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Who will be the best pitcher in 2015?

Friday High Fives

As we presented the best players of the next five years over the past two weeks, there was ton of discussion about Ubaldo Jimenez and other top pitchers being left off the list.  Mostly that's an issue of pitchers facing a much harsher aging curve than hitters.  Surely there will be more than five pitchers among the top 50 players in the league, it's just that we're extremely unsure who they'll be.

I posed a similarly difficult question to the BtB authors this week: Who will be the best pitcher in 2015?  Normally I'd call someone chicken for the following response, but in this case, Jeff Z. expressed what we're all thinking:

I refuse to guess this question.  Five years ago I probably would have answered Brandon Webb, Dontrelle Willis, Jake Peavy, Aaron Harang and Josh Towers.  I think pitchers are so fickle, I will be impressed if anyone gets two of their choices correct.

Here are the top five results for those of us who were willing to make some guesses (not me):

Pitcher 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th Ballots Points
Stephen Strasburg 5 2 1 1 9 38
Tim Lincecum 1 2 2 1 6 18
Ubaldo Jimenez 2 1 1 4 12
Zack Greinke 1 1 1 3 12
Felix Hernandez 2 1 2 5 10

Commentary and full results after the jump.  How'd we do?

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Lar: Seems way too early to put Strasburg on this list, but.... did you see that game on Tuesday?!

Peter: Any list like this is dangerous, because we're obviously going to be wrong more times than not.  I stayed away from current major leaguers because they'll have a lot of mileage on their arms by 2015.

Matt Klaassen: Yeah, putting Greinke at the top is rank homerism, but hey, I can't even predict who will be the best pitcher next month, so homerism seems as good a method as any out there. If someone had told you in 2005 that Cliff Lee would be a month into his third Cy Young-caliber season, you would have thought they were nuts, right? Strausburg has to be in the discussion, since I love to buy into hype. Lincecum looks like he could keep going even if he can only throw 84 by then, and picking a couple high-upside prospects is always a good idea for a long-term pitching projection crapshoot.

Adam Darowski: After what I've witnessed, I will never stop believing in Jon Lester. That kid is going to do some amazing things. Then it's take your pick—I think Greinke, Hernandez, Lincecum, and Jimenez are all going to be monsters.

Michael: Let it be known that it is almost impossible to guess how good pitchers will be five years from now, given the injury risk involved with the profession. Having said that, seeing Strasburg dominate in the way that he did helped make the decision for #1 a lot easier.

Paul: In a world where TINSTAAP reigns supreme, the road to pick out best pitchers for 5 years from now is fraught with orange barrels.  Given the learning curve necessary for most pitchers, I picked guys who were 26 or younger and (with the exception of Strasburg) who have been in MLB for at least a full season.

Daniel: If one of these five is correct I'd be OK with that. Whoever will be in the top 5 in 2015, I probably haven't heard of at least one of them and didn't even think to consider another one. Was briefly considering putting Jamie Moyer, Tim Wakefield, or some O's pitcher (Matusz?) on the list for fun.

Jeff Sullivan: Pitchers are next to impossible to predict so I'm just combining stuff + wear. Strasburg has a phenomenal baseline ability and the fewer miles on his arm, so I'm giving him the best odds.

[Sky: We get it guys, this is a tough question.]

Everyone receiving a vote:

Pitcher 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th Ballots Points
Stephen Strasburg 5 2 1 1 9 38
Tim Lincecum 1 2 2 1 6 18
Ubaldo Jimenez 2 1 1 4 12
Zack Greinke 1 1 1 3 12
Felix Hernandez 2 1 2 5 10
Roy Halladay 1 1 2 8
Jon Lester 1 2 3 7
Julio Teheran 1 1 2 6
Clayton Kershaw 1 1 2 5
Mike Leake 1 1 5
Arodys Vizcaino 1 1 4
Neftali Feliz 1 1 4
David Price 1 1 3
Tanner Scheppers 1 1 3
Tyler Matzek 1 1 3
CC Sabathia 1 1 2
Jacob Turner 1 1 2
John Lamb 1 1 2
Ricky Romero 1 1 2
Brian Matusz 1 1 1
Jeremy Hellickson 1 1 1
Phil Hughes 1 1 1
Tommy Hanson 1 1 1

Other BtB writers, the ones who claimed ignorance above, put out too much good content for me to run this question on Friday, hence the move to Saturday. Stop it with the good articles, guys. Jeez.

Poll
Who will be the best pitcher in 2015?
Stephen Strasburg
99 votes
Tim Lincecum
51 votes
Ubaldo Jimenez
42 votes
Zack Greinke
17 votes
Felix Hernandez
37 votes
Other
91 votes

337 votes | Poll has closed

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No one believes in brett anderson much I guess? Seems his recent elbow troubles have scared people off…

by brewerm on Jun 12, 2010 9:16 AM EDT reply actions  

Word is he needs surgery.

And the A’s think he can delay it until the off season and are being hush hush about it.

by PWHjort on Jun 12, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait

I had the only ballot with Leake on it? Come on guys, wake-up and smell the awesomeness.

by Harry Pavlidis on Jun 12, 2010 11:35 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm not buying it.

Good right now, yes. Good enough to potentially be a front-line starter, probably. But pitchers like Leake need Halladay/Maddux command to be one of the top 5 in the game, and I don’t bet on anyone developing Halladay/Maddux command.

by PWHjort on Jun 12, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

On the other hand, you look at Jimenez and he's not a good pitch at all if he's not throwing in the upper 90's

I would think that velocity is one of the skills most likely to decline rapidly due to injury.

by vivaelpujols on Jun 12, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Took The King

Strasburg has the upside, but I just don’t know if his arm will stay on. So he’d “drop” to two. I think the King is going to bring his game to the next level soon.

by JD Sussman on Jun 12, 2010 11:43 AM EDT reply actions  

They’re both extremely talented pitchers, the two most talented in the game right now. It’s just….Felix Hernadnez will be 29 and have thrown ~2,000 innings by 2015. I think he’s the better bet to lose an arm by then.

by PWHjort on Jun 12, 2010 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

possibly

But we haven’t seen anyone maintain Strasburg like velocity, as a starter, for an extended period of time (5 years).

by JD Sussman on Jun 12, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

RE: JeffZ's comment

I didn’t follow MLB that closely 5 years ago, so can anyone comment on Harang and Towers? Were they really that good back then?

by screekwr on Jun 12, 2010 6:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah I'm not buying Towers

He had the one 4.2 WAR season where he flashed some truly awesome command, but he still was throwing a mid-to-high 80’s fastball while striking out less than 5 batters per 9 innings and getting groundballs less than 44% of the time.

Even as a workhorse he was never really top-5-in-the-game material in my opinion.

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by Satchel Price on Jun 12, 2010 8:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I don't understand why Felix is considered so good

In 2005 he was amazing with a sub 3 FIP and a 70% groundball rate, but since then he’s had 3 straight seasons with a high 3’s FIP, a amazing year in 2009 with a 3.09 FIP, but then this year he’s back to the high 3’s FIP pitcher.

Among qualified pitchers over the past 3 season, Felix rates 13th in FIP and that comes playing in a home run suppressing ballpark. I don’t see how he has any potential left given that this is his 6th season already. If anything he has a much greater chance of injury.

by vivaelpujols on Jun 12, 2010 11:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Martin Perez

"I definitely lead the league in weird injuries. I'm embarrassed, really. Somebody asks you why you came out and you say, 'Um, I was dizzy.' And then they ask you again and you say, 'I think I got something in my eye.' I'd much rather be run over, that's more manly." -- C Jarrod Saltalamacchia, on the pair of strange injuries (dizziness, eye irritation) that have forced him to miss time this season.

by fightnirish220 on Jun 14, 2010 1:14 AM EDT reply actions  

Seriously, how did nobody put Chapman or Perez?

I mean, I’m certainly no expert, but those two are pretty much the consensus top-2 lefties in the minors right now, and I don’t think I’ve ever heard of anyone describe their respective ceilings as anything lower than a legitimate ace.

I mean, Julio Teheran got voted for 4 times, Vizcaino twice, Matzek twice, and freaking John Lamb twice, but nobody votes for Chapman or Perez? Obviously there’s no true way to prove that they’re wrong, but I definitely expected to see those two names before the ones I just listed.

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I write for Beyond the Box Score and The Hardball Times Fantasy

by Satchel Price on Jun 14, 2010 1:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Considering that pretty much every "best pitcher" in the past 20 years

Barring Roger Clemens and maybe Lincecum (if he was ever the best in the game) and Prior (for the half a season he was the best in the game) came out of nowhere, I went with other. I have no idea who other might be though.

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by Brickhaus on Jun 14, 2010 5:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Hell

It will probably end up being someone everyone has given up on being great at this point. Like Fautino De Los Santos.

Also, a bit surprised there were no Clay Buchholz votes.

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by Brickhaus on Jun 14, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Surprised to see Greinke rank at all high on this list. I have trouble seeing his psyche translate into a long career, and he’s not even in the Top 20 so far this season. Do the words “career year” mean anything to you guys?

by Jay on Jun 21, 2010 1:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Top 20 pitchers per WAR, just to be clear.

by Jay on Jun 21, 2010 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

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