ROOKIE
Drew,St SS
Wood,Br SS
Nelson,Ch SS ROOKIE
Gordon,De SS ROOKIE
Kemp,Ma OF
Gwynn,To OF
Ramirez,Man OF
Cunningham,Aa OF
Robinson,Tr OF ROOKIE
Millwood,Ke P
Niemann,Je P
Bush,Da P
Talbot,Mi P
Lannan,Jo P
Leake,Mi P
Chacin,Jh P
Bowden,Mi P ROOKIE
Jeffress,Je P
McGee,Ja P ROOKIE
McCarthy,Br P
Furbush,Ch P ROOKIE
Carpenter(ChN),Ch P ROOKIE
Masset,Ni SR
Putz,JJ SR
Johnson,Ji SR
Cruz,Ju SR
Burton,Ja SR
Pierzynski,AJ C
Wilson,Bo C ROOKIE
Lee,De 1B
Thome,Ji 1B
Marrero,Ch 1B ROOKIE
Iwamura,Ak 2B
Kouzmanoff,Ke 3B
Alvarez,Pe 3B
Bell,Jo 3B
Morel,Br 3B ROOKIE
Liddi,Al 3B ROOKIE
Goedert,Ja 3B ROOKIE
Uribe,Ju SS
Hairston,Je SS
Cabrera,Ev SS
Pence,Hu OF
Damon,Jo OF
Ethier,An OF
Morgan,Ny OF
Jackson,Co OF
Heisey,Ch OF
Choice,Mi OF ROOKIE
Brentz,Br OF ROOKIE
Pavano,Ca P
Dempster,Ry P
Kendrick,Ky P
Dickey,RA P
Gorzelanny,To P
Sheets,Be P
Hudson,Da P
Lohse,Ky P
McCutchen,Da P
Simon,Al P
Mathieson,Sc P ROOKIE
DeLosSantos,Fa P ROOKIE
Aumont,Ph P ROOKIE
May,Tr P ROOKIE
Alderson,Ti P ROOKIE
Rodney,Fe SR
Nunez,Le SR
Lindstrom,Ma SR
Bailey,An SR
Baez,Da SR
Zaun,Gr C
D’Arnaud,Tr C ROOKIE
Howard,Ry 1B
Murphy,Da 1B
McGeehee,Ca 2B
Zobrist,Be 2B
Velez,Eu 2B
Figgins,Ca 3B
DeRosa,Ma 3B
Izturis,Ma SS
Cora,Al SS
Ibanez,Ra OF
Granderson,Cu OF
Cruz,Ne OF
Colvin,Ty OF
Spilborghts,Ry OF
McDonald,Da OF
Harris,Wi OF
Carter(NYN),Ch OF
Paul,Xa OF
Brown,Do OF ROOKIE
Mayberry,Jo OF ROOKIE
Wainwright,Ad P
Oswalt,Ro P
Wilson,CJ P
Maholm,Pa P
Vazquez,Ja P
Bannister,Br P
Happ,JA P
Carrasco,DJ P
Hensley,Cl P
Eveland,Da P
Davis,Do P
VandenHurk,Ri P
Caridad,Es P ROOKIE
Familia,Je P ROOKIE
Wagner,Bi SR
O’Day,Da SR
Romo,Se SR
Perez,Ra SR
Wheeler,Da SR
Reyes,De SR
Kelley,Sh SR
Daley,Ma SR
Barajas,Ro C
Ianetta,Ch C
Berkman,La 1B
Pearce,St 1B
Ellis,Ma 2B
Nix,Ja 2B
Fontentot,Mi 2B
Downs,Ma 2B
Roberts,Ry 2B
Gordon,Al 3B
Freese,Da 3B
Gamel,Ma 3B
Darnell,Ja 3B ROOKIE
Jeter,De SS
Cedeno,Ro SS
Noriega,Ga SS ROOKIE
Havens,Re SS ROOKIE
Heyward,Ja OF
Gutierrez,Fr OF
Davis,Ra OF
Hawpe,Br OF
Joyce,Ma OF
Nix,La OF
General
Generally speaking, draft SS teams as you would a real team. I agree that hitters are generally more reliable than pitchers (Heyward would be my #1 pick), but elite SPs are more valuable in SS than they are in traditional roto. The SS sim ultimately values ERA, so having a horse or 2 that can reliably produce 7/8 inning starts w/ 2 runs or so can win you a lot of games. I play in an AL-only league that started last year, and the league champ picked elite SPs with his first 2 picks and won the Liriano lottery later in the draft. A rotation featuring 3 elite SPs was hard to beat. I agree that RPs are pretty fungible (just as in real life), though a strong pen is useful if your rotation is weak (this assumes you intend to compete in ’11 as opposed to taking a longer-term view).
Because of platoon split issues, favor lefty hitters over righties, as well.
Have fun!
Yes and no
I agree that an elite starting pitcher is huge. If you look at WAR leader boards for any given season, there are usually a few pitchers with as much value as the top few position players. My problem is that it’s tough to know who those top pitchers are going to be. One, because if you’re measuring value by ERA, that’s influenced by many things beyond a pitcher’s skill. And two, attrition for pitchers is higher than for position players.
Here’s a question — what kinds of pitchers are the smartest to take? Maybe Wainwright’s a good choice — someone with high talent who’s past the injury nexus. Maybe I should look at mediocre pitchers who look better b/c of ballpark and defense (Scoresheet basically goes by ERA without adjustments for those things.) Maybe I should take the spaghetti on the wall approach, grabbing tons of prospects and 4th/5th starters and hoping enough turn into gems…
You’d take Heyward over Utley, eh? Who’d be your top 10?
Thanks for the advice, keep it coming.
are guys penalized if they arent a regular?
it seems like guys like Kalish would be pretty productive for example as long as the small sample size doesnt hurt you.
i'm eager to see which of you is going to put his jacket down first so as to ensure the other’s dress doesn’t get wet. by craigws
Playing time matters.
If a guy has 20 plate appearances in a week, I think he’s limited to 20 PAs in the Scoresheet sim that week.
a rod, howard or oswalt
is what Id probably be going for.
i'm eager to see which of you is going to put his jacket down first so as to ensure the other’s dress doesn’t get wet. by craigws
or Alvarez is you are going long term
i'm eager to see which of you is going to put his jacket down first so as to ensure the other’s dress doesn’t get wet. by craigws
Stephen Drew went 4th (via a trade from veteran team).
I completely missed Drew’s name, but it seems odd he’d go this high.
And then I drafted ARod. Again, not going to worry about too many years in the future. BABIP was a bit low last year, so looking for a bit of a rebound. Not that he’ll likely beat 6 WAR again.
VMart and Howard on the pivot
And yes, I made a “two first basemen” joke. Then I grabbed Nelson Cruz.
Tuesday morning update:
My picks in bold.
3B Pedro Alvarez
SP Oswalt
OF Domonic Brown (Rookie)
P Chris Sale (Rookie)
SP Jhoulys Chacin
OF Matt Kemp
OF Andre Ethier
SP Daniel Hudson
OF/1B Chris Carter (OAK) (Rookie)
SP Jaime Garcia
3B Ian Stewart
2B/OF Ben Zobrist
I’m considering dealing my next pick for Derek Norris or Aaron Hicks. Any thoughts?
Also, there are a few 3 WAR SP that are probably worth keeping that I’d take next. Thinking about JJ Hardy, Carlos Pena, Adam Lind, and Derek Jeter, too.
by Sky Kalkman on Jan 11, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
Chris Carter is a bit of a reach imho
Lind or a SP, Sanchez? Jeter is probably the best ss available. He might be worth grabbing here, range factor be damned.
"This is for all the Tostitos." - Brent Musberger
I'm hoping Carter's still a rookie come 2012. Free keeper for a bat that should be sweet.
I’m struggling to figure out how many guys I actually want to keep. At some point, many of these guys will be able at the beginning of the draft. If I wait, I get more choices. The downside is that more teams will end up drafting. but I’d guess most veteran teams will keep 8-10 guys.
For anyone still following...
After Zobrist, these players went: Joyce, Pence, Smoak, Bailey, McGee (Rk), Granderson, Sanchez, Leake, Ianetta, Niemann, Lind, Hardy, Wilson.
Ianetta was my spot, but I traded that pick plus one down the road for Derek Norris and a late round pick in the real draft. Hardy was my pick, too. So now I have four keepers ARod/Cruz/Zobrist/Hardy, two rookies Carter/Norris, and an extra late round pick that’ll let me take a flyer on someone.
i think its just me.
but you like Hardy over Jeter for 2011? I assume you’re worried about severe defensive penalties from #2. I’ve never played one of these leagues but it seems like a pretty interesting idea.
"This is for all the Tostitos." - Brent Musberger
Funny enough, I just drafted Jeter.
Not sure who I prefer – it really depends on their defensive ratings. If Hardy’s well above average, probably him. If Jeter’s merely below average, probably him. I do think both will see their offensive numbers improve, Jeter on a BABIP rebound and Hardy leaving Target Field.
This is really neat, Sky.
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I'm in your pages
Scoping out your draft plan.
by Marc Normandin on Jan 13, 2011 10:13 PM EST reply actions
Since the last update, I've nabbed...
Derek Jeter (like his BABIP to rebound), Michael Bowden (rookie, and whom I’ve since learned has lost his curve ball), Brent Morel CHW 3B(rookie, unexciting but may get good playing time this year), the Cubs’ P Chris Carpenter (rookie), and NYM 2B Reese Havens (rookie, has skills and opening if he can stay healthy)
Out of curiosity
Have they published their methodology of how they go about using the stats to “play” these games?
Also, how is Scoresheet different from Baseball Manager? Or are they pretty similar experiences? I played BBM back on Prodigy when I was in junior high/high school—it was my first fantasy baseball game. It was neat, and I’ve thought about getting into it again. With the Yahoo league I run, though, I don’t have a lot of spare time…
http://www.baseballmanager.com/fantasybaseball/home.asp
-j
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I'd say to take Sampson, but that's only because I've seen him pitch live. He could be really filthy.
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Dispersal draft is over. Here are my players that I get to pick keepers from:
Each of these guys would cost me a top-ten pick, starting at #1. For example, f I keep six, I lose my first six picks. I would guess most veteran teams will keep close to ten players, but some of the 24 teams will keep significantly fewer. Fewer keeprs means you get a shot at the best non-kept players. That’s an advantage, but I don’t foresee any studs being thrown back.
The number is their fielding rating relative to position. One point is equivalent to about 1/8 of a win. Errors are determined by actual 2011 errors.
Alex Rodriguez -.03 3B
Nelson Cruz +.02 LRF
Ben Zobrist +.04 2B
JJ Hardy +.03 SS
Derek Jeter -.07 SS
Lance Berkman +.01 1B
Chone Figgins -.09 2B
There are 35 total rounds to the draft, 25 if you keep ten players. Rookies cost draft picks starting at the end instead of the beginning, and so are nearly free. Here are my guys. I either want players who will contribute in 2011 or guys who have a chance to be a stud in 2012.
Rookies:
Chris Carter (OAK)
Michael Bowden
Brent Morel
Chris Carpenter (CHC)
Reese Havens
Max Ramirez
I have some ideas, which I’ll keep silent for now. Your thoughts?
Another conundrum...
All OFs are lumped together for their defensive ratings. Scoresheet tells me that center fielders average 2.16 and corner outfielders average 2.07. That makes total sense consider one point is about 1/8 of a win and the generally accepted position adjustment is 1 win.
However, each team designates a center fielder, whose fielding contributions get multiplied by 1.4. I’m struggling to figure out how to quantify this as I calculate player values. Do I take the 24 or 30 top-rated OFs and give them the 1.4 rating? That would seem to put an artificial gap between the 30th and 31st ranked OFs. Do I apply a gradually decreasing multiplier between the 20th and 40th best OF ratings?
For some context, actual good corner OFs aren’t rated at the CF average, even though something like UZR would say they are better than the average CF. Take Carl Crawford, who is likely about +15 runs in a corner spot. His rating is 2.12, only about 8 runs better than average. Or Josh Hamilton, whose a lesser fielder, but has a 2.13 rating because he’s played some CF. The best rating is Franklin Gutierrez, at 2.21, about 17 runs better than the average corner outfielder. But with the 1.4 multiplier, he’s more like 24 runs better.
Ideas?
On a related note, I'm also participating in a Box Baseball league this year.
It sounds a lot like Scoresheet, but with added features. No real details to share, yet, because the sim documents appear to be down at the website.
I have, however, picked a home park — PNC. It kills home runs, but leaves BABIP alone, and increases extra-base hits. I figure I’ll draft speedy contact hitters and high-BB, flyball pitchers, two groups that are likely to be ignored by saber-oriented owners.
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