A Look to the Future: Your 2013 Pittsburgh Pirates
Yesterday, I kicked off our newest series, a somewhat detailed look at how each organization's roster could stack up by 2013 using only talent already in the organization. And today we'll begin our look at the National League, starting off with a look at what kind of team Neal Huntington and company could be building in Pittsburgh.
As a healthy reminder, I'd just like to mention that these lineups DO NOT include any sort of speculated free agent, trade or draft acquisitions that could happen before the 2013 season, and one could almost be guaranteed that by the time that 2013 comes, each team will have acquired some new players through free agency, trades and/or the draft. That being said, these are still exceptionally useful looks at how the teams will look by 2013, so we can have a better idea of what kind of players each organization is lacking in, and which players they'll be more likely to target through free agency. Like, as commenter backtocali noted below, the Orioles could possibly look to sign a Prince Fielder-type to make the 1B/DH situation a bit easier to deal with, as he'd be an obvious upgrade on Snyder/Reimold and with so many young players presumably there should be a good amount of payroll flexibility, too. But for this exercise, we're sticking purely with players that are either in the organization already or have been drafted this year with a reasonable likeliness of signing (so yeah, there's no Zach Lee for the Dodgers. Sorry). Additionally, after the trade deadline I'll probably do a few posts covering how trades changed these outlooks, particularly on teams where impact prospects could be dealt or acquired.
Here's a link to yesterday's post on the 2013 Orioles, if you missed it. Otherwise, I think we're ready to take a look at what could be the first team with a record over .500 since 1992.
The Starting Lineup.
Catcher: Tony Sanchez, 2013 Opening Day Age: 24, Current level: Advanced Single-A (Disabled List)
The fourth overall pick from the 2009 draft, Sanchez wasn't quite considered a prospect of that caliber at the time of the draft, but the Pirates opted to save money by taking Sanchez in order to spend big in later rounds on high-upside high school pitchers.
It remains to be seen how that strategy will play out for the club, but thus far Sanchez has done nothing but impress. Always considered a solid defender behind the plate, most of the questions surrounding the Boston College product were based around his bat. Sanchez has done a good job of answering those questions though so far, including an impressive .314/.416/.454 line in 207 PA in Advanced Single-A this season.
Unfortunately for Sanchez, he's currently out indefinitely with a broken jaw after taking a pitch to the face (ouch!), but at the moment he's still clearly the team's most clear option for catcher long-term. Incumbent Ryan Doumit's contract includes a 2012 club option but that's something that the Pirates would likely decline; Doumit is already an awful defender and by 2012 the upgrade from Doumit to Sanchez defensively will presumably be huge.
Sanchez may not project as a star-quality player, but a quality defensive catcher that can get on-base with a little power is going to end up being one of the best everyday catchers in the league. Other possible candidates would be Doumit's current back-up, Jason Jaramillo, and Single-A catcher Ramon Cabrera.
First Base: Pedro Alvarez, Opening Day 2013 Age: 26, Current level: MLB (Some reports that he's going back to Triple-A, though)
The second overall pick in the 2008 draft was always a lock to make this lineup, the real question was whether it would be at first base or third base. But frankly, his presence at first base is just as much because of the underwhelming options in the system as it's because of his sub-par defensive work as a third baseman.
Alvarez's potential as a hitter is no longer in question; his power is prodigious and he's ending up thriving at every level of the minors before landing in Pittsburgh a couple weeks ago. He still has his holes though, as his debut has shown. Beyond the well-known, massive platoon split (which he actually reversed in 2010, if nobody noticed), he's put up high strikeout rates everywhere's been along with his big power numbers, leaving some to wonder if he'll end up being a three-true-outcomes type of hitter.
Even so, Alvarez's star is one of the brightest on the team, as he's one of the few players in the system that you can truly point to as a potential impact bat. Even with a move over to first base, his bat should have little trouble playing there.
Second Base: Neil Walker, Opening Day 2013 Age: 27, Current level: MLB
This is probably one of the bigger surprises at this point in the season, as Walker came into the year as a below-average defensive third baseman with mediocre Triple-A performance over the course of the past three seasons. But the Pirates moved Walker, who was once the 11th overall pick in the 2004 draft, to second base this season, and apparently something clicked offensively along with that.
A monster start in Triple-A (.319/.391/.564 in 163 PA) and the complete failure of Akinori Iwamura in the majors opened up the everyday job for Walker at the big league level, and he's grabbed a solid hold of it in his first 28 games. His defense at second is still clearly a work in progress, but his .295/.325/.464 line has been better than average, and there's reason to believe that Walker's defense should improve over time given his inexperience there.
ZiPS appears to be buying into Walker's performance, projecting a solid .329 wOBA from here on out. He may not be a star, but the emergence of cheap, solid everyday players like Walker will be tantamount as the Pirates try to build a winning roster.
Third Base: Andy LaRoche, Opening Day 2013 Age: 29, Current level: MLB
I know, I know, this one isn't particularly likely. Frankly, at this point it wouldn't surprise me if LaRoche has lost his job as the Pirates' third baseman altogether. But given that Alvarez has one of 1B/3B locked up and my options essentially came down to LaRoche, Garrett Jones, Steven Pearce, Delwyn Young and Jeff Clement, it occurred to me that the defensive upgrade from moving Alvarez to first in favor of LaRoche would probably off-set the offensive improvement created by playing Pearce, Jones or Clement at first base with Alvarez sticking at third.
For all of LaRoche's struggles and disappointments, he actually put up a pretty solid 2.6 WAR in his Age 25/26 season, flashing a good glove and enough bat to be a useful everyday player, albeit not a particularly good one. Obviously he hasn't been the same player this season, as infield flies continue to eat him alive offensively and his glovework has taken a step back.
But he does appear to be young enough and talented enough to at the very least return to his 2009 level of performance, which would make him a solid regular, and as I noted with Walker, the Pirates desperately need those kind of players. Then again, I certainly see why someone would prefer Jones or Clement at first and Alvarez at third if you bought into one of those bats enough and considered Alvarez an adequate defender, which most believe he'll be at least in the short-term.
Shortstop: Chase d'Arnaud, Opening Day 2013 Age: 26, Current level: Double-A
It took the Pirates a pretty long time to find a good shortstop prospect (sorry, I was never big on Brian Bixler...), but it appears that they finally have one in d'Arnaud. The Pepperdine product had an underwhelming short-season debut in 2008, but he emerged in 2009 with solid defense and a patient approach, leading to some very impressive results.
Splitting the season between Single-A and Advanced Single-A almost evenly, d'Arnaud finished the season with a .289/.393/.453 line. But most impressively, he put up a walk rate over 12% and a strikeout rate under 17%, along with 17 hit-by-pitches to boot. Those kind of on-base skills are always handy, but especially from a solid defensive shortstop with a little power (.164 isolated power) and speed (31-for-39 on steals) like d'Arnaud.
His offensive upside is pretty limited and some project him as just a utility infielder, although it's pretty easy to conceive a scenario in which he becomes a good regular. But in a system that's seriously lacking in terms of middle infield talent, d'Arnaud is by far the best prospect they have.
Left field: Jose Tabata, Opening Day 2013 Age: 24, Current level: MLB
Once a well-regarded prospect in the Yankees' system, Tabata was the centerpiece to the Xavier Nady/Damaso Marte trade back in 2008, and has since taken hold of the Pirates' left field job. Tabata has always been an interesting prospect because of his hitting ability, but the doubt about his ability to play center field and his power potential left some questioning his status as a top prospect.
Tabata may never be much of a center fielder, but luckily he won't have to be in Pittsburgh, and there's reason to believe that with the strides he's taken this season he'll have enough bat to be a pretty good everyday player in an outfield corner. Tabata has always been a hitter that's hit the ball into the ground a lot, which is part of why scouts worried about his power potential, and things have been no different in 2010. The real difference in 2010? Tabata decided to give stealing bases a try. In 2008-2009, Tabata stole a total of 29 bases in 198 games. In 2010, though? How about 25 steals in 53 games. Maybe Tabata realized that the power was never totally going to come, so maybe it's time to take advantage of what's apparently some pretty good speed on the base paths.
But when a hole opened up in the Pirates' outfield and Tabata was sitting pretty in Triple-A with a .323/.384/.442 line and all of those steals, Pittsburgh decided to hand him the everyday job and the lead-off spot in the batting order. Tabata has responded somewhat solidly, with a good K/BB ratio and quality defense in left field, although the power is clearly going to be sub-par for a left fielder. Either way, Tabata is looking like a good bet to be a Pirate for a long while.
Center field: Andrew McCutchen, Opening Day 2013 Age: 26, Current level: MLB
By far the easiest selection on the roster, it'd probably be more useful to outline just how good McCutchen is already rather than give you any background on the Pirates' franchise player.
McCutchen is a fascinating player to watch, a rare legitimate five-tool center fielder whose harnessed all five tools while becoming one of the game's elite center fielders. McCutchen combines good hitting ability (.301 BA), plus power (.156 ISO) and plus speed (19 steals) with the tools to be a plus defender in center field, although his defense hasn't been graded too nicely by UZR thus far.
After putting up a 3.3 WAR in his debut 2009, he's on pace for a 4.3 WAR season right now, and that's with defensive marks that likely don't reflect his actual skill level. If you're either looking for the one guy in a Pirates uniform right now who might win an MVP one day or an elite-level center fielder, McCutchen is probably a good place to start.
Right field: Starling Marte, Opening Day 2013 Age: 24, Current level: Advanced Single-A (Disabled List)
Marte has a ways to go before reaching the 'Burgh, but once he gets there he could probably make his impression on the locals in a hurry. Described by John Sickels as having "uber-tools" before the season, Marte's upside is among the highest in the system, and he's likely to be a top-5 prospect within the organization coming into next season.
Known for blazing speed, Marte has spent time in both right and center field, but obviously right field is his most likely destination as long as Mr. McCutchen is around. A larger problem with Marte may be his health though, as he's likely to miss the vast majority of this season after having surgery to repair a fractured hamate bone last month. Obviously, if he loses that much development time, it makes it far less likely that he'll be able to make it to Pittsburgh by Opening Day 2013. But at the same time, he's a solid step above anyone else currently in the system, and there's still a good chance that he could make it by 2013 if he's healthy for all of 2011 and 2012.
I just wasn't ready to put someone like Robbie Grossman or Lastings Milledge in this spot, although at this point it might be fair to say that Milledge has the inside track on keeping his job for now.
The Starting Rotation.
No. 1: RHP Jameson Tallion, Opening Day 2013 Age: 21, Current level: Unsigned first-round draft pick
No. 2: RHP Brad Lincoln, Opening Day 2013 Age: 27, Current level: MLB
No. 3: LHP Rudy Owens, Opening Day 2013 Age: 25, Current level: Double-A
No. 4: RHP Bryan Morris, Opening Day 2013 Age: 26, Current level: Double-A
No. 5: RHP Tim Alderson, Opening Day 2013 Age: 24, Current level: Double-A
Clearly, getting some more pitching is something that this organization is going to have to address in the next couple years, although they did another nice job in the draft by landing two guys with ace-upside in Tallion and high school right-hander Stetson Allie.
Tallion was a consensus top-3 pick in this year's draft thanks to easily the best raw stuff of any pitcher entering, including a fastball that can touch 98 and a mid-80's slider. Like with any high school pitcher, the 6-6 Tallion's command, control and offspeed stuff are all pretty raw, but few pitchers in the minors will be able to match his upside from the moment that he first takes the mound. He's by far Pittsburgh's best prospect now, and while it's not particularly likely that he'll be able to make it to the majors by 2013, let alone by Opening Day 2013, he's really the only guy in that system that could appropriately follow the No. 1 label.
Like Tallion, Lincoln was an elite pitching prospect coming into his respective draft, with the Pirates nabbing him with the fourth overall pick. He was considered one of the better pitching prospects in the game before being forced to have major elbow surgery, which effectively wiped out his entire 2007 campaign. Lincoln returned in 2008 with diminished raw stuff, and while he's never been able to regain what the injury took away from him in terms of velocity and movement, he continued his march through the Pirates' system while putting up good numbers. He's now established in the Pirates' rotation and has a 4.33 FIP in his first five starts. While his upside is now pretty limited, he seems like a good bet to be a consistent back-of-the-rotation guy for a while, and that should be pretty valuable to the Pirates for the next five years or so.
The lone lefty in the rotation, Owens wasn't really regarded as much of a prospect before a breakout full-season debut in 2009 split between Single-A and advanced Single-A. Due to underwhelming raw stuff he went mostly under-the-radar while spending 2007 and 2008 in short-season ball, but impeccable command has made him someone to watch since the beginning of last season. His K/BB ratio in his 2009 debut? How about 126 strikeouts versus 19 walks in 139 innings. I'll just toss those rates out there: 8.14 K/9, 1.23 BB/9, 6.62 K/BB. He's moved up to Double-A this season and while his respective rates K/9, BB/9 and K/BB marks of 6.60, 1.68 and 3.93 aren't as impressive, he's also seen significant improvement in his HR/9 thanks to a 10% increase in GB rate. If you like lefties that can really locate their stuff, then you'll love Rudy Owens.
As for Morris, he's essentially Neal Huntington's final hope for getting some premium value out of the Jason Bay trade. Drafted by the Dodgers 26th overall in the 2006 draft, Morris lasted just 59 innings in pro ball before going under the knife to have Tommy John surgery, missing all of the 2007 season. He returned surprisingly strong at Single-A to begin 2008, which led to his inclusion as a key piece of the Bay deal along with Andy LaRoche, Craig Hansen and Brandon Moss. The Pirates brought him up to Advanced Single-A Bradenton in 2009, and the results were underwhelming: a truly ugly 32/34 K/BB ratio in 80 innings. Morris did have an impressive 56% groundball rate to fall back on, but a K/BB ratio below 1 is ugly no matter how you slice it, especially from a 22-year-old in the lower minors. But Morris appears to finally be back 100% in 2010, and after absolutely dominating at Bradenton to begin the season, he's continued to thrive at Double-A Altoona since being promoted. On the season he's got a 82/22 K/BB and a 52% GB rate in 93 innings, good for a spectacular 2.86 FIP. At 23, Morris isn't exactly young, but the mileage on his arm is pretty limited and he's already closing in on his career-high for innings pitched in a single season. That being said, Morris' performance this season has re-established him as one of the team's best pitching prospects, particularly if 2013 is the target date.
For the No. 5 spot, I kept waffling between Alderson, Nathan Adcock, Jeff Locke and Zack Von Rosenberg, but opted for Alderson because he seems to be the most likely to stick in a big league rotation by 2013. The first three were key names in respective trades for Freddy Sanchez, Jack Wilson and Nate McLouth, while Von Rosenberg was signed away from a commitment to LSU for $1.2M last summer after being picked in the sixth round of last year's draft. Von Rosenberg has easily the most upside of the four pitchers, but he's also just 18 and is by far the most raw pitcher of the group, too. Projecting him to not only make the rotation, but make it by 2013, would be a pretty tall order (despite the fact that I was willing to include Tallion on the roster). Then again, Von Rosenberg isn't at Tallion's level. As for Adcock and Locke, they both the performance in the minors but I'm skeptical about whether they'll be able to stick in a big league rotation. Adcock's raw stuff is pretty lacking, and while he has the build of a starter, there are a lot of question marks there. As for Locke, the rawness of his offspeed stuff is a serious issue, and while the numbers in Single-A are pretty awesome so far, he's also 22 and repeating the level. Alderson's decline in velocity over the years has been well-documented, but he still has great command and a good feel for pitching, so there's good reason to believe that he'll be able to make it in the back of a rotation even with a high-80's fastball. Then again, some people view Alderson as a borderline non-prospect at this point, so taking one of the other pitchers is certainly a reasonable and defensible thing to do.
Closer: Evan Meek, Opening Day 2013 Age: 29, Current level: MLB
I'm glad that I included the closer role in this series so I can talk about someone like Evan Meek. In case you've missed it, Meek is currently showing off a 1.02 ERA in 44 innings with the Bucs so far this season. His peripherals don't quite match that kind of performance, which is borderline unsustainable for even the best relievers in history, but his respective FIP and xFIP marks of 2.62 and 3.08 indicate that Meek has truly emerged as one of the best relievers in baseball.
Always a hard-thrower, Meek's not only taken to throwing strikes these days, but he's seen a solid uptick on his fastball velocity, as it now sits consistently in the 94-97 range with an average velocity of 95.1 on the year. With the drastically improved command of his fastball, Meek has seen his BB/9 cut from 5.55 in 2009 to just 2.05 in 2010, all the while maintaining his above average strikeout and groundball rates. Meek isn't the closer yet because of the presence of veteran Octavio Dotel, and he may have to compete with Joel Hanrahan for the job going forward, as Hanrahan's under control through 2013, too. But Meek's pitched like a closer so far this season, and there's little reason to believe that he won't pitch his way into the role in the near future.
All statistical information is courtesy of FanGraphs.com and MinorLeagueSplits.com, and all of the contract information is courtesy of Cot's Contracts.
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They still have more work to do, but they’re headed in a solid direction IMO.
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The emergences of Owens last year and Morris this year have been pretty big, in my opinion
Pitching was clearly the biggest hole in the system the past two years, but I think they’ve done a pretty solid job of infusing the system with good young pitchers, especially through the draft. But the thing is that a lot of those draft guys, guys like Tallion, Von Rosenberg, Allie, Cain, Dodson, Pounders, Stevenson and Black, probably have a ways to go before reaching the majors.
I’m very interested to see how this thing plays out in Pittsburgh, particularly with the pitching.
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by Satchel Price on Jul 1, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Sadly this is best looking team that would be assembled during this horrendous loosing streak. They have done a good job of rebuilding a franchise and a minor league system that was barren. The biggest question is the young pitchers and how they progress.
Loving these write ups and all the writers on this site are amazing. Keep up the good work!
"Give him the heater Ricky."
Great post!
I saw your Baltimore post the other day and (somewhat before and more after) have been mentally preparing and jotting down notes to write a similar article over at Bucsdugout.com (the Pirates SB site).
I’ll be somewhat comparing lists, but please don’t take any differences I menetion as negative or criticism. The main differences in our lists will probably stem from changes I use in picking players. Notably, you only include players in the system or draft picks of this year that will most likely sign, while I’ll be throwing in one educated guess.
Also, I’m gonna use slashes to indicate different possiblites with the following key
Bold – virtual lock
Italics – likely or expected
Normal – possible, but not likely
So without a further ado
Your 2013 Pirates lineup
CATCHER
Tony Sanchez/Jason Jaramillo/Ryan Doumit
Tony Sanchez, the first round pick of the Pirates in the 2009 June draft, was considered by most experts to be a sizeable reach. Still, due to their scouting reports on Sanchez and the belief that beyond Strasburg and Ackley, no player was a clear consensus third pick, much less fourth pics, the Pirates were happy to select Tony. Also to their advantage and liking, the Pirates front office was able to sign him quickly and cheaply, allowing them to spend on overslot picks later (see : Colton Cain, Zach Von Rosenberg). Projecting as more of an average to above average everyday catcher, rather than a star, Sanchez still could be a very useful piece in the future for the Pirates.
Jason Jaramillo has proved himself to a be capable backup to Ryan Doumit. As an everyday catcher he should provide well above average defense and an below average to average bat void of much pop. Still, you could do worse.
Doumit would need to receive a contract extension to be around in 2013 and the prospects for that look slim.
FIRST BASE
Pedro Alvarez/Garrett Jones/Steven Pearce
Technically, you could consider Alvarez a virtual lock as either the first baseman or third baseman of the Pirates in 2013. While many pundits believe his defense may force him to first (which won’t be an issue since his bat should/will play anywhere) I personally believe it won’t be his defense as much as the hole at first that and the possibility of another elite talent coming along that can play third base very well (more on that in a bit). Only time will tell, but for now, I’m writing him in at first base.
Garett Jonesand Steven Pearce look like they are the main competitors to man first base if Alvarez has no reason to move. My money would be on Jones as the more established pro, but Pearce has youth on his side. Both (as far as the Pirates are concerned) have the fact that neither will have hit Free Agency by 2013 on their sides.
SECOND BASE
Neil Walker/Andy LaRoche
This one I’m gonna go out on a bit of a limb by menetioning LaRoche, but let me explain. For the better portion of 2009, Walker was thrown under the bus or had fallen off the map; choose your analogy. I stuck with him. Now that he’s having success, and so many are rushing to anoint him the second baseman of the future. Obviously thats a solid possibility, but his sample size of success is still very small. (note: His defense has looked amazing at 2B so far, so much so that people are suggesting trying him at SS in Arizona this winter). As such, I’m still taking a wait and see approach.
And the guy who may be waiting if Walker stumbles is LaRoche. Thrown further unde the bus than Walker, LaRoche is still young, talented, and should be athletic enough to move to 2B. My money is on Walker, and by a decent margin, but don’t count Walker out.
SHORTSTOP
Chase D’Arnaud/Argenis Diaz
Shortstop is easily the biggest, glaringingest (not a word) hole in the Pirates organziation. That’s pretty obvious when your best bets are a SS who has questions about a defense and still hasn’t really passed AA despite not being particularly young (D’Arnaud) or a SS in AAA who I can’t hit better than. ‘Nuff said. Still, if D’Arnaud puts it together, he could be an above average or even better SS.
THIRD BASE
Anthony Rendon/Pedro Alvarez
Surprise! Here is where I bend the rules a bit and play into my fandom rather than my common sense. The likely #1 pick overall next year, Rendon is one of the best college hitters of recent memory, arguably (and its a very good argument, rather than those weak ones that usually are associated with the word arguably) better than a current Pirate, Pedro Alvarez. In essence, if the Pirates do own his rights next year and sign him, I would have no problem putting his name in bold.
Alvarez is at third base already, and while he is struggling, he is too talented not to be an above average regular by 2013 at the very worst, and a borderline MVP at the best.
LEFT FIELD
Jose Tabata
While many things could happen between 2013 and here, I’m basically sure Tabata will be in the Pirates OF. LF seems most likely, so I’m putting him in as a lock. A former Yankee farmhand, Tabata was traded over for Nady and Marte in 2008. Since then, while his power hasn’t developed as hoped, his speed and baserunning skills have seen a dramatic improvement, making him a surprising potentially elite leadoff hitter.
CENTER FIELD
Andrew McCutchen
The lock of locks, McCutchen is already one of the best CF in all of baseball. If you somehow don’t know anything about him or need to know more; www.google.com/AndrewMcCutchen
RIGHT FIELD
Garrett Jones/Starling Marte/Lastings Milledge
Next to SS, RF is probably the most voliatile of all postions in the coming future for the Pirates. Jones has two positives and one negative. He’s cheap and controlled and already has established success at the ML level. The negative is that he’s old. Marte is the exact opposite. With otherworldly potential and physical gifts, Marte is as raw and as young as they come. He could be a huge star or a huge nothing. On the bright side of the calamity, opposite ends of the spectrum, with Milledge, who is also young and has potential, although he has yet to cash in on it, in the middle, RF should end up as a solid contributer to the 2013 Pirates.
Since I’m at work, I’m gonna stop there for now and will try and get back to add the rotation, bullpen, and bench later.
(Preview : I think you’re short-changing Morris, reports have him hitting 97 this year)
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jul 1, 2010 3:23 PM EDT reply actions
Oh and while I don't claim
to have the most current inside information, as far as I know the rumor about Alvarez being demoted is just that, a rumor.
Again, thanks, great post!
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jul 1, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
While hoping for the #1 pick is all well and good it would scare me that the newly brought up rookies aren’t winning, or doing enough to win. I’d hope though, that all the losing is because of the poor pitching on the team right now (minus a few good pitchers, of course). Which would improve as the young pitchers progress to the MLB team.
"Give him the heater Ricky."
Mixed feelings about this
On the one hand, I kind of agree that if the team isn’t good enough to avoid being the very worst team in baseball even after Andrew McCutchen, Pedro Alvarez, Jose Tabata, Brad Lincoln and Neil Walker have been called up, we’re in a lot of trouble.
On the other hand, the weakness of this team has most definitely been the starting pitching. That’s partly because it’s a pitch-to-contact staff with a bad defense behind it, partly because Charlie Morton, the only guy with swing-and-miss stuff got shellacked in his first month or so and was demoted, partly because of injuries leading to guys like Jeff Karstens, Brian Burres and Daniel McCutchen getting more starts in 2010 than they should probably receive ever again. In the end, it’s culminated in Jeff Karstens leading the team in WHIP, himself with a pretty pedestrian 1.42.
I suppose Brad Lincoln has the potential to become a moderate strikeout guy (like a 6-7 K/9), but let’s just say I’m not expecting a Strasburgian rookie year from him.
So with the pitching considered, I feel like if we can hit like an average or better team from here on out, but still lose enough to draft Rendon because of the pitching, it’s the best of both worlds.
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That’s three fairly huge question marks in the lineup (and one more with questions as well), as well as two starting pitchers who probably won’t be there (Taillon probably won’t be ready by the beginning of the year, and Alderson isn’t good enough for now).
If the outfield alignment ends up with those three, Tabata should be in right field due to his arm, while either Cutch or Marte could end up in center. Marte is a question mark with the bat, as his calling card is mostly speed and covering ground in the outfield. Marte could reach his ceiling as a very good defense-first center fielder, but he has development left and questions to answer on the hitting side.
Sanchez has been both a surprise and disappointment this year. He hit better than expected, but the arm strength hasn’t been there on the defensive end. With a lot of Sanchez’s value tied up in defense, the arm has to be a concern. Hopefully he can recover if he was weighted down by an arm injury.
D’Arnaud is more likely a utility player to me (the glove could survive at short if he had a good bat, which hasn’t been the case from what I saw in around 5-6 Curve games). LaRoche’s hitting ability is still very questionable, 2.6 win season aside.
The conclusion here is that the Pirates, to me, need to either spend or make some savvy trades to get that group to even .500 in 2013. But a wining record is at least possible with some of this young core.
And hopefully the winning record
will entice the free agents we need to fill those holes, the checks will be written, and we can make a playoff run.
Looking for your opinion on the OF. You said Tabata should be in right due to this arm? I’ve always been under the impression his arm is above average, but nothing special. I’ve also been under the impression (and have seen him in person a handful of times) that Marte has a plus to plus plus arm, in both strength and accuracy. (Others disagree: here)
If that’s the case, and since Tabata looks pretty darn fast, what about Tabata – Cutch – Marte. Defensively thats a stud OF, although it will most likely lack power, but hey, runs are runs, right?
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by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Jul 2, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I believe that Marte has an impressive arm as well
And given that Marte’s range is better than Tabata’s, too, it would make more sense to put Marte in right field.
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by Satchel Price on Jul 2, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve seen him last year on the WV Power. From what I’ve seen, he has a better arm than Cutch (whose is mediocre/average), but I didn’t see a cannon. Others’ reports on Marte’s arm seem to be diverse.
The other reason I’m skeptical of writing Marte’s name as a positive contributer in 2013 right now is defensive instincts. Speed to burn isn’t enough to be a plus or even average center fielder. Instincts and route-running are also required. Even Cutch is average or below defensively in center field, despite being a great runner and covering ground. From what I’ve seen, Marte can be a great defensive CF, but it’s not going to come easy.
Overall, there are still serious questions on Marte, Sanchez, and Taillon (also, to a lesser extent, Morris and Owens, although I think they are safe contributors barring injury). For me, there are doubts about LaRoche, D’Arnaud, and Alderson. But, some of the foundation is in place.
by Adam Reynolds on Jul 2, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, when doing an exercise like this you're not going to see that many locks on a team like the Pirates
I would probably consider McCutchen, Alvarez, Tabata, Meek, and Lincoln to be relative locks, and there’s a good amount of likeliness in having Walker, Sanchez and Owens around, too.
I would probably consider Tallion and Marte to be the biggest long-shots, and I think there are some very good questions surrounding Alderson, Morris, LaRoche and d’Arnaud, too.
But frankly, if you did this same exercise with the Pirates three years ago, the outlook would be uglier, I would think.
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by Satchel Price on Jul 2, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not sure if you COULD do this exercise three years ago with the Pirates. There was absolutely no talent in the system back then and almost everyone on the Major League roster was nearing their decline and heading toward free agency. The team may still have a long way to go, but it’s come a long, long way.
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