Don't Look Now, But Toronto Might Already Have An Ace Again
Given the struggles that the Toronto Blue Jays have had finding a quality shortstop at times over the years, a main criticism of the team has been the team's decision to choose left-handed pitcher Ricky Romero over shortstop Troy Tulowitzki with the 6th pick in the 2005 MLB Draft. To many, Tulowitzki was viewed as the one who got away, as he emerged as a Rookie of the Year and is now arguably the best player on the Rockies, who took him with the next pick.
Romero was expected to be a left-handed groundball machine, a polished pitcher who showed off his craft while leading Cal State Fullerton to a College World Series victory. But shaky command and an inability to miss bats caused Romero to somewhat fall off the prospect charts after placing 87th on BA's 2006 Top 100, until a return to prominence last season. After finally having some relative success in the upper minors in 2008, he was a surprise inclusion on Toronto's Opening Day roster in 2009, winning a spot in the team's starting rotation.
To say the least, Romero burst onto the scene, finishing the year as a Rookie of the Year candidate with a 13-9 record and a 4.30 ERA in 29 starts. The underlying numbers were just as impressive, as he posted above average contact and swinging strike rates, as well as a 54% groundball rate to top it all off. He finished the year with a 4.33 FIP and a 4.09 xFIP, good for 2.7 fWAR in his debut season.
Before this season, most projections had Romero pegged for some regression, a roughly league average pitcher, possibly slightly below avearge. Romero was slotted in as the No. 2 starter behind Shaun Marcum to begin this season, and he's been nothing short of a marvel, putting the projections to shame. The Jays didn't have to go very long without a top of the rotation pitcher on their team, it appears.
Romero is currently 4-1 with a 2.88 ERA in 56 innings covering 8 starts and his underlying numbers indicate that he's been one of the best pitchers in baseball so far this season. His contact rate is the second-lowest in the AL among starters, with only teammate Brandon Morrow's mark being lower, and he's seen significant improve in his swing-and-miss percentage. Romero is not only inducing groundballs at his consistently impressive rate (he's currently at an above average 56%), he's missing bats with consistency now. He's tied for the AL lead in strikeouts, his K/9 is the 7th best in the AL, and he's even posted an improved 3.36 walk rate.
He generally depended on an impressive sinker early in his career, but now he's learned to mix in a variety of curveballs, changeups and sliders, and according to FanGraphs' pitch values, those latter three pitches have been by far his most effective pitches this year compared to his sinker. Romero's third in the AL in FIP and xFIP, and he's already tallied 1.8 fWAR for the year, 6th in the AL overall and 2nd among AL pitchers, behind only Minnesota's Francisco Liriano.
When the Blue Jays were looking for trade partners to deal Halladay, much of the talk surrounded trying to add a high upside pitcher that could potentially replace Halladay at the top of the rotation.They showed serious interest in Aroldis Chapman and even made a major bid to sign him, and eventually landed a potetial top of the rotation pitcher in right-handed prospect Kyle Drabek. While Chapman or Drabek might turn into a star pitcher within the next few years, it appears that the Blue Jays already have one in hand with Ricky Romero.
You know, it takes more than even four years to determine if a draft pick is a success sometimes, especially with pitchers. Because sometimes, with guys that are so loaded with talents, something clicks eventually. Apparently for Romero, something's clicked these past two years.
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Just imagine if they had kept their previous Ace.
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For one year, he wouldn't have had a choice
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
Was keeping Halladay ever totally realistic?
He wanted to win and that team still has some problems, and they’ve firmly established themselves as a team moving forward with the moves they’ve made lately (Halladay, Morrow, Gonzalez, Lind, Hechevarria).
Keeping Halladay and Wells would mean committing a ton of money to those two and I wonder if that’s a great idea going forward.
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by Satchel Price on May 17, 2010 12:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm not a fan of realism.
Which is why I started out the comment by referencing one’s imagination. :)
Still, though—the idea that they might’ve had Romero as their 4th or 5th starter is mindbending.
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by Justin Bopp on May 17, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
This is a weird thing to say.
But I don’t think their record right now would be any better this year with Halladay in there. Even if you just compare Roy to the Jay’s fifth starter (Eveland) you only get 3 more wins. I have read and seen multiple interviews/articles with the Jay’s staff talking about the rapport they’ve built with each other in the post Doc world. I don’t think that would exist with Halladay still on the team. He is a great guy and pitcher no doubt, but his “don’t talk to me if I’m pitching today” thing along with his general persona intimidated the heck out of the young Jay’s staff.
Now you have a situation with a bunch of young guys working together. They are following Roy’s work ethic, but they are working more together. Look at Morrow yesterday improving himself because of a tip Marcum gave him on his back leg following his delivery. I believe that the bond those young pitchers are forming together is worth at least 3 wins so far this season.
Add that to Wallace mashing it in prep of Overbay leaving, Drabek rounding into form and D’arnaud’s early season success (although out with a back injury atm) makes me feel quite happy with the team in the post Doc world.
If the Jays keep Halladay, the Phils keep Lee
and the Mariners probably keep Morrow, so he’s the guy Halladay would take the place of on the Jays.
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
True enough, but...
That doesn’t change the record of the Jays in any meaningful way, although of course long term I’d much rather have Morrow then Eveland. Morrow so far this year is being outperformed by Eveland. I don’t expect Eveland to keep up his good start, but he’s thrown several gems this year. (mainly against the pale sox and Orioles, he probably wishes he’d never have to face the Red Sox again.)
Eveland absolutely hasn't been better than Morrow
Eveland’s ERA is a bit better, but otherwise it’s not even close.
Eveland: 4.81 ERA, 0.86 K/BB, 4.92 FIP, 5.46 xFIP
Morrow: 6.15 ERA, 2.00 K/BB, 3.92 FIP, 3.89 xFIP
When you factor in that Morrow throws 92-96 while Eveland throws 86-89, it makes things that much easier to choose Morrow. Eveland is left-handed and induces more grounders, but otherwise, and overall, Morrow is a significantly better pitcher.
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by Satchel Price on May 17, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree on all your points
I’m just saying that it didn’t do anything about my point in that losing Halladay right now doesn’t seem to have cost the Jays much in the win column. I’d much much rather have Morrow then Eveland, but they’ve both had similar number of quality starts as well as awful starts.
if I remember correctly
Part of the clicking was a mechanical change shown by the blue Jay’s pitching coach, around or during spring training in 2009. That seemed to fix the control issues, which has allowed him to take a step forward this year
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There was this guy named Halladay...
That had a fair amount of hype around him when he was a young guy coming up but he just didn’t seem to be getting it. He was inconsistent.
Then a pitching coach helped him fix a mechanical issue and everything changed. He became one of the best pitchers of his generation.
Well, let's not get ahead of ourselves.
But if Romero can even establish himself as a ~3.75 ERA/FIP guy over 200 innings, he’ll be a major piece in Toronto’s rebuilding.
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by Satchel Price on May 17, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not saying he will be Roy, but the similarities are there and he had time to learn from Doc.
I do think we have a perenial 15+ winner with a sub 3.50 ERA pitcher in Romero.
For sure
I mean, by writing this piece I’ve clearly shown some confidence in Romero maintaining a good deal of what he’s done so far this season. I don’t think that he, or really anyone, can replace Halladay, but that doesn’t make his emergence any less huge.
Between Romero, Marcum, Morrow, Rzepczynski, Cecil, Drabek, Stewart, and Mills, the Blue Jays should be able to build some really nice rotations over the next few years.
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by Satchel Price on May 17, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know why people don't like him more
He’s performed well at every level, including the majors, and he looks like he should be a solid No. 4 or so, possibly a little better, for a while. Guys like him get talked about a lot more elsewhere.
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by Satchel Price on May 18, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions
The question is whether the Ks will carry over to the MLB
His control isn’t particularly good and the concern is whether he was simply relying on minor leaguers chasing his offspeed stuff out of the zone. I think he can be a back of the rotation guy, but I don’t really see him being more than that. It should be interesting to see how he fares.
I'm not sure how fair that is
He struck out 60 in 61 innings in Toronto last season, although his contact rate was just average and his whiff rate was below average. Still, he doesn’t need a 8-9 K/9 in order to succeed, he can lose some strikeouts and still be a good pitcher.
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by Satchel Price on May 18, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
If he can throw strikes
As you said, the contact rates don’t really match the strikeout totals. So I don’t know how good he’ll actually be if the walks don’t come down with them. His GB rate should allow him to be a decent back of the rotation option at the very least though.
He has a weird wind up
But nasty as movement and a great slider, so I don’t really care.
by vivaelpujols on May 18, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Slider
His pitches are showing more armside movement and sink, for some reason, but his slider especially stands out. He doesn’t throw many but his slider is showing different movement and lower velocity. He’s also throwing a lot more two-seamers.
This all according to fangraphs’s data:
http://www.fangraphs.com/pitchfx.aspx?playerid=3403&position=P
I've had a lot of smart people tell me to take this year's Pitch F/X data with a grain of salt
His slider’s movement has been a little wacky this year, and I have a tough time believing that the catalyst in his improvement is a pitch that he’s throws roughly 7% of the time.
His changeup is clearly his out-pitch, it’s definitely plus and he throws it more than a quarter of the time. When he’s consistently commanding all of his pitches, sitting on his change and breaking ball are really tough, and he’s a guy who already induces a lot of weak contact as is.
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by Satchel Price on May 17, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think the slider is the catalyst, the change in movement just struck me. The difference in movement for the other pitches is not something I’m reading anything into.
I agree the CH is his out-pitch but it’s always been a good pitch for him. Sometimes improvement comes from taking a liability (the slider) and making it an asset or not throwing it at all. I think he’s got his whole arsenal working for him and the improvement has come from all his pitches.
Oh, absolutely
I think that he was always able to work it okay with the fastball/change combination, but in order to really take strides he had to develop a third offering. There was a lot of doubt about whether that third pitch would really progress, but now he’s got three legitimately solid pitches, and improvements in command have turned him into a beast.
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by Satchel Price on May 17, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not the same slider for sure
In fact with how i’ve seen the pitch move he has completely scrapped the slider and begun to throw his curveball in two planes. The “slider’s” are really his 10-4 offering, little more velocity but the big sweeping break gives it away.
just look at the change in movement
2009 Horizontal movement: 1.3
2010: -5.6
2009 Vertical: 0.8
2010: -2.7
And a velocity decrease from a slider-esque 83.0 to 80 on the spot.
He certainly owned the Rangers on Sat.
His change up was impressive.
Thank you Houston for drafting Jason Castro.
He throws it a lot compared to some pitchers, but his +7.5 run value on his change so far in 2010
is fourth in the majors, behind Lincecum (11.4), Braden (9.0) and Marcum (+8.8).
It’s clearly one of the better changeups in baseball.
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by Satchel Price on May 17, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions

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