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BtB's 50 Best of the Next 5 Years: No. 5 - No. 1

Wouldn't that be crazy if in baseball they did opening lineups the same way they did in basketball? You know, the lights dim, the fireworks and lasers begin, the music blares from loudspeakers, and you get to hear, "Leaaaaaaaaading off and playing shortstop tonight...   out of Kalaaaaaaaamazooooo Central High Schoooool...  Number Two...     DERRRRREK JEEEEEETERRRRRRRR!!!!!!" Fireworks explode, Jeter comes onto the field covered in spotlights while hopping around and high-fiving his non-starting teammates. Doesn't that just sound like a fan's dream?

...   Yeah, maybe not. In fact, that all sounds pretty freakin' awful. But on the other hand, those kind of festivities might be appropriate for today, as we go through the concluding five players on our list of the 50 Best Players of the Next 5 Years. Now unfortunately, nobody agreed to any sort of big ceremony with pretty lights and shiny trophies, so we'll have to settle for a nice post with a pretty picture instead.

And for those of you who missed all the fun last week or just want a reminder of who else made the list and how we went about projecting this stuff, here's the first portion of the rankings (No. 41-50), along with the second (No. 31-40), third (No. 21-30), fourth (No. 11-20), and fifth (No. 6-10) pieces. And as a healthy reminder, this list reflects only the value of on-field performance, completely ignoring salary and contract status. A win is a win, whether it put the team back $2 million or $12 million. For Steve's projection method, click here.

I'm sure that the anticipation is killing all of you guys though, so we'll kick it off with one of the least surprising inclusions on our list.

No. 5: 1B Albert Pujols, St. Louis (Age 29; Total projected WAR: 30.29; WAR Years 1-5: 6.9, 6.5, 6.2, 5.7, 5.1)

Well-regarded as baseball's best hitter and player, Pujols would probably be one of the most common players listed if you polled the public to do a similar set of rankings. Pretty much the ultimate hitter, Pujols leaves the career's of young pitchers drowning in his wake, with a combination of power, patience and innate hitting ability that makes him one of the best hitters of all-time. One of the few players with career numbers that actually compare favorably to all-time greats, Pujols is a guy who's been so impressive in his first nine-plus years in St. Louis that he would probably get a good deal of Hall of Fame support even if he retired today.

In his nine full seasons, he's never put up a wOBA below .400 or a WAR below 5.7, and his WAR hasn't dipped below 7.9 since 2002. Not only does he provide essentially every skill that one could hope for in a hitter, but he's a smart baserunner and one of the best defensive first basemen in the game, a jack of all trades.

Put it all together, and even with the monster decline in true talent level predicted by Steve, Pujols still grades out as the fifth-best player of the next five years. Pujols has put up RAA's over +70 in each of the past two seasons, with just one RAA mark below +65 since 2002, but Steve projects that kind of dominance to end immediately in Year 1. Pujols remains a +50 RAA or better bat for just two years before decline brings him into the upper-40's in RAA.

Pujols' defense never grades out as worse than league average, but with a bat that deteriorates so quickly, particularly between his 2009 performance and the initial year of the projections, it's not surprising that Pujols isn't atop this list. If this list had been done a few years ago, he absolutely would've been at or very near the top, but the fact that his initial decline phase still puts him up among the five best players in the game is pretty impressive, I would say.

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No. 4: OF Justin Upton, Arizona (Age 22; Total projected WAR: 30.68; WAR Years 1-5: 5.3, 6.0, 6.3, 6.5, 6.6)

Over the last week, I've seen a decent amount of discussion here on BtB about who would make the top 5 on this list. Generally speaking, four of the names came together pretty quickly, but readers seemed to have a difficult time discerning who the fifth man would be. It wasn't until this morning that reader BlackOps finally made the correct guess: it would be Mr. Upton.

Now, it seems like some of you might've already forgotten a little bit, but Upton broke out in a Heyward-like way last season. After a solid showing in his 2008 rookie season, Upton came into 2009 as Arizona's everyday right fielder and put up a 4.6 WAR as a 21-year-old on the back of a .388 wOBA and defense that graded out above-average. Now, nobody was that surprised though, as Upton was once regarded as one of the best high school position player prospects ever before being picked No. 1 overall by Arizona, and was ranked as the No. 2 prospect in all of baseball by Baseball America before the 2007 season.

So when he mashed through the minor leagues on the way to establishing himself as an MLB star, few people were particularly surprised, and a lot of people actually expected it. Even with all of his success though, Upton has still had a lot of trouble with strikeouts, issues that have really cropped up again in 2010 with his early-season struggles. That being said, he showed in 2009 that he can get his strikeout rate in check, and few players can be more dangerous than Upton when they're making contact on a consistent basis.

Our projections actually see Upton improving again in Year 1, with a slight improvement from his RAA per 150 games from +31.3 to +34.6, although his defense grades out as closer to average. The improvement on offense is consistent with Upton, as he doesn't reach his peak Age-27 season until Year 5, at which point we project Upton for a +52 RAA on his way to a 6.8 WAR that actually is the best in baseball in Year 5.

With his combination of offensive upside and youth, pretty much nobody should be surprised to see Upton on this list, even if you're like half-surprised that he's this high.

No. 3: 3B Evan Longoria, Tampa Bay (Age 24; Total projected WAR: 32.27; WAR Years 1-5: 6.3, 6.5, 6.6, 6.6, 6.2)

If we were doing this based on value relative to salary and contract status, Longoria would be the easy winner like he was in FanGraphs' Trade Value Series. But the brilliance of Longoria's contract [from Tampa Bay's perspective] has been spoken of at length, so let's focus on just Longoria's on-field greatness here.

Longoria was pretty much destined to be a star from Day 1, as an elite draft pick that became an elite prospect before immediately establishing himself as an elite player. With an elite bat and an elite glove, you've probably noticed the whole pattern with Longoria here: he's really, really good at pretty much everything. After putting up respective WAR marks of 5.3 and 7.1 in his first two seasons with the Rays, he's actually on pace to surpass both of those marks in 2010, as he's continued to develop as a hitter.

Longoria utilizes big raw power with an improving approach at the plate, he's consistently cut down on his strikeout rate while improving his contact rates and batting averages since arriving in the majors. Combine that kind of bat with one of the best 3B gloves in the game, and you have Mr. Longoria, an absolute beast on the field.

Our projections essentially see Longoria repeating his big 2009 performance in Year 1 but with a less impressive defensive effort (+17.7 UZR in '09, +10.1 UZR in Year 1). There isn't much room for improvement for the 24-year-old former shortstop, as his RAA range from +29 to +35, while his UZR only ranges from +6.4 to +10.1. Within any season, Longoria isn't projected to be the best hitter or defender in the game, but he shows remarkable consistency in being well above average in all facets of the game, which lends towards him being ranked as the third-best player of the next five years.

No. 2: C Joe Mauer, Minnesota (Age 27; Total projected WAR: 32.85; WAR Years 1-5: 7.1, 6.8, 6.6, 6.3, 6.0)

One of the game's best hitters and easily the game's best catcher, Mauer may never be able to repeat his historic 2009 performance, but he's still in line to be one of the all-time great backstops ever before everything is said and done. One of the few players to put up an 8+ single-season WAR in the FanGraphs Era (2002-present), Good Ol' Joe is often regarded as the AL's best player these days, as an above average defensive catcher that's often regarded as one of the best hitters in baseball.

While his power burst from last season likely isn't sustainable, his ISO last season was .222 compared to a .155 career mark and his HR/FB was completely out of line with his career norms, he's still a well above average hitter thanks to an unreal ability to make contact and a textbook approach at the plate. He's posted OBP's over .400 in three different seasons, with a career OBP mark of .407, and he's already won three batting titles, which is three more than any other AL catcher has ever won.

Basically, Mauer is like few players we've ever seen before, and the projections do a good job of reflecting that. While the first five full years of Mauer's career were impressive (26.8 WAR), we actually project him to build on that a good deal in the next five seasons, despite the fact that he'll already be nearing 32 by the end of the projections. His bat will never again reach the historic heights of 2009 (+56 RAA), but a return to his previous career-high levels is projected, with a +35 RAA in Year 1.

Even with a bat that declines progressively in each season, Mauer is easily one of the most productive players in the game as an above average defensive catcher. No other catcher comes even close to projecting like Mauer as a hitter, and the ones that are within even 15 RAA of Mauer annually are regarded as below average defensively. This guy is truly a marvel to watch, and apparently project as well.

No. 1: SS Hanley Ramirez, Florida (Age 26; Total projected WAR: 33.59; WAR Years 1-5: 7.1, 7.1, 6.7, 6.5, 6.2)

What? You weren't expecting Stephen Strasburg here, were you?

Hanley's greatness at shortstop has become so routine in the past five years that I think that some people forget that on a year-to-year basis, he's often putting up among the very best numbers in the game.

His dominance with the bat has been well-documented, which isn't surprising. This is a guy with three straight .400+ wOBA's under his belt. In those three seasons, he's put up at least a .300 batting average, .386 OBP, .200 isolated power and a RAA of at least +43 in each respective season. This guy has put up a 30-30 season, two 50+ steal seasons, a .342 batting average in 2009, and in 2008 he managed to get just 67 RBIs despite hitting 33 home runs with a batting average over .300. To put things simply, Hanley is an absolute monster with the lumber.

But what makes Hanley truly special is that he's shortstop, and he's actually developed into a pretty solid one. People often hear about Hanley's poor defense, work ethic and hustle, but few players do more with their talent than Ramirez does, even if that's partially because he seems to have an infinite well of it. 

Ramirez developed the reputation as an awful defender after putting up respective UZR and DRS marks of -21 and -28 in full-time duty in 2007, his second straight season with below average defensive marks. But he's shown significant improvement since then, with accumulative UZR and DRS marks of -1.6 and +7 since the beginning of the 2008 season, indicating that he's roughly average with the glove.

Our projections disagree with that notion, labeling Ramirez as below average for the duration of the projections, starting with a -4.7 mark in Year 1 before dropping down to -8.6 in Year 5. What's astonishing though, is that even though we are seemingly underrating his defense somewhat, he's still projected as baseball's best player over the next five seasons.

The projections see little reason to believe that Ramirez won't continue to be a +40 RAA or better bat, projecting him as no worse than +41 in any season, peaking with marks of +46.7 and +46.9 in Years 1 and 2, respectively. He projects as the fourth-best hitter in baseball over the next five years, behind only Pujols, Fielder and Upton. Notice that all of those guys play non-premium defensive positions though, while Ramirez tools his trade as a shortstop.

When we started outlining this series and speculating about what a list could look like, Ramirez was one of the first names that popped into my head as a candidate to go No. 1. It appears that his reputation does in fact match his on-field brilliance though, because BtB's projects Hanley to be baseball's best player over the next five seasons. Oh, and for a little perspective, Derek Jeter has been the game's best shortstop of the past five years, and he put up a total WAR of 25.3 over those five seasons. So yeah, we're anticipating that Hanley is about to have a pretty crazy run as the game's best player.

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Great job with this series

Really surprised not to see Robinson Cano in the top 50, even though he’s not very young. He’s second in the MLB in WAR this season, after all.

by YankeesRock on Jun 9, 2010 2:36 PM EDT reply actions  

I think Heyward and Tulo have a chance to break the top 5 while I could foresee Mauer and Upton falling out. I think Heyward’s a better overall hitter than Upton right now and will be for the foreseeable future. Mauer’s power surge from last year was an aberration in my opinion.

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by BenDuronio on Jun 9, 2010 2:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Jon Lester?

Lester couldn’t crack the top 50? Is this based solely on projected WAR and nothing else?

by goeaglesxxxix on Jun 9, 2010 2:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah only projected WAR

pitchers have it pretty tough with the “generic” aging curve. Lester is in the next 25 (51-75).

by stevesommer05 on Jun 9, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

FWIW

That total added to Pujols’s career WAR at B-R would 19th, mere runs behind Mel Ott and just ahead of Mike Schmidt. And doing so at a higher per-year pace than most players put up getting to that point. It would also put him less than 10 wins behind Lou Gehrig. Given the league quality differences, the per-year performance and the fact that he probably wouldn’t be done yet, I’d say if this is what Albert Pujols does for the next five years, in five years I’ll probably officially be calling Albert Pujols the greatest first baseman in the history of Major League Baseball.

This would also put Mauer about ten wins behind Bench. This would also put him just ahead of Rod Carew on top of the Twins’ all-time position player list (behind only Walter Johnson in franchise history, no one in Minnesota history).

I like how the top three on the list all play for franchises that have existed for less than 20 years. I think it goes without saying they’d all probably be the best in the history of their teams with this. Hanley probably already is. Upton probably has Johnson to deal with, though.

by philkid3 on Jun 9, 2010 2:55 PM EDT reply actions  

All of these things

Make me so very happy. =)

And this series was wonderful.

I can’t believe BtB doesn’t have more readership with content like this. It’s some of the best on the web.

by Patrick42 on Jun 9, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seeing Mauer at #2

Puts a big smile on my face…. Even a bigger smile is thinking that the Twins have him locked up long-term…. Nicely done with all of this!

by Mark Kieffer on Jun 9, 2010 3:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Kendry

Morales?

WTY's ERA+ = 156 : - ) -- Kevin Frandsen > Brandon Wood??????

by Figgi4life on Jun 9, 2010 6:27 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

He's 27 this year, likely starting his decline.

Guessing that, his lack of much defensive value, and a good-but-not-great OBP doomed him from making the top 50.

by Sky Kalkman on Jun 9, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I might bet that SOMEBODY puts together a 42 WAR stretch from 2011 to 2015.

But I wouldn’t bet on any one person doing it. If you project a bunch of 30-35 WAR guys, they all have a chance to hit 42 WAR, but each is at like 5%. Combine everybody’s chances, and you might hit 50%. Maybe.

Then again, it’s Pujols. So who the hell knows. Would be cool to see a list of the guy with the most WAR in the 5 previous seasons for every season in history…

by Sky Kalkman on Jun 9, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right

That’s the thing. These are all the mean projections, likely normally distributed (or there abouts). On a related note, it might be cool to go back 5 years ago and do this using Marcel or something… see what we would have predicted then. Problem is Marcel assumes league average for guys with no experience which hurts in an exercise like this as you see with guys like Heyward, Stanton etc. How long has ZIPs been around?

by stevesommer05 on Jun 9, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think ZiPS has been around at least five years.

For fun, here’s the 2005 WAR leader board (no pitchers)

Alex Rodriguez 9.4
Andruw Jones 8.3
Albert Pujols 7.9
Derrek Lee 7.6
Chase Utley 7.3
Brian Roberts 6.7
Morgan Ensberg 6.5
Brian Giles 6.2
Jim Edmonds 5.9
Mark Teixeira 5.9

by Sky Kalkman on Jun 10, 2010 6:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

ZiPS has been around since 2002 and before that, I did run a quasi-Marcel thing going back to 1998. It’s evolved over the years, however, as the ability of computers has increased – I wouldn’t even be able to fit ZiPS on my hard drive until about my 2002 computer, let alone run it.

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by D.Szymborski on Jun 10, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

ZiPS can actually project from any year. For Pujols, going into the 2006 season, his projections would be:

2006 – 332/425/613
2007 – 330/422/618
2008 – 329/422/616
2009 – 327/422/618
2010 – 324/420/612

Then a fairly slow decline. He’s done a bit better than ZiPS expected, going 333/439/630

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by D.Szymborski on Jun 10, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

baseball blogs and sporcle!

my two favorite internet activities, now combined

by awix on Jun 9, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's better than being on ESPN.com

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by fetch9 on Jun 9, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's pretty awesome, sporcle was huge at my high school

Although I’ll personally say that being on ESPN is a tad better. For all the love that I have for Sporcle, I think that ESPN provides a whole lot of great content.

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by Satchel Price on Jun 9, 2010 10:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

No love for Choo?

First, fantastic series – thanks for sharing!

I just don’t understand why CHONE is so conservative on Choo. The kid put up a solid 5 WAR season last year, was on that type of pace the year before had he not missed time to injury/recovery and, if I’m right, he’s on pace to nearly double CHONE’s projected WAR for 2010 (2.2 currently vs. 3.1 projected).

Personally I have a hard time believing Choo won’t outperform the guys listed 41 to 50 on this list over the next five years (assuming of course the “military” requirement is a non-issue). What do you guys think? Am I “off my rocker” or is it time to start paying this kid some attention?

by scstrato on Jun 9, 2010 11:04 PM EDT reply actions  

I picked him for most underrated when we did the poll earlier

So I tend to agree. I thought he’d come out higher as well. Don’t know why CHONE underrates him.

by stevesommer05 on Jun 9, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great series

Little surprised to see Hanley on top, would’ve figured Longoria or maybe Zimmerman

So in 5 years are you going to do a retrospective on the series to see how the top 50 did and who ended up being the actual top 50?

by NU Wildcat Offense on Jun 10, 2010 12:44 AM EDT reply actions  

League Bias?

Thirty one out of these fifty players are in the NL. Does anyone want to give me 3-2 odds on the AL winning more inter-league games over the next five years?

Now, I know that a majority of the top 50 players in one league doesn’t guarantee that the league is stronger but I doubt we’ll be looking back after 2015 saying that more than 60% of the best players over the past five years are in the NL.

by rickkaye on Jun 10, 2010 12:49 AM EDT reply actions  

Maybe Im to Royals biased...

But I can not believe Grady Sizemore made the list but Billy Butler didn’t, is his defense that much of a butcher on his WAR?

C'MON CHEN!!! ---Will Ferrell

by averagegatsby on Jun 10, 2010 8:07 PM EDT reply actions  

The position matters a lot, too. If both were average for their position, that's a 15 run (1.5 win) advantage for Sizemore.

Of course, the major injury is a major disadvantage for Sizemore.

Butler’s 59th, only 3 wins behind Sizemore. Alex Gordon is two wins behind Butler at 91st.

by Sky Kalkman on Jun 10, 2010 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can live with 59 I guess...

At a glance Sizemore seems terrible though, for his sake and the baseball fan in me I hope it is because of injury but Im beginning to think he is done.

Was Sizemore really that good of a defender before he got hurt?

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by averagegatsby on Jun 10, 2010 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just out of curiousity...

Where did Franklin Gutierrez rank?

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by Matt Erickson on Jun 12, 2010 2:04 PM EDT reply actions  

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