Bring Him Back? Atlanta's Potential Non-Tenders
We're going to continue our team-by-team look at this upcoming offseason's arbitration-eligible players today, which I began earlier by covering the Arizona Diamondbacks. There's a quick explanation of what exactly that means in the Arizona post, but for those of you that are too cool for the D-Backs, here are some quick explanations of the arbitration system, service time, and "Super Twos", courtesy of MLBTR.
We'll be doing these in order of each player's respective 2010 salary like I did in the previous post, and any references to a raise are based on those salaries as well. So, I suppose let's get thing going.
RHP Takashi Saito - 3rd season of arbitration - Tender contract, raised from $3.2M
It's a pretty risky move, but in three of the past four years Saito's been worth well more than the roughly $4M he'll make through arbitration. The Dodgers non-tendered Saito after the 2008 season due to concerns about his elbow, but he's come back really strong in 2010 with Atlanta. If a team is ever going to spend money on a reliever, it's always better to get a guy on a one-year deal than to commit multiple years. Landing a guy as potentially dominant as Saito for less than $5 million on a one-year deal would be a pretty solid get in my book. It'll be pretty interesting to see how Atlanta replaces Billy Wagner next year, whether it's with Saito, Jonny Venters or Craig Kimbrel.
OF Melky Cabrera - 3rd season of arbitration (Super Two) - Tender contract, raised from $3.1M
I was going back and forth on this one, but I think it's worthwhile for Atlanta to tender Cabrera a contract and see if he can follow through on his potential. I remember that Dave Cameron of FanGraphs was particularly bullish on Melky before the season, and it's worth noting that the recently-turned 26-year-old has actually played much better the past couple of months. His brutal start and some uncharacteristically bad defensive marks are what have put his numbers are below-replacement level so far. But he's batted .286/.343/.421 in 319 PA over his past 94 games, he's a versatile defender that's capable in center and very solid in the corners, and there's still some upside given his youth. It would probably be a tad different if Atlanta had a good young outfielder waiting in the wings, but that isn't really the case given how awful Jordan Schafer has looked this season.
OF Matt Diaz - 4th season of arbitration (Super Two) - Non-tender
This one is pretty easy. He doesn't offer value with his glove, he struggles badly against right-handed pitching, and his offensive production has been almost totally based on sustaining a high BABIP. He's been able to do that in the past, but two of his past three seasons have been pretty brutal, he'll be 33 next season, and he's no longer coming that cheap given his 2010 salary of $2.55 million. Assuming that they tender a contract to Cabrera, they'll presumably have a Cabrera-McLouth-Heyward outfield next season, although I suppose they could add a bat and push Melky or McLouth to the fourth outfielder's role.
RHP Peter Moylan - 2nd season of arbitration - Non-tender
Honestly, Moylan's track record looks pretty awesome from first glance: in 244 games in over the past four years, he's put up a 16-8 win-loss record and a 2.47 ERA. But there's one problem, and that's his constantly increasing walk rate. After walking just 3.1 guys per 9 innings in 2007 and missing most of 2008 recovering from Tommy John surgery, Moylan returned to walk 4.3 per 9 innings in 2009. He was still a very good reliever given his ability to miss bats and induce grounders, but his strong ERA was helped a good deal but not giving up a single home run all season (something that's obviously not sustainable). There was presumably some hope that with another year passing since his elbow surgery, Moylan's command would improve, but it's actually continued to regress. With a decreased strikeout rate and significantly more walks, Moylan has essentially been a replacement-level reliever so far. While expecting some improvement from here is fair, I'm not sure that Moylan is worth paying roughly $2M next year.
THE OBVIOUS FIRST-YEAR TENDERS
RHP Jair Jurrjens - 1st season of arbitration - Tender, raise from $0.48M
LHP Eric O'Flaherty - 1st season of arbitration - Tender, raise from $0.44M
2B Martin Prado - 1st season of arbitration - Tender, raise from $0.44M
I thought I would just bunch these three together at the bottom, because they're all pretty obvious tenders for Atlanta. Jurrjens has been one of the most reliable young starters in the NL over the past three seasons and is a mainstay in Atlanta's rotation, O'Flaherty will likely be the top lefty in Atlanta's 2011 bullpen outside of Venters, and Prado has emerged as one of the best players on the team while spending time at second and third.
All three of these guys are integral pieces of the team already, and that certainly won't change even after they get raises through arbitration. These guys have all definitely earned contracts for the 2011 season.
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Have you seen Melky this year? He’s eating his way out of the league. He can no more play center field than he can the oboe.
Not much, but he was pretty decent in center as a Yankee
I can believe that he’s declined since then given that defensive primes generally come earlier than offensive ones, but if he’s a roughly -8 to -10 defender in center and average in the corners that makes his defense pretty tolerable.
Obviously if the Braves believe that this is the beginning of a drastic decline in his defense ability then they’ll presumably have a much different perspective on whether to tender him. But I’m not privy to those discussions and I see a guy who’s been pretty decent outside of a brutal couple weeks to begin the season.
I think it’s worth taking a flier if it only costs about $3.5M for one year. The Braves don’t have any cheaper, superior options in-hand or anything.
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by Satchel Price on Sep 8, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I mean, he's getting really fat
Verging upon getting past “baseball fat” to “real world fat”. His defense, not surprisingly, is in decline; he’s not even really suited to a corner anymore. (It’s hard for metrics to get a handle on because he’s moved around, but from what I’ve seen they show a real decline.) He helped lose the last game of the Marlins series basically because he was too slow to get in front of a ball and too fat to bend over and pick it up.
I mean, I'm guessing you're right on some level
You obviously watch them far more than I do, UZR sees significant statistical decline, and his ratings so far in The Fan’s Scouting Report aren’t good at all (2.73 out of 5, fourth-worst defender on the team).
It obviously makes it a lot tougher to bring back Melky if he’s proving to be a liability in the field. I think it’s getting to the point where it’s essentially about how the Braves view Melky: do they see his 2010 defense as a blip on the screen, or the beginning of a defensive decline that will no longer make him a useful piece?
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by Satchel Price on Sep 8, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I sort of expect Moylan and the Braves to agree to something and avoid arbitration, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he is non-tendered. The Braves have a side-arming righty ready at AAA in Cory Gearrin if they do decide to let Moylan walk.
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I could see the two sides agreeing to a deal as well
But I doubt that he would get a raise over his 2010 salary.
And I didn’t mention this before, but Moylan really sucks against lefties:
Career: 5.40 xFIP, 4.94 FIP, 48 strikeouts, 64 walks in 81 innings
2010: 8.12 xFIP, 9.35 FIP, 3 strikeouts, 19 walks in 12 innings
He’s basically a ROOGY.
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by Satchel Price on Sep 8, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
oh wow...
i think you’ve got this way wrong. i really cant see any reason why the braves would tender melky cabrera a contract. there’s no defensive metric created that has him at an average corner, much less an average center fielder. he has been godawful at the plate. his decent june and july are completely overshadowed by his ability to suck severely in all the other months. here’s the breakdown:
april 5-may 19: .509 ops
may 19-july 31: .797 ops
aug 1-current: .693 ops
putting the numbers together, you get a player that has ops’d under .700, plays well below average defense, and eats cheeseburgers 3 meals a day. fangraphs has melky at -2 million dollars in value.
no-brainer non-tender: smelky cabera
diaz: send him to winter ball and see if he can play a decent center field: tendered
peter moylan: such a hit or miss…great gidp inducing pitcher that hasnt been inducing the gidp. he’ll still be cheap: tendered
saito: great pitcher, but the braves have too many young arms to take a risk on a relief pitcher who might or might not be healthy but will cost 4 mil. +: non-tendered
Smelky is not a good player. Noone can convince me otherwise.
adding...
i wasnt implying to make matt diaz the regular cf, however i do believe that the braves will have to run nate mclouth out there again in 2011. seeing if matt can perform admirably in center will create an opening for a full-time left fielder and still give matt his normal, lefties crusher role, only in a different part of the outfield.
Smelky is not a good player. Noone can convince me otherwise.
I wouldn't let Diaz touch center, at 33 years old I don't see him improving much from here
As for Melky, I’ve clearly been persuaded on some level that the decline in his UZR is an accurate reflection of decline in his defensive skill, which makes it a lot harder to tender him. I still think it’s on the brink given how solid he was in 2009 and the reasonable expectation that he’d be a good player coming into 2010, but I’m at that point now where I totally understand the argument for non-tendering Cabrera.
As for Saito, I already outlined before that I think that landing a potentially top-notch reliever on a one-year, $4 million deal is a nice move, even if there’s some additional risk involved given Saito’s arm history.
And I just worry about Moylan’s command, which simply hasn’t returned post-TJS. $2 million is a lot of money to shell out for a guy with shaky command that doesn’t miss enough bats to totally make up for it. I wouldn’t be surprised if they tendered him or tried to bring him back for less, though, given his ERA track record.
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by Satchel Price on Sep 8, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
you're probably right on diaz...
however, diaz and martin prado have both been getting themselves in excellent physical shape over the course of the last 2 years (courtesy of P90X). both have toned their bodies, became more flexible, and increased their speed. in a part-time role, i think matt could handle center, at least as well as melky handled it (which is, by no means, a compliment).
regarding other differences: the braves, just like the last few years, will be working on an extremely tight budget. unless they can work out a low base incentive laden contract for saito, then i dont see it happening.
moylan is a just worry. if you take out his first 2 games of 2009 (where he was probably brought back too early) his stats were incredible (.629 ops against). this year has been a different story. he just hasnt been able to locate and what was once weak grounders have turned into hard xbh. i still think they’ll keep him around considering he’ll probably be the old man of the pen.
Smelky is not a good player. Noone can convince me otherwise.
I don't know.. I'd rather pay ~$4M for Saito than ~$2M for Moylan
But that’s just me I suppose; I just don’t see how Saito isn’t a good deal if he’s healthy.
As for Diaz, he’s played essentially no center field in the past few years, his corner outfield defense has declined, and being a good center fielder is just as much about instincts (which he presumably doesn’t have in spades) than it is about pure range. I think he’d be at least as bad as Melky out there, and presumably a good deal worse. They’re better off non-tendering Diaz and trying to re-sign him for less, or simply going in a different route.
Maybe they could go after an everyday center fielder over the winter and slide McLouth over to left?
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by Satchel Price on Sep 8, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Saito has vision problems, he’s 40 years old, and Bobby Cox—BOBBY COX, one of the most abusive managers WRT relievers in the game—won’t even use him on consecutive days.
Given the choice between the two, I’ll take Moylan, but I’d probably rather just have neither and sign the best available RH-reliever.
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