Which team will improve the most in five years?
Friday High Fives
Coming off a week where we showed we can shoot fish in a barrel just as well as the next saber site, we asked our writers to share their thoughts on which team will improve the most over the next five years. Now, you can probably chalk some improvement up to dead cat bounce, but there really is significant hope for many of these teams. Here are the top five vote-getters:
| 1st | 2nd | 3rd | 4th | 5th | Total | Weighted | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Nationals | 5 | 2 | 1 | 8 | 36 | ||
| Orioles | 2 | 2 | 2 | 1 | 7 | 25 | |
| Indians | 2 | 1 | 3 | 6 | 20 | ||
| Mariners | 1 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 5 | 18 | |
| Pirates | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 6 | 16 |
Paul Cousineau: Signs of the coming success are already apparent in the nation's capital. Among teams that are at rock-bottom right now (meaning that there's nowhere to go but up), Cleveland and Baltimore have the most young talent. That being said, their success is probably going to come closer to the end of the 5-year window indicated.
J-Doug: The Nationals are already better than most people think they are.
Michael: The Nationals are likely to end up with two "generational" talents in Stephen Strasburg and Bryce Harper helping at the major league level in the next two years. Similarly, the hard work of Andy MacPhail to rebuild the Orioles' farm system should pay off in the next year or two.
Tommy: I like the front office additions of Pittsburgh and Cleveland. You can't go wrong with all those smart people.
Lar: The Nats are already showing that they can be a decent team with the personnel they have, and adding Strasburg and Harper over the next couple of years (to go along with Zimmerman) will be big.
Matt: Regarding the Mariners, I've backed off my all-in enthusiasm for Jack Z. I still think he's very good, I just think many of us (including me) got overly excited after the first group of moves (always the easiest part of being a new GM). That said, he's smart, he has a great record of player development in Milwaukee, the team has money, and given how bad they've been, they have plenty of room to grow.
Full list of results and author-by-author comments after the jump. As always, we'd love to hear your thoughts on the topic.
| Num | 1st | 2nd | 3rd | 4th | 5th | Total | Weighted | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Nationals | 5 | 2 | 1 | 8 | 36 | ||
| 2 | Orioles | 2 | 2 | 2 | 1 | 7 | 25 | |
| 3 | Indians | 2 | 1 | 3 | 6 | 20 | ||
| 4 | Mariners | 1 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 5 | 18 | |
| 5 | Pirates | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 6 | 16 |
| 6 | Rangers | 3 | 3 | 6 | 15 | |||
| 7 | Reds | 1 | 2 | 2 | 5 | 14 | ||
| 8 | Royals | 1 | 2 | 1 | 4 | 8 | ||
| 9 | Athletics | 1 | 1 | 2 | 8 | |||
| 10 | Brewers | 2 | 2 | 4 | ||||
| 11 | Rays | 1 | 1 | 3 | ||||
| 12 | Marlins | 1 | 1 | 3 | ||||
| 13 | Braves | 1 | 1 | 3 | ||||
| 14 | Cubs | 1 | 1 | 2 | 3 | |||
| 15 | Yankees | 1 | 1 | 1 | ||||
| 16 | Twins | 1 | 1 | 1 | ||||
| 17 | Mets | 1 | 1 | 1 | ||||
| 18 | Diamondbacks | 1 | 1 | 1 |
Jeff Z: Pirates, Rangers and Rays are all headed/heading in the right direction, its just that the Pirates are so far down they have the most run for improvement, followed by the Rangers and then the Rays.
Brewers, some good things I like being done there, but some I don't. Could really caught fire some year and win it all.
Royals - With Dayton in charge, they are destined to be bad. They should start improving once he is gone in 3 years.
Justin (jinaz): Pirates--I really like their front office. I think they're doing what they can, though they have a long way to go. They'll have trouble succeeding in the current market environment, but I think they're exploiting every option they can. The good news is that they don't have to win it all to be a massive improvement.... :) As long as ownership sticks with this front office, they have a great shot at improving significantly.
Reds--This is my team, but I'm pretty optimistic about the future. Even after Arroyo and Harang walk, they have a very good young rotation in place with Volquez, Cueto, Leake, Bailey, and Chapman, with some other good options if those guys falter. Votto is an All-Star, and Bruce is showing signs of living up to his potential. The only real source of concern is that most of the best talent in the young talent is either at or close to graduating. Not that I'm complaining--part of the reason is that Leake went straight to the majors this year, with good results so far.
Cubs--The Cubs have the third-highest opening day payroll this year at $149 M. Surely a team spending that much money is bound to at least be respectable, right? And they're out from under Alfonso Soriano's contract in 2015! (What?! He has a .434 wOBA?!)
J-Doug: The Mariners because we all though they'd be better this year, and they will be if they can start slapping the ball. The Royals because their farm system is excellent, and all they need is a change in management. The Cubs because they're not really this bad, and because I have hope for the new ownership. The Yankees, because Sky told me not to write the Yankees.
Michael: The Braves will lose Chipper Jones, but gain an improved Jason Heyward, which must be scary to the rest of the National League. The Reds are already competing for the NL Central, and not all of their puzzle pieces have contributed yet. Texas' top farm system should help keep the major league team in contention for years to come as well.
Dan: With Strasburg, Bryce Harper, Ryan Zimmerman, et al,. the Nats will be a force to be reckoned with. The Rangers have the young talent to control the AL West for years. The Reds are already outperforming expectations and should challenge for the division title most seasons. The Pirates finally seems to be turning the ship around, and hey, it can't get much worse. The Mets have way too much money to be this bad. Regression to the mean has to kick in sometime, right?
Adam: Baltimore tops the list because there's so far to come back from. With Wieters, Matusz, & Co. rolling in, they can't stay down too much longer. Can they? I always think Cleveland is going to be good. Why stop now? Pittsburgh? Man, the fans deserve something. I hope things start going right over there.
Daniel: I basically just went with the teams that are losing now that I think will have a strong chances of contending in the future, with the O's bumped up a space or two based on home town bias and acknowledgment of how far they are in a hole right now (so .500 would be a big improvement).
Lar: I threw the Twins in at #5 because, with Mauer and Morneau, they're always close to winning 95 games. They may be a top team in the AL Central, but that hasn't translated to a whole lot of wins. That could change in the next few years.
Matt Klaassen: Oakland has the right combination of a) having been pretty lousy recently, so there is plenty of "headroom"; b) plenty of young (and cost-controlled) talent in the minors and majors; and c) a good front office. The money situation will hold them back, but like I said, they don't have to do much to improve a lot. I thought they had a chance to contend in 2010, and so far they are doing so.
So, where do you agree? Where'd we go wrong?
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WHERE OH WHERE
ARE THE BLUE JAYS??????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111111111111111111111111
A Toronto sports blog, where unabashed homerism is alive and well...
Then how are the Rays up there?
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
+1
I’m not sure why Toronto didn’t garner any more votes than, say, at least the bottom 5 or 6 teams. This team was pegged for at least 90 losses this season and has overachieved nicely thanks to some heavy hitting and great moves by AA. So they’re excluded simply because they have been off to a fast start? That didn’t last in 2009 did it…Seriously, I want them to continue proving people wrong, but I’m personally offended to even consider the notion that a team like the Mets or Cubs are better off in the long term than Toronto. They have much worse management, and the Jays have better prospects than any of them. Adeiny Hechevarria has drawn excellent reviews so far, while Travis D’Arnaud, Kyle Drabek, and Brett Wallace were a great haul from the Halladay deal. Consider the depth of pitching as well, with Rzep, Litsch, and Cecil still yet to fully establish themselves, although Cecil is really coming into his own in the last few starts. Agree or not with what I’ve said, it’s tough to deny this will be an exciting team going forward!!
Blind homerism:
The Astros. Although that’s as much because… rock bottom.
But I also think the farm system was underrated entering this season and will make a huge jump in the rankings by the beginning of next season, into the upper half, on the back of a nice haul in the draft (three first round picks) and breakout seasons from several prospects.
Are the Nats blowing their chances?
I assume you’re talking about 2011-2015 compared to 2006-2010? If the Nats win 80 this year and the O’s win 60, that puts the Nats a little more behind the 8-ball. I know it’s only one year out of 5 but they both have similar young talent. Does the Nats’ “easier” division balance that out? The O’s could win 85 and be safely in 4th place.
The Pirates’ ceiling isn’t super high but they are starting from such a low place that I think they have a chance to win this thing.
The Royals.
I know, it’s ridiculous, but I can see it. Hosmer, Moustakas, Montgomery, Kila, Butler, Greinke, Crow…
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I like their chances better than the Indians, frankly.
You guys win. You can keep your little marked-out piece of internet territory. Spend your days communicating via keyboard with people too ugly for the real world and too nerdy for anyone to care, anyway. Your piece of land is here. Do the rest of civilization a favor and stay within its limits. You bore me. Have fun with your nightly sobs and screams into your pillow over your inability to attract a good mate, Radiohead. ~The Hooligan
by Daniel Berlyn on Jun 4, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I really like what the Rays are doing,
and I expect them to be good for years, but I can’t really understand ranking the best team in baseball as likely to improve. They’ll reach the playoffs this year with ~95 wins. Sure they could improve to winning ~100, but that’s not really a significant improvement.
No comments from myself?
Did my form not go through or something? Shucks..
I like baseball.
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by Satchel Price on Jun 4, 2010 11:09 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Mine didn't go through either.
Or they were discarded after it was noted I only voted for one team. ;)
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I assumed one of mine would be thrown out...
…for voting for the Yankees. Incidentally Sky has yet to track me down and force me to watch Game 7 of the 2001 WS over and over again.
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I'm skeptical of the Indians.
All their prospects seem to bust, and they haven’t developed good pitching since losing their big guns. They’re probably going to have to sell off Choo and Sizemore(if he returns to form) and they just haven’t gotten returns on all the talent they liquidated. Not only that, but their fans have quit on them, making it very difficult to bring in top talent.
I think the Royals have hit the mark on some of their top picks, I just hope for their sake they handle it better than they did Alex Gordon.
Truthfully, I’m not seeing the impact talent on the way with Seattle. Can someone help me understand that one? It’s going to take them a while to recover from all the top picks they’ve whiffed on and this year goes to show that Jack Z should take a different approach… like building a team with offense.
You guys win. You can keep your little marked-out piece of internet territory. Spend your days communicating via keyboard with people too ugly for the real world and too nerdy for anyone to care, anyway. Your piece of land is here. Do the rest of civilization a favor and stay within its limits. You bore me. Have fun with your nightly sobs and screams into your pillow over your inability to attract a good mate, Radiohead. ~The Hooligan

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