An attempt I made at comparing a teams offensive output. It could be used with any metric. ...

An attempt I made at comparing a teams offensive output. It could be used with any metric. Adding names really jumbled it up. Let me know what you think.

Here is the related article at RoyalsReview.com

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If your intent is to show the Royals really suck everywhere except 1B, RF and DH, it’s effective. But it’s information overload. DH looks the best because you only have the AL. I’d restrict it all to the league. It would also be nice to track individual teams. A line chart would be good for that, but then you’d probably have to do it one division at a time.

by fjm235 on Jul 22, 2010 2:51 PM EDT reply actions

Agreed...

I like it, but I would have used Interquartile Range bars with a line marking averages (or Medians, or harmonic means), just so it’s easier on the eyes and more intuitive.

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by J-Doug on Jul 22, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions

I thought it worked pretty good for showing the Royals.

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by Warden11 on Jul 22, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions

I'm with you, Warden

I don’t think it was information overload at all, and we all know the DH is only in the AL, so the comparison to average is still valid. If it needs to be AL-only that would be b/c of the difference b/t AL & NL hitting overall, not b/c you have fewer points to compare at DH.

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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jul 22, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions

More teams please

you should make a color coding for all teams

by Alexander אלכסנדר Mermelstein on Jul 22, 2010 4:03 PM EDT reply actions

You could make a By-Division version that could be color-coded without being to cluttered

and still offer relevant analysis of how the teams in a division compare

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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jul 22, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions

I think that would be very confusing trying to get 30 different colors/shapes

comparing 2 would work though

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by Jeff Zimmerman on Jul 22, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions

I should have been more clear with my comment above

by “By-Division”, I meant highlighting players/teams within the same division. I thing you could have 5 teams’ worth of colors/shapes without it getting too confusing.

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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jul 23, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions

I wonder if it could work with a field map with rings at each position. Bigger diameter = better production.

Really like it, though. Also shows the relative strengths of each position, regardless of highlighting a team.

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by Sky Kalkman on Jul 22, 2010 8:48 PM EDT reply actions

It really helps convey some ideas that some Royals fans bring up

Butler and Dejesus are above average compared to all players, but just average for their position.

Continued info to show why Kendall bats 2nd.

I would bold the 0 line next time for easy reference.

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by Jeff Zimmerman on Jul 23, 2010 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions

yeah, i like that idea

and while we’re giving you extra work to do, how about a dot/line/marker for each position showing the average and/or median value for the position?

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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jul 23, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions

Sir, your model appears to be broken

I don’t know what kind of horseshit statistic your are using, but it is clearly not correctly modeling offense. As any fan worth his salt knows, the Royals are LEADING THE LEAGUE IN HITTING. How could they possibly be as offensively inept as your model shows when they are leading the league in HITTING, and hitting is offense?

by rileydog22 on Jul 22, 2010 10:05 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs

lol. :)

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by Patrick42 on Jul 22, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions

As mentioned at Royals Review:

If you turn the graph upside down it measures each player’s grit

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by Jeff Zimmerman on Jul 23, 2010 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions

That's awesome!

PS I think this is my first btb comment.. not sure.

by Newcomer on Jul 23, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions

Perhaps the use of boxes for each position

would simplify the graph and make it nicely presentable. You could indicate the average with a line, the 25-75 quartiles with one color box, and the 0-100 range with another color. It’s effectively three sets of error bars.

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by redsoxtalk on Jul 23, 2010 11:43 AM EDT reply actions

There's some talk of "boxes" - are these in addition to the dots or replacing them?

I like having each data point represented, so I’m not in favor of replacing the dots. The boxes and error bars could go either way, but I can already see the general distribution and 75/25 pretty easily without the box-and-whiskers.

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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jul 23, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions

Just wondering, but that monster dot in left field is Josh Hamilton, right?

In terms of 2010 offense, it’s basically been Hamilton and a bevy of slugging 1B churning out numbers so far this season.

Gotta admit, his explosion the past few months has been one of the bigger surprises of the season in terms of big offensive performances. Who saw Hammy batting over .350 near the end of July?

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by Satchel Price on Jul 24, 2010 3:22 AM EDT reply actions