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Great Hitters—but not so good at anything else

Kind of building on my earlier post about guys who were good at everything, I decided to search for guys who could hit the ball—but kinda stunk at every other aspect of the game. The search criteria was:

  • greater than 100 Batting Runs
  • less than 0 Baserunning, Avoiding Double Play, and Total Zone Runs
  • less than or equal to 0 Infield Double Play, Outfield Arm, or Catching Runs

I kept guys who played premium positions (positional adjustment greater than zero) on the list since this was more about individual skills than overall value. Plus, I found it interesting to see some catchers ranking highly.

Here is the list (numbers from Rally's WAR database):

Name PlApp Bat BSrun DP TZ IFDP OFarm catcher Pos WAR TotalNeg
Frank Thomas 9953 766 -26 -27 -63 -4 0 0 -195 75.9 -120
Fred McGriff 10101 420 -20 -13 -28 -6 0 0 -160 50.5 -67
Ted Simmons 9574 208 -13 -27 -21 0 -4 -8 70 50.4 -73
Ken Singleton 8469 350 -9 -25 -42 0 -20 0 -122 40.6 -96
Albert Belle 6591 358 -3 -26 -53 0 -10 0 -84 37.4 -92
Harold Baines 10984 283 -12 -20 -6 0 -7 0 -215 37.0 -45
Magglio Ordonez 6958 277 -7 -24 -26 0 -11 0 -82 34.9 -68
Ken Caminiti 7044 144 -1 -7 -7 -2 0 0 11 33.0 -17
Bobby Bonilla 8153 249 -4 -10 -112 0 -9 0 -43 32.2 -135
Mickey Tettleton 5677 158 -18 -3 -24 0 -4 -26 3 27.8 -75
Travis Hafner 3361 167 -6 -2 -1 0 0 0 -74 18.9 -9
Prince Fielder 2772 136 -16 -1 -29 -3 0 0 -43 12.0 -49

TotalNeg is the combined total of everything besides Batting Runs and Positional Adjustment. We range from just barely below average (Travis Hafner's total is just -9) to greatly below average (Bobby Bonilla comes in at a whopping -135).

Ted Simmons (70), Ken Caminiti (11), and Mickey Tettleton (3) are the three players who have positive position value. Caminti has the closest TotalNeg (-17) to average of this trio, so he probably least deserves to be on this list. Simmons (-73 TotalNeg) and Tettleton (-75 TotalNeg) certainly deserve it.

Ordonez, Hafner, and Fielder are the active players who make it. If you, like I did, wonder how David Ortiz missed the list, it's because he entered 2010 with a DP of exactly zero. Baseball-Reference still has him at 0 for 2010 so far, so he's still toeing the line.

Personally, I find this kind of simple search interesting. Anything else in particular you'd like to see?

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I’m surprised he isn’t on the list. What was he good at – base running?

by Sanctimonious Kid on Jun 5, 2010 11:52 AM EDT reply actions  

Believe it or not

Total Zone had him as an above average defender (16 runs) before he was moved to DH. That’s one reason I dislike the “he’s a DH” knock on him. He didn’t need to be.

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by adarowski on Jun 5, 2010 12:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

True

I don’t know if TotalZone is totally right there, it’s a somewhat limited sample and TZ is far from perfect, but I think that his reputation as an absolutely awful defender is definitely unfair.

In fact, I’m not 100% on this, but didn’t the Mariners move Martinez to DH in 1995 primarily to stay healthy? He missed most of 1993 and part of 1994 while playing third base, but after moving to DH full-time in 1995 he played in seven straight full seasons through 2002.

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by Satchel Price on Jun 5, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seems to me that the Edgar's-Not-A-HOF argument

Doesn’t really have all that much merit if you really give him proper credit for his offensive brilliance.

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by Satchel Price on Jun 5, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love that Bobby Bonilla was -100+ runs worse than average

Here’s a guy who desperately needed to be a DH, but got stuck in the NL his whole career.

Also interesting to me: Magglio Ordonez has been worth 35 WAR according to Rally. Definitely someone I don’t think of as a 35-win player career.

by SFiercex4 on Jun 5, 2010 2:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Who are the "leaders" for total negative runs other than hitting?

How about doing simply hitting minus everything else?

While some of these negative numbers are laughable, I think it points out that even though defense and other things than hitting are important, a big bat can still be quite valuable all on its own.

by Sky Kalkman on Jun 6, 2010 1:29 PM EDT reply actions  

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