Using True Talent to Select the 2010 All-Stars: NL Position Players
6/11/10 11:57am----I've done a fairly significant update of this post. In response to legitimate concern about the quality of the fielding statistic, I've revised this post by incorporating Steve Sommer's UZR projections. I also corrected a significant omission: somehow, Adrian Gonzalez was excluded from this post among NL 1B's. He is now rightfully included. All that said, only one selection changed: Jayson Werth in RF over Andre Ethier and Jason Heyward.
One of the things that I've always disliked about the All Star Game is that it essentially has become a way of recognizing great first half performances, rather than the best overall players in the game. If we agree that it is supposed to be about finding the best players in baseball, though, how should we go about doing this?
This season, we have a number of in-season projection systems available that can give us current true talent estimates for every player in baseball. In-season ZiPS and Oliver are updated (at least) weekly, while CHONE is updated monthly. So now we can include the stunning first-half performances we all are talking about (hello Justin Morneau!), but we can weight it appropriately with other information about past performance.
What I've done here is take an average of the three above projection systems' true talent estimates (ZiPS, Oliver, CHONE) and use that to rank all players in baseball. Batting RAA, but not wOBA, is park adjusted. Updated: Fielding is now provided by Oliver and CHONE projections, as well as Steve Sommer's pre-season UZR projections (which do include Fan Scouting Report data). Weighting is 50% UZR, 25% Oliver, 25% CHONE (TZ). UZR is the better stat, but CHONE and Oliver include minor league data and therefore have a longer track record for young players. I opted to include all of them. Finally, I'm not considering differences in playing time at all. There is a lot of value in durability, but my preference in this case was to just reward those players who are the best of the best, when healthy and in the lineup.
Without further adieu, here are your National League All Stars (plus four alternates):
Catcher: Brian McCann, Atlanta Braves
| Name | wOBA | Bat | Field | RAA/700 |
| Brian McCann | 0.366 | 22 | -2 | 21 |
| Geovany Soto | 0.352 | 13 | -1 | 12 |
| Buster Posey | 0.344 | 9 | 2 | 11 |
| Russell Martin | 0.341 | 6 | 1 | 7 |
| Chris Iannetta | 0.343 | 8 | -1 | 7 |
No real surprise here at the top of the list. The fact that Buster Posey and Chris Iannetta rank 3rd and 5th in the league, but aren't the starting catchers on their own teams, however, is surprising. FWIW, though, Miguel Olivo comes out at -3 RAA/700, which is probably within the margin of error here.
First Base: Albert Pujols, St. Louis Cardinals
| Name | wOBA | Bat | Field | RAA/700 |
| Albert Pujols | 0.446 | 71 | 5 | 76 |
| Prince Fielder | 0.404 | 45 | -3 | 42 |
| Adrian Gonzalez | 0.393 | 38 | 1 | 39 |
| Lance Berkman | 0.385 | 34 | 1 | 34 |
| Joey Votto | 0.384 | 33 | 1 | 34 |
Depending on how rapidly you think Berkman is aging and how bad his knee problems are, you might bump him down (or off) the list. The #6 NL 1B is Ryan Howard at +28 runs.
Second Base: Chase Utley, Philadelphia Phillies
| Name | wOBA | Bat | Field | RAA/700 |
| Chase Utley | 0.391 | 37 | 7 | 45 |
| Dan Uggla | 0.360 | 18 | -5 | 13 |
| Kelly Johnson | 0.350 | 12 | 0 | 12 |
| Martin Prado | 0.351 | 13 | -2 | 11 |
| Rickie Weeks | 0.347 | 10 | -4 | 6 |
I was surprised to see Kelly Johnson at #3, but some of these fielding systems like his defense a lot more than is in keeping with his reputation. On related note, though, I sort of heart Martin Prado.
Third Base: David Wright, New York Mets
| Name | wOBA | Bat | Field | RAA/700 |
| David Wright | 0.392 | 38 | -2 | 36 |
| Ryan Zimmerman | 0.372 | 25 | 5 | 30 |
| Chipper Jones | 0.383 | 32 | -2 | 30 |
| Pablo Sandoval | 0.374 | 27 | -2 | 25 |
| Scott Rolen | 0.347 | 10 | 7 | 17 |
His power was down last year, and his batting average is down this year...but David Wright is probably still the best 3B in the National League. If you think the fielding systems are low on Zimmerman (his UZR projection is +10 runs), then he might yet leap frog over Wright for #1 at the hot corner. Chipper seems to be getting old--I think he's probably aging faster that the projection systems think. And he's never healthy.
Shortstop: Hanley Ramirez, Florida Marlins
| Name | wOBA | Bat | Field | RAA/700 |
| Hanley Ramirez | 0.402 | 44 | -2 | 41 |
| Troy Tulowitzki | 0.361 | 19 | 7 | 26 |
| Yunel Escobar | 0.342 | 7 | 5 | 12 |
| Jose Reyes | 0.345 | 9 | 2 | 11 |
| Jimmy Rollins | 0.340 | 6 | 4 | 10 |
It's Hanley, then Tulo, then everyone else. That goes for the AL as well, as we'll see in a later post.
Left Field: Matt Holliday, St. Louis Cardinals
| Name | wOBA | Bat | Field | RAA/700 |
| Matt Holliday | 0.394 | 39 | 5 | 44 |
| Ryan Braun | 0.396 | 40 | -4 | 36 |
| Manny Ramirez | 0.393 | 39 | -7 | 32 |
| Josh Willingham | 0.371 | 25 | -2 | 22 |
| Jason Bay | 0.377 | 29 | -7 | 22 |
I'm breaking down outfield by position, 'cause that's how I roll. If you think corner outfield slots are interchangeable, Braun would win the starting RF option.
Center Field: Matt Kemp, Los Angeles Dodgers
| Name | wOBA | Bat | Field | RAA/700 |
| Matt Kemp | 0.367 | 23 | 1 | 24 |
| Colby Rasmus | 0.344 | 8 | 6 | 14 |
| Andrew McCutchen | 0.352 | 13 | 1 | 14 |
| Andres Torres | 0.331 | 1 | 13 | 14 |
| Marlon Byrd | 0.348 | 11 | -1 | 11 |
Carlos Beltran deserves mention here, but I don't have a projection for him from all of the systems because he hasn't played yet. Even so, I'd take Matt Kemp over him...but I'd probably put Beltran over the other four guys on the list, assuming he'll be able to run enough to not be a liability in CF. His "backup," Angel Pagan, rates right with Marlon Byrd as the #5 CF in the league (+11 runs). I have a hard time seeing how he can sit and Frenchy can play if/when Beltran returns, but we'll see what happens.
Right Field: Jayson Werth, Philedelphia Phillies
| Name | wOBA | Bat | Field | RAA/700 |
| Jayson Werth | 0.373 | 26 | 7 | 33 |
| Jason Heyward | 0.367 | 23 | 9 | 31 |
| Andre Ethier | 0.388 | 35 | -4 | 31 |
| Justin Upton | 0.368 | 23 | 4 | 27 |
| Ryan Ludwick | 0.365 | 21 | 0 | 22 |
When I updated this post to incorporate UZR fielding data, this is the one position that changed. Thanks to an amazing +11 UZR fielding projection, Werth leap frogged over Heyward and Ethier to take the starting job. He was who I expected to see here anyway, so this made me think I was on the right track.
I ran this last week when putting together the numbers for this article, and at that time Jason Heyward barely eduged out Ethier for #1. That was pretty exciting...but apparently his recent struggles bumped him down the list. Even so, it's pretty impressive for a kid with Heyward's age and limited track record to rate as the #2 RF in the league based on projection systems. And if Ethier isn't healthy by the time the All-Star game rolls around, Heyward would still get the start!
Next up: NL Pitchers!
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How is Ryan Zimmerman -1 on defense?
That guy is definitely not below average with the leather.
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by Satchel Price on Jun 10, 2010 1:33 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Data
Oliver fielding projection: -2
CHONE fielding projection: 0
You’re right, though, he’s known for his fielding. Career UZR/150 is +13 runs. That would push him over Wright into the first slot.
Wright used to be a good fielder too, though the last few years his UZR numbers haven’t been good. -10 runs last year, -0.5 runs this year. So maybe -4 runs is right for him, depending on how much you weight 2009.
-j
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I've got Zimmerman
as +10 coming into this year, whatever that’s worth.
by stevesommer05 on Jun 10, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Is that a UZR-based projection?
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Yep
Hopefully roll in DRS next year, but for now it’s UZR (with a dollop of FSR)
by stevesommer05 on Jun 10, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
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MLB.com just encourages it
It seems to me that the votes tend to reflect popularity much more than performance. This is evidenced by the fact that a game of Yankees vs Phillies would approximate the All-Star starting lineups. In fact, the online voting prompt is “send your favorite players to [city].”. MLB.com disgusts me.
Great idea anyway, Justin. Looking forward to the other lists.
by FireTheGM on Jun 10, 2010 2:01 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I try not to get too bent out of shape
The All-Star game is about letting the fans pick their favorite team. That’s fine if that’s all it is going to be. I have absolutely no problem with that.
But so much of the talk about “snubbs” for the guys the manager picks and such isn’t about popularity. It’s about first half performances. If it’s not just going to be about popularity, then I think it should be based on choosing the best possible team.
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Dunno...
If I went through player by player, I’d say the majority are at least in the right direction. It obviously misses with some, however. This is more of an issue for who makes #4 or #5 on the lists than #1…at least, I think that’s the case. Brandon Phillips, for example, always seems to be massively underrated using TotalZone, and he’s right there with Rickie Weeks for #5 using these data. He’s never going to usurp Chase Utley, though.
I probably should have used/created UZR projections, but it was easier to just use the data already in the spreadsheet. :)
-j
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I went back and included Steve's UZR projections.
Weight for fielding is 50% UZR, 25% Oliver, 25% CHONE
The only change in terms of who was selected for the starting team was in RF: Jayson Werth’s fielding climbed considerably, and he now rates above both Heyward and Ethier.
I’ll update the post to reflect these changes. I’m also going to fix the Adrian Gonzalez omission issue.
-j
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Meh, I'm a fan of having the ASG award good first halves
I wouldn’t mind it either way, but that’s always how I thought of it as.
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by SFiercex4 on Jun 10, 2010 4:56 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I'll agree with this.
Yeah, having the best players in the game be represented by the ASG would be nice, but I think that I prefer seeing guys that are playing the best in 2010. You know, like being an All Star is a reward for having a great first half, and not necessarily for being a great player in general.
Then again, I think I’ve watched the All Star Game like twice in my life, so this isn’t the kind of thing that I’ll get too bent out of shape about.
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by Satchel Price on Jun 10, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Completely disagree
For one thing, all star games are often used as an indication of greatness after the fact. If I say that Griffey is a 13-time all star, I think most people see that as an indication that he was considered among the best in the game 13 different seasons….not just that he had 13 great first halves (halfs?). I mean, who really cares if a guy’s having a good first half? … well, maybe you guys do, but I don’t. What I care about is who the best players are.
But whatever. I only vote some of the time, and often don’t watch the game either. So it’s not something I’ll get too worked up about either. I just like the exercise of selecting players. :)
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by JinAZ on Jun 10, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If a guy consistently has great 1st halves (for 13 years using the Griffey Jr. example),
chances are he’s one of the better players in the game. Yes there are notorious fast starters (and slow starters), but most of the guys who set the pace in the 1st half of a season are the better players in the league.
Save Jenrry Mejia!
Adrian Gonzalez
I somehow dropped Adrian Gonzalez from the 1B list. He comes in at +41 runs, right behind fielder for 3rd among 1B’s. Apologies for the error.
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