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My Early NL All Star Game Ballot

Well, I covered the AL yesterday, and so as promised, I'm here to present my present-day NL All Star ballot. As I said before, these are guys who I think have been the best so far. These aren't the players that I actually believe are the best in the game, but they were the best in game at their respective position from the start of the season up to today.

Basically, just think of these guys as the 2006 Chris Shelton All Stars. Some of these guys are quite literally the best players at their positions, but some of these guys are likely to be overtaken by a superior player before the year's over. Either way, as I stuff the ballot today, here are the players who I think have been the best of the best in the NL so far.

NL Catcher: Miguel Olivo, Colorado

I know, I know, I'm as shocked as you are. Miguel Olivo is quietly going crazy in Colorado right now, he's easily been the best catcher in the NL so far this season. The NL's best offensive catcher so far, Pittsburgh's Ryan Doumit, has also been the worst defensive catcher in baseball in 2010, while Olivo's offensive marks are nearly as impressive and he's known as a good defender behind the plate as well.

The most interesting aspect of Olivo's season are his 14 walks, which puts him on pace to destroy his career-high of 20 walks from 2004. Compared to his minuscule 4% career walk rate, his 11% mark for this season makes him a completely different hitter. He's always been a guy with huge raw power ( .184 career ISO), but this season he's shown a significantly more patient approach than ever before.

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NL First Base: Albert Pujols, St. Louis

This is probably the first time in like five years that there's been a reasonable argument for anyone other than Pujols, as Cincinnati's Joey Votto has a slim lead over Pujols in fWAR among NL first basemen. But Pujols seems highly likely to surpass Votto soon enough, and the differences between their respective numbers at the moment are minimal.

Votto has hit for more power and has graded out slightly better defensively, but Pujols has a better batting average, better OBP and significantly less strikeouts. Considering that Votto has hit home runs on a quarter of his fly balls and he hasn't hit an infield fly once this season, he's almost a guarantee to decline some from here, while the indications are that Pujols doesn't really have anywhere to go but up from here. You could certainly argue that Votto has been better so far, but not by nearly enough to displace the best player in the game.

NL Second Base: Chase Utley, Philadelphia

It's Utley, and it's not really close. Dan Uggla, Kelly Johnson and David Eckstein (I know, right?) have all had impressive seasons, but Utley continues to show that he's the best second baseman of this generation. He's already been nearly a win better than Uggla, with offensive numbers that would be the best of his career and his usually elite defensive numbers. He was worth roughly 7.4 WAR per season over the past five years, and there's little reason to believe that will discontinue in 2010. We're watching something special with this one.

NL Third Base: Ryan Zimmerman, Washington

Zimmerman is one of those guys that probably should be regarded as one of the best players in baseball, even though he's constantly omitted from that group. He's always had one of the best gloves in baseball at third base, but his bat has really come along over the years. His .398 wOBA and +8 DRS on the season are the best among NL third basemen, so it shouldn't be surprising that he's the best third basemen in the NL. That might be offensive to fans of David Wright and Pablo Sandoval, but neither of them has matched Zimmerman's combination of plus offense and defense so far.

NL Shortstop: Troy Tulowitzki, Colorado

Tulowitzki is out to prove that his monster 2009 wasn't the peak of his career, and he's doing a pretty good job. He leads all NL shortstops in fWAR and he's second in wOBA, behind Arizona's Stephen Drew. He's the anchor of that lineup and while he probably hasn't quite caught up with Hanley Ramirez as the best shortstop in the NL yet, the gap seems to be closing. Although at this point, I think that both Tulowitzki and Drew would be better selections than Ramirez.

NL Outfielders: Alfonso Soriano, Chicago, Andre Ethier, Los Angeles and Jayson Werth, Philadelphia

I felt pretty weird writing in the name "Soriano"; I expected his presence in left field to irritate me and other Cub fans all season, but he's been downright scary the past month or so. His .434 wOBA is the worst of the three outfielders I chose, but it's actually the third-best mark in the NL because the two guys in front of him happen to be the next two guys I'll talk about. Despite his slightly inferior offensive numbers, though, his defense has graded out better than the latter two so his fWAR is currently the best of the three. Soriano's teammate, Marlon Byrd, is actually the fWAR leader among NL outfielders, but his lack of plate discipline is worrisome and his UZR is center field is rather sketchy given his iffy track record there over the years.

Ethier actually has the worst fWAR of any of these guys, easily, because UZR hates his defense so much. But his -10 UZR mark for this season isn't remotely reflective of his skill, there's probably some small sample size or batted ball distribution stuff going on there that's distorting the number's accuracy. Ethier is certainly a below average defender, but if you adjust his numbers so he's a -5 to -10 defender rather than a -58 defender (which is what his UZR projects to over 150 games), he's been arguably the best outfielder in baseball so far. He leads the NL in OBP, slugging, OPS and wOBA by sizable margins, and he's second in the NL in home runs and RBI's despite already having a stint on the 15-Day DL. He's been an absolutely monster with the bat so far.

Werth was touched on yesterday in Lar's debut post here at BtB (a good read, by the way), but he didn't go into much detail on how great Werth has been in 2010 already. He's second in the NL in wOBA and OPS, behind Ethier of course, and his fWAR puts him fifth in the NL, just two runs away from second-place. There just isn't a whole lot of competition behind him, as the only other guy to match him offensively, Ryan Braun, doesn't grade out nearly as well with the glove.

NL Starting Pitcher: Roy Halladay, Philadelphia

This might've been the hardest one, with the seasons that Halladay, Tim Lincecum, Adam Wainwright, Ubaldo Jimenez and Josh Johnson are having. But I just can't quite justify choosing anyone other than Doc here.

His 2.6 fWAR is second in the NL overall and easily the best among NL pitchers. Only Lincecum beats Halladay in FIP and xFIP, but Halladay has already pitched 16 more innings than Lincecum this season. Halladay doesn't miss bats like Lincecum does, but he has superior command, induces more grounders, and eats up more innings. At this point, I just gotta go Halladay. And honestly, of all of the award races this year, I think that the NL Cy Young race is going to be the most interesting. There are some really freaking great pitchers in that league right now.

So we've got a little more diversity here than in the AL, with three players from Philly, two from Colorado, and one each from four other teams. But just like with the AL, we see a solid variety of players, with some potential future Hall of Famers, like Pujols, Utley and Halladay, and some really good players having really great seasons, like Soriano, Werth and Ethier. Then again, there's not really an AL-equivalent of Miguel Olivo, so things aren't exactly identical here. Either way, there are my NL All Stars as of today.

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McCann was probably the No. 2 catcher, him or Geovany Soto

but he couldn’t quite match Olivo’s numbers so far. He beats Olivo in OBP easily (.380 to .354), but otherwise Olivo has been the better ballplayer.

Olivo is hitting for a much better average (.281 to .256) and more power (ISOs: .254 to .171), so overall his wOBA (.383 to .354) is significantly better. And even if you include park factors, Olivo’s 130 wRC+ is better than McCann’s 120 wRC+.

When you factor in that not only has Olivo hit better, but he’s a better defender as well, it makes Olivo a much easier choice at this point. I’m certainly not arguing that Olivo is the better player, I’d still take McCann from here on out for sure, but as of today Olivo has played better in 2010.

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by Satchel Price on May 26, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

From what I've heard of Royals fans the past few years, Olivo is an awful receiver

So he mitigates some of his good arm. TZ has him at +2 in 2737 PA caught, so he’s probably about average overall.

by SFiercex4 on May 26, 2010 7:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Have any of you guys seen any write-ups on Utley's chances at the Hall of Fame?

I just noticed how you brought up that we might be seeing something special with him and I realize that a HOF fame discussion might be premature. It’s just that I know he’s crazy good (and I don’t think Philly fans FULLY appreciate him), and I think it might be interesting to see how his numbers through the current season match up with some other HOF 2nd basemen.

by MikeD. on May 26, 2010 10:57 PM EDT reply actions  

That's definitely something worth looking at.

But Utley has been a pretty special player with no signs of slowing down, and I think he’s closing in on that point when he’s really in the HOF discussion.

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by Satchel Price on May 27, 2010 12:04 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Quick and dirty look

I just looked at Chase’s Career WAR to a couple of HOF second basemen here. Hes been awfully good, but he hasnt put together the sustained excellence of the other guys on my little list.

by Kolz13 on May 27, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Utley ranks 24th in rWAR

As seen here.

Lowest HoFer who started his career after 1950 (trying to weed out the numerous bad Veteran’s Committee picks) is Bill Mazeroski, well-known for not being deserving of Hall consideration. In fact, only two HoFers began their career after 1950 (Mazeroski and Joe Morgan).

If you apply the Andre Dawson HoF line, 11 2B are deserving, but only six have been inducted, with Alomar a shoe-in and Kent a distinct possibility. Assuming Utley hits 7 wins this year, to make the Dawson line, he needs just 15.5 WAR in another 6 or 7 seasons (realistically). Given he probably has maybe two superstar years and two or three more 4+ WAR years left in him, I’d say he breaks that easily. If he sticks around a few more years after that like Kent did, he could hit 70 WAR, putting him right behind Frankie Frisch, Charles Gehringer, and the three best second basemen of all time that will probably never be reached.

And there’s the fact that TZ is likely conservative on his numbers. Utley is real good.

by SFiercex4 on May 27, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice ballot.

I went to a Phillies-Cubs game a week or so ago, and did a ballot there. I think the differences I had were Byrd rather than Soriano, and I believe I voted for Votto. I also may have put Hanley, but I can’t remember. Also, to me there’s no doubt that Ubaldo has been the best pitcher in the NL. As far as Byrd goes, I figure even if he can’s sustain it (and the plate discipline is a concern, but only because I know he won’t hit his way on 34% of the time), he should be rewarded for such great output so far this season. He’s earned almost 2/3 of his 3 year contract in 2 months.

by philadelphiacub on May 27, 2010 11:15 AM EDT reply actions  

and let me add that

I wrote in Stalin Castro’s name immediately after he threw out Jason Werth from left field in the bottom of the 8th. It won’t happen this year, but I bet he gets into some AS games down the line.

by philadelphiacub on May 27, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can definitely see the argument for Jimenez

The 9-1, 0.88 marks are pretty crazy. But if you look past that, at the underlying numbers, Halladay has been ever so slightly better. The thing is, Jimenez needed that big start last night to really tighten the gap between him and Doc.

They strike out a similar number of batters and induce a similar number of ground balls, but Halladay walks half the number of guys that Jimenez does, and had pitched substantially more innings than Jimenez when I wrote this post. After Jimenez made his tenth start last night, that closed the gap a good deal, and I certainly would have few quibbles with someone voting for Ubaldo.

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by Satchel Price on May 27, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jimenez needed that big start last night to really tighten the gap between him and Doc.

Part of that is because he had one less start than Doc this season so far. Just 10 starts in, that can mean a lot.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on May 27, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you worried about including too many Rockies?

Olivo – gets in because of stats
Tulo – gets in because he’s achievement + potential
Jimenez – is one Rockie too far?

There’s no point arguing that halladay isn’t a brilliant pitcher. But your selection of Olivo makes it pretty clear you’re trying to go on this season alone in your choices, and Ubaldo’s ERA+ is currently well over DOUBLE Halladay’s.

by biondino on May 27, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think that's really how I see it.

Olivo and Tulowitzki were chosen because statistically they were the best at their respective positions, and the same can be said for Halladay.

I can certainly see the Jimenez argument, and it’s really just splitting hairs when you’re talking about two guys that have been so good so far, but ERA+ isn’t really a good indicator of performance. It adjusts for park and league factors, but it doesn’t adjust for ERA’s numerous other flaws, like luck and defense.

Jimenez is benefiting big time from a low BABIP and a high strand rate right now.

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by Satchel Price on May 27, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why would you want to adjust for luck?

You didn’t adjust for luck for Olivo’s BABIP.

I think what you mean is that you want to adjust for defensive impact on pitching, but FIP (and by extension fWAR) does more than that. It strips BABIP impact (luck and any small skill) entirely as well as sequencing. That may be the difference between how Jimenez and Halladay have pitched.

Not trying to be argumentative, just playing devil’s advocate for the discussion.

by SFiercex4 on May 27, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Jimenez is benefiting big time from a low BABIP and a high strand rate right now.

You might have inspired this article this morning.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on May 28, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree with Olivo

He is certainly having a good start to the season, but I think to some degree you do have to consider track record a little. Olivo is benefiting from a BABIP 36 points higher than his career mark and McCann on the other hand is getting a bit unlucky there, also Olivo’s HR/FB is up over 8% from his career. I do think AS games should reward players for their current performance, not past, but not when it’s so fluky. Why not Hanigan in such a case? His OBP is through the roof, powering a higher wOBA than Olivo and he is a better overall defender. Because of 8 games less played?I wouldn’t pick olivo just yet anyway. Still a great list otherwise.

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by Mattsullivan on May 27, 2010 11:58 AM EDT reply actions  

As I said at the beginning of the article, this is all about 2010, not true talent levels

Olivo certainly isn’t the best catcher in the NL right now, but as of today his 2010 performance has been better than any other catcher in the NL.

Hanigan’s .409 wOBA does beat Olivo’s .395 mark, but Olivo has had 45 more plate appearances, so overall he’s been more valuable than Hanigan so far. Additionally, Olivo’s defense has graded out better than Hanigan’s so far as well, and while that method is certainly flawed in some aspects, it doesn’t really do anything to improve Hanigan’s candidacy.

In a few days, Hanigan could certainly be the better option, but when I wrote this post, and presently, Olivo has been more valuable in my opinion.

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by Satchel Price on May 27, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Comparing Jimenez v. Halladay depends on how you judge your performances

If B-R had pitcher WAR updated right now, I’m pretty sure Jimenez would be ahead of Halladay. The gap between runs allowed is staggering. But if you use FIP, the numbers support Halladay.

All depends on how you look at it, but there’s no shame in taking either one. Both are amazing.

by SFiercex4 on May 27, 2010 1:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Absolutely, I think the difference between the two performances so far is close enough that either one is a good choice

But even after Jimenez’s 10th start, Jimenez is 1.4 runs behind Halladay in WAR.

I tend to believe that the gap in runs allowed can mostly be accounted for by things that aren’t remotely in the realm of control of the pitcher. But as I said, it was much easier to choose Halladay when I wrote this, because Jimenez had yet to make his tenth start.

If Jimenez didn’t pitch well in start No. 10, I think it would easily be Halladay right now. Jimenez pitched quite well though, so it’s really close, but I still comfortable with Halladay, even if I think that I’d feel just as good about Ubaldo now.

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by Satchel Price on May 27, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here's a question for you

Are you trying to eliminate defense, or luck and defense?

A lot of BABIP is not how well the defense performs, but about the random distribution of location of balls in play. If Jiminez allows a line drive right to the center fielder, his defense didn’t perform well, he just got lucky based on where the ball was hit. The question is whether or not you want to strip out that luck, even thought it actually happened. But if you do that, you also have to adjust for luck on strikeouts, walks, homers, etc. All stats in baseball have luck involved in them, not just BABIP.

If you are just trying to eliminate defense, you don’t care about whether he pitched much better with runners on (probably not sustainable) or he allowed a lot of batted balls right to fielders. You just care about what he actually did independent of what his defense actually did. In that case, you want something like defense adjusted RA, which is what Rally uses for WAR. And in that case, you want Jimenez as your allstar.

With pitching stats especially, it’s important to express what you are looking for.

by vivaelpujols on May 28, 2010 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Trying not to be too much of a homer,

but no mention of Prado or Heyward? Heyward leads the NL in wOBA and OPS now since Ethier has been on the DL and is no longer qualified

by The Big Cat on May 30, 2010 5:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Halladay clearly, now that he's thrown that perfect game

But I’d have made the argument for Jiminez two days ago.

Outfield is really tough this year, though. I know it’s been a few days since you wrote this, but that Alfonso Soriano selection is looking less and less appealing. Jason Heyward is second in the NL in WAR, trailing only the dynamic Chase Utley. I can’t leave him off my ballot because 1) I’m a Braves fan, 2) He’s awesome, and 3) He’s as exciting a player as there is. He’s leading the majors in WPA. He’s got the highest wOBA in the National League among qualified players.

The other outfield conundrum is Josh Willingham. There’s no way the poor man gets voted in, playing for a team that nobody pays any attention to at all, but he’s second in wOBA, fourth in fWAR, and first in OBP. It deserves to be said-the Nationals were looking to trade this man in the offseason. He’s been really, really good this year. And he’s still got a season of arbitration left after this one.

by Bronn on May 31, 2010 12:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, we're early enough in the season that these selections can pretty much change daily

If I did this every week, you’d probably see news guys on the list pretty much every time.

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by Satchel Price on May 31, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

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