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BtB Saber-Slanted Fantasy League: The Scoring System


I am happy to say that the Beyond the Box Score Saber-Slanted Fantasy League, brought to you by CBSSports.com, is filled to the brim and ready to draft! In this short piece, I'll detail a little bit more about the scoring system and investigate the impact of changes to the saves/holds categories.

But first, let me make a few quick announcements.

- The following people are officially in the league:

BtB Authors/Alumns

- Yours truly, Michael Jong

- Sky Kalkman

- Erik Manning

- JinAZ

- Jack Moore

These are the esteemed gentlemen with whom the BtB readers will be competing. And who are these readers?

Readers

- billp

- Zach Sanders

- viktor06

- I miss Jack Buck

- JBrew

- Alex

- Shane

- LeeTro

- kidlondon

- Nathan Holmes

Congrats to all who got signed up. Viktor, I'm missing a team name from you, unless you would like to have your team known as Team 3.

- The second announcement is a slight rules change. You will now require 6 SP and 3 RP for your active roster.

- The tentative draft date is set for next Saturday at 8 pm. Please talk to me if there are any issues with that time, I'm very flexible on this.

Now, onto the rules talk.

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There was a lot of contention regarding the rules for pitchers, particularly for relievers. While JinAZ' initial points design was designed to give more credit to relievers to simulate the leverage aspect by giving them more points for saves/holds, many of our readers found that preposterous because of the fact that saves, in and of themselves, are useless. Still, I liked the idea of seeing elite closers get point totals similar to average starters, but I knew that there may be an issue with poorer relievers getting too many points.

I took standard and WAR data from 2008 and 2009 from FanGraphs for all pitchers. I then instituted three point systems that were very similar: one with with the scoring system as is (5 pts / save), one with no points for saves, and one with a middle ground of 3 pts / save. I ran a linear regression of WAR with each of these point system results, yielding the following results.

5 pts / save

3 pts / save

0 pts / save

The correlations between WAR and these point totals vary very slightly, with the 5 pt, 3 pt, and 0 pt versions all around 0.83 - 0.835. With values this close, I'd be an idiot to argue for any given one. I'm inclined to go with the opinion of the league members. I attached a poll for those readers interested in the league as well; in light of this "research," what do you think would be the best system to use?

And the pitch, again

I would be remiss if I did not mention that you too could run your own CBSSports.com Commissioner Fantasy Baseball League if you don't like the one here on BtB. In addition, not only should you go ahead and run one, but SBNation is giving you a chance to do so at a reduced cost, only $90 instead of the regular $180!

Here's how you can do it. Get to CBSSports.com via this link and you can go ahead and set up a league as similar or dissimilar to mine as you'd like. Not only will you get half off on your Commissioner League, but you'll also cut me a little bit as well, and you'll in turn receive my gratitude. And really, isn't that the greatest gift of all?

Here's some of the features of the league in which you may be interested:

- Customize entire league the way you want...rules, scores, teams + more

- LIVE scoring & stats so you can follow along as your teams rack up points

- Keeper league capability to carry on the tradition for many seasons to come

- Expert analysis provides up-to-date information on all players & teams

- Live chat/league messenger to trash talk with your competition

- 14-Day Free Trial included

Again, if you're interested, go and get your half-off Commissioner League from CBSSports.com and start the league you always wanted to have.

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Commissioner League.

Poll
Which scoring system for pitchers should be used?
5 pts per Save, 2 pts per Hold
26 votes
3 pts per Save, 1 pt per Hold
31 votes
0 pts per Save or Hold
27 votes

84 votes | Poll has closed

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To me, it's a tradeoff:

Draft time works great for me. Might be the best possible time, actually!

Require points for saves: spend a lot of time chasing saves all year. Questions about whether Rauch vs. whoever takes over for Nathan become important, which is sort of annoying.

No points for saves: spend a lot of time looking for guys who are starters but have RP eligibility. If Phil Hughes makes the Yankee rotation, he’d be among the most valuable relievers available because of all the innings he’d get. Sort of annoying too. … (actually, if Hughes makes the rotation, he might be among the most valuable w/ or without save points).

The other option is for all P’s (or SP/RP split), but keeping save points. That could work too…but I think fewer RP’s would actually be used on rosters that way, meaning lots of times will need 7 or 8 starters!

The more I think about it, the more I lean toward that last option. Might push it for 2011 in my own league (we draft tomorrow, though, so I’m not changing rules for this season so late).
-j

by JinAZ on Mar 20, 2010 11:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, I think if you have the RP/SP requirement, you should give points for saves/holds.

If you only have one big P category, then you can ditch saves/holds.

Scoring system doesn’t matter to me — I’ll win either way.

by Sky Kalkman on Mar 20, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I actually was thinking the opposite

SP/RP requires you to have relievers no matter what, so it sort of doesn’t matter how saves/holds are valued. You will have the premium on high IP starters with reliever eligibility, but at least there aren’t an insane number of those.

All P basically frees you to ignore RP’s altogether if you don’t give points to saves.
-j

by JinAZ on Mar 20, 2010 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Saves/Holds points are needed...

If you take out those categories using last year’s stats, Broxton is still the best reliever, but he drops to the 100th best pitcher, just behind Ian Snell and Braden Looper. That’s an issue to me. Using the 3/1 method, Looper and Snell lie just ahead of Hughes and Papelbon, which is ok. Using the 5/2 method, they lie just ahead of Sherrill and Marmol, which is probably the best, in my opinion.

HS team nickname: Redmen, College team nickname: Warriors, Amateur team nickname: Chiefs, Favorite MLB team: Braves. Holy political incorrectness...

by LeeTro on Mar 20, 2010 12:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Team name

Hey sorry, I got distracted from the discussion

I’ll go with ‘Slavia’ as my team name

by viktor06 on Mar 20, 2010 12:53 PM EDT reply actions  

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