Great Hitters—but not so good at anything else
Kind of building on my earlier post about guys who were good at everything, I decided to search for guys who could hit the ball—but kinda stunk at every other aspect of the game. The search criteria was:
- greater than 100 Batting Runs
- less than 0 Baserunning, Avoiding Double Play, and Total Zone Runs
- less than or equal to 0 Infield Double Play, Outfield Arm, or Catching Runs
I kept guys who played premium positions (positional adjustment greater than zero) on the list since this was more about individual skills than overall value. Plus, I found it interesting to see some catchers ranking highly.
Here is the list (numbers from Rally's WAR database):
| Name | PlApp | Bat | BSrun | DP | TZ | IFDP | OFarm | catcher | Pos | WAR | TotalNeg |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Frank Thomas | 9953 | 766 | -26 | -27 | -63 | -4 | 0 | 0 | -195 | 75.9 | -120 |
| Fred McGriff | 10101 | 420 | -20 | -13 | -28 | -6 | 0 | 0 | -160 | 50.5 | -67 |
| Ted Simmons | 9574 | 208 | -13 | -27 | -21 | 0 | -4 | -8 | 70 | 50.4 | -73 |
| Ken Singleton | 8469 | 350 | -9 | -25 | -42 | 0 | -20 | 0 | -122 | 40.6 | -96 |
| Albert Belle | 6591 | 358 | -3 | -26 | -53 | 0 | -10 | 0 | -84 | 37.4 | -92 |
| Harold Baines | 10984 | 283 | -12 | -20 | -6 | 0 | -7 | 0 | -215 | 37.0 | -45 |
| Magglio Ordonez | 6958 | 277 | -7 | -24 | -26 | 0 | -11 | 0 | -82 | 34.9 | -68 |
| Ken Caminiti | 7044 | 144 | -1 | -7 | -7 | -2 | 0 | 0 | 11 | 33.0 | -17 |
| Bobby Bonilla | 8153 | 249 | -4 | -10 | -112 | 0 | -9 | 0 | -43 | 32.2 | -135 |
| Mickey Tettleton | 5677 | 158 | -18 | -3 | -24 | 0 | -4 | -26 | 3 | 27.8 | -75 |
| Travis Hafner | 3361 | 167 | -6 | -2 | -1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | -74 | 18.9 | -9 |
| Prince Fielder | 2772 | 136 | -16 | -1 | -29 | -3 | 0 | 0 | -43 | 12.0 | -49 |
TotalNeg is the combined total of everything besides Batting Runs and Positional Adjustment. We range from just barely below average (Travis Hafner's total is just -9) to greatly below average (Bobby Bonilla comes in at a whopping -135).
Ted Simmons (70), Ken Caminiti (11), and Mickey Tettleton (3) are the three players who have positive position value. Caminti has the closest TotalNeg (-17) to average of this trio, so he probably least deserves to be on this list. Simmons (-73 TotalNeg) and Tettleton (-75 TotalNeg) certainly deserve it.
Ordonez, Hafner, and Fielder are the active players who make it. If you, like I did, wonder how David Ortiz missed the list, it's because he entered 2010 with a DP of exactly zero. Baseball-Reference still has him at 0 for 2010 so far, so he's still toeing the line.
Personally, I find this kind of simple search interesting. Anything else in particular you'd like to see?
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Edgar
I’m surprised he isn’t on the list. What was he good at – base running?
by Sanctimonious Kid on Jun 5, 2010 11:52 AM EDT reply actions
Believe it or not
Total Zone had him as an above average defender (16 runs) before he was moved to DH. That’s one reason I dislike the “he’s a DH” knock on him. He didn’t need to be.
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by adarowski on Jun 5, 2010 12:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
True
I don’t know if TotalZone is totally right there, it’s a somewhat limited sample and TZ is far from perfect, but I think that his reputation as an absolutely awful defender is definitely unfair.
In fact, I’m not 100% on this, but didn’t the Mariners move Martinez to DH in 1995 primarily to stay healthy? He missed most of 1993 and part of 1994 while playing third base, but after moving to DH full-time in 1995 he played in seven straight full seasons through 2002.
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by Satchel Price on Jun 5, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, Edgar was mainly moved for his health.
by Dan Turkenkopf on Jun 5, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Seems to me that the Edgar's-Not-A-HOF argument
Doesn’t really have all that much merit if you really give him proper credit for his offensive brilliance.
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by Satchel Price on Jun 5, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I love that Bobby Bonilla was -100+ runs worse than average
Here’s a guy who desperately needed to be a DH, but got stuck in the NL his whole career.
Also interesting to me: Magglio Ordonez has been worth 35 WAR according to Rally. Definitely someone I don’t think of as a 35-win player career.
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Who are the "leaders" for total negative runs other than hitting?
How about doing simply hitting minus everything else?
While some of these negative numbers are laughable, I think it points out that even though defense and other things than hitting are important, a big bat can still be quite valuable all on its own.

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