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Translating SP WAR to "#1/#2/ect"


This isn't exactly something easy to google so I figured I'd ask here :)

 

Hitter is generally easy.  ~2 is an average player, ~4-5 is all star territory, ~7+ is MVP territory.

 

SP though have the whole "#1, #2, #3, #4, #5" deal.  So, my question is, what's the WAR of a #1?  What's the WAR of a #2?

From playing around with calculating WAR (From Fangraph's primer), here's roughly what I came up with for a NL SP this season (off of 180 IP, which would be 30 starts at 6 IP per start.  I believe this is the equiv of 150 games played for position players, correct me if wrong, I tried to figure it out myself):

#5 = 4.60-5.10 ERA/FIP (0-1 WAR) (aka, bad bench player)

#4 = 4.60-4.10 ERA/FIP (1-2 WAR) (aka, good bench player)

#3 = 3.70-4.10 ERA/FIP (2-3 WAR) (aka, average starter)

#2 = 3.30-3.70 ERA/FIP (3-4 WAR) (aka, above average starter)

#1 = 2.50-3.30 ERA/FIP (4-6 WAR) (aka, all star)

Cy Young/ACE/whatever = Sub-2.50 ERA/FIP (6+ WAR) (MVP candidate)

That look about right?

My main reason for asking actually has to do with prospect grades.  I like John Sickel's system, but using projected WAR to give grades.  So for instance, for SP, it's roughly

#5 = C

#4 = C+

#3 = B-

#2 = B

#1 = B+

ACE = A

I guess the main that is it takes a 4.10 ERA to be the equiv of a average position player is just kinda hard to take.  For grading system, maybe something closer to

5/C = -0.5 - 0.5

4/C+ = 0.5 - 1.5

3/B- = 1.5 - 3

2/B = 3 - 4.5

1/B+ = 4.5 - 6

ACE/A = 6+

?

That'd instead give

5/C = 4.85-5.30

4/C+ = 4.35-4.85

3/B- = 3.70-4.35

2/B = 3.10-3.70

1/B+ = 2.50-3.10

ACE/A = Sub-2.50

Does that look better?

Obviously this is really objective, but I figured this would be a nice place for open discussion regarding it.

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By your WAR estimates, the Rockies will have two aces, a #2 (as a rookie), a #3 and a two #4s.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 18, 2010 11:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Phillies-Rangers

Rangers have two #1s and Lewis is close to a #1 (3.7 WAR currently)
Phillies have two #1s and Hamels is close (3.8)

That would make an interesting matchup.

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by t ball on Sep 19, 2010 7:41 AM EDT reply actions  

One big factor is what you mean by "a #3". Different people mean different things.

If you divide the quality of starters’ innings pitched into five quintiles, the mean ERAs are eerily close to 3.50/4.00/4.50/5.00/5.50. That was pre-2010 run scoring levels.

If you give a pitcher at each of those five levels 180 IP, that’s like .5 WAR/1.5 WAR/2.5 WAR/3.5 WAR/4.5 WAR. Of course, the better the pitcher, the more IP they tend to get, for various reasons.

by Sky Kalkman on Sep 19, 2010 8:47 PM EDT reply actions  

What I want is WAR to define "a #3", not define "a #3" and figure out what WAR fits

Although that spits out very similar WAR values to rotation spot. Though the ERA numbers are drastically different, but I assume that has to do with 1) I only used NL and 2) I was using 2010 run scoring level. ML RA/9 was 4.66 last year, NL RA/9 this year is

by nny on Sep 20, 2010 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

4.31

Wish there was an edit button :(

by nny on Sep 20, 2010 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

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