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Dwight Evans was worth more than Jim Rice

Last week I hoped to drum up a little controversy with my bold claim (and accompanying graph) that Greg Gagne was worth more than Joe Carter. It turns out that either you guys already knew that, you really didn't care, or you were so in awe of the beautiful graph that you couldn't bring yourself to respond. I'll assume that it's either the first one or the last one.

Today I return with a different comparison—one that doesn't seem so random. These guys were teammates in the same outfield. One's in the Hall of Fame. One was cast off after one ballot. I'd venture to say that they deserved opposite fates, though I'm really not sure either one deserves to be a Hall of Famer.

Of course, I'm talking about Jim Rice and Dwight Evans.

Graph of the Day

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Click to enlarge. Explanations after the jump. Numbers from Rally.

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Offense

But wait, Jim Rice was the "most feared" hitter of his time? How is he possibly worth less on offense than Dwight Evans? Rice hit .298 and slugged .502 while Evans hit .272 with a .470 SLG. Rice was better, right? Well, Dewey also had a .370 OBP to Rice's .352. What does that come out to? Rice had an OPS+ of 128 while Evans was right there with 127. Pretty much a tie. But Evans posted his numbers in about 1500 more plate appearances. That's pretty much three seasons, and that makes sense because Rice retired after his age 36 year and Evans after his age 39 year. How did Rice fare in his age 36 year? An OPS+ of 70. Evans? An OPS+ of 135. In his age 37, 38, and 39 seasons, Evans' OPS+ marks were 136, 103, and 119. He was just as productive at the plate, but for about three seasons longer.

OPS+ doesn't even capture Rice's biggest flaw as a hitter. I've always wondered why people don't pay attention to this stat more, either. It's easy to grasp and is far from "new age". It's the GIDP. Rice grounded into 315 double plays, which is "good" for 6th all time. What does that mean? The run value of those GIDPs is -46 runs. Rice's batting runs were +279. Basically, Jim Rice gave back one sixth of his offensive production by grounding into double plays. Evans grounded into a decent amount of double plays, too. But he ranks 47th all time and was worth -7 runs in that category.

Baserunning

Jim Ed actually fares slightly better here. Rice was worth +2 runs while Evans was -1. Both were essentially average.

Defense

Much to my surprise, Rice rated well defensively. Rice's range was worth +9 runs and his arm was worth +13. Evans' range graded at +13, slightly better than Rice. But oh my, the arm. That's where he earned his eight Gold Gloves. His cannon was worth +53 runs. That puts him at #9 all time, though #3 and #9 are only separated by a half-dozen runs.

Position

Both played pretty low-value positions, with Rice mostly in left and Evans mostly in right. Rice also spent quite a bit of time at DH.

Runs Above Average

Add it all up and Evans is worth 274 runs above average to Rice's 156. Not only is Evans worth more, he's worth a hell of a lot more.

Wins Above Replacement

A wide gap in RAA plus the playing time difference makes for a 20.2 win difference in WAR. Dwight Evans was worth one and a half Jim Rices.

Wins Above Excellence

As defined by Rally, WAE tallies all WAR over 3.0. The point is to find those dominant peak years. My original hypothesis was that Evans was a "compiler" and that Rice would beat him in Wins Above Excellence and Wins Above MVP. I was wrong. It's close, but Evans still edges Rice in WAE 3.2 wins.

Wins Above MVP

We previously talked about WAM on BtB as any WAR above 6.0. This one is really tight as neither player exceeded MVP level often. But Evans still gets the edge, ever so slightly (1.1 to 1.0).

Personally, this is one of my favorite comparisons to use to explain WAR. I particularly love that it throws hardcore Red Sox fans for a loop to hear this for the first time. But we're stat geeks. We knew this already.

Update

The RallyMonkey himself recommended including Fred Lynn in this graph because Rice was actually the third best member of his outfield at that point. Here is the new graph, and Rally's right.

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Not only does Lynn nearly reach Evans in Wins Above Excellence, he actually beats both in Wins Above MVP. Of course, his MVP year contributes to that. But the 7.1 WAR he posted in 1975 was bested by Lynn's own 1979 season (8.4 WAR).

While Rice has a 128 OPS+ and Evans is at 127, Lynn is actually at 129 thanks to excellent OBP (.360) and slugging (.484) figures. He was a similar hitter to Evans, but had Rice's injury problems. Lynn's injury problems were more of an issue throughout his career rather than being the reason he retired (he played through age 38).

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You might as well throw Fred Lynn into the mix. As I’ve always said, Jim Rice was only the third best outfielder to come up with the Red Sox in the mid 1970’s.

"That boy is our last hope" - Obi Wan Scioscia, as Francisco Rodriguez left for the Mets. "No, there is another" - Yoda Reagins.

by RallyMonkey5 on Jun 22, 2010 9:06 AM EDT reply actions  

I figured it probably *should* be.

But this is one of those arguments that generates a “no way” if I say it anywhere but here. I figured it couldn’t hurt to look a little bit deeper into exactly why it’s true—and show it tangibly on a graph.

And hey, we’ve been getting a bunch of new readers. Perhaps it’s not old news to everyone. :)

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by adarowski on Jun 22, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, there is a lot of disbelief in some places

I got a ton of email from that type of reader when I compared Rice to Brian Downing on THT about two years ago.

I do suggest you do an update and throw Freddie Lynn into the mix. That would be cool. He takes first prize in Wins above MVP, thanks to his award in 1975 and should have won it in 1979.

"That boy is our last hope" - Obi Wan Scioscia, as Francisco Rodriguez left for the Mets. "No, there is another" - Yoda Reagins.

by RallyMonkey5 on Jun 22, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks!

"That boy is our last hope" - Obi Wan Scioscia, as Francisco Rodriguez left for the Mets. "No, there is another" - Yoda Reagins.

by RallyMonkey5 on Jun 22, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was trying to stop myself from hyperventilating

after BTB didn’t update yesterday afternoon. Good to see that everyone’s still alive and kicking.

On topic, I enjoy this series.

by jwiscarson on Jun 22, 2010 9:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Not after your morning post.

Jeff’s FanShot about the umpiring decision was promoted to the front page. I’m just a little spoiled with an extra late-morning/afternoon post to mull over during the slow moments of the day.

by jwiscarson on Jun 22, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

ahhh.

You could always comment more! Sometimes we’re waiting for something better to post.

And as often as you visit, I’d like to see some fanshots from you, too. Give us some ideas, man!

by Justin Bopp on Jun 22, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will, in time.

It’s somewhat slow here at work now, but I’m preparing for a cross-country move and also searching for a job at the same time, so in my free time, I like to mitigate my desire to control the future.

by jwiscarson on Jun 22, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thinkt he challenge here isn't the size of the blue bar compared to the other bars...

It’s convincing people that the size of the blue bars are correct. Good discussion on BBTF about GIDP and RBI rates.

Instead of RBI rate, might be better to look at RE24 — what did each guy do with the opportunities he was presented.

On a tangent, Rice owns a career -7 wins clutch rating.

by Sky Kalkman on Jun 22, 2010 12:15 PM EDT reply actions  

But you all forget so quickly..

… about the fear that Rice put into opposing pitchers!!

He was horrifying!!!

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by Satchel Price on Jun 22, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not to go off on a tangent

but I was thinking about this today in regards to lineup decisions. Is there a quality way of measuring batter “protection?” Like a Holliday-behind-Pujols kinda thing. The question comes from a little study I’d like to conduct but I don’t want to give it away.

by Justin Bopp on Jun 22, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well how would it show up?

You’d expect more pitches to hit. Fewer walks, and better performance.

How would you measure that? You’d obviously have to do WOWY.

Go Twins!

by Patrick42 on Jun 22, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only thing I can think of is a deep study

of numerous pitchers pitching to the same player with and without said protection behind him. Even then, we’re looking at sample size issues, extremely vague levels of difference, and hard-to-prove-but-obvious-to-fans-type of conclusions.

by Justin Bopp on Jun 22, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sample size isn't too bad really if you hold one thing constant

it’s holding all things constant that would cause problems. I’ve had this one in the hopper for quite some time and haven’t gotten around to fully analyzing the data.

If you hold batters constant (i.e WOWY with say Ludwick in front of Pujols vs. in front of all other players to the Pujols effect) then you have samples in the thousands of pitches usually.

Metrics I was tracking were %fastballs seen, %strikes, %fat pitches

by stevesommer05 on Jun 22, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

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