Could the 2011 Blue Jays Be Good?
Yesterday on FanGraphs, Dave Cameron pointed out that the Blue Jays only have $33M in guaranteed contracts for 2011 (the vast majority of which is hung up on Vernon Wells. Score!), and including arbitration-eligible players Toronto's payroll going into the 2010-2011 offseason could very well be in the $45-50M range. Assuming that ownership doesn't cut payroll by a significant amount, and with a new, apparently very talented GM in tow in Alex Anthopolous, is there a chance that Toronto could field a legitimately good team as soon as next season?
As always, Cameron did a great job of outlining how Toronto has gotten a good deal of payroll flexibility for 2011 and beyond, thanks primarily to the Roy Halladay, Alex Rios and Scott Rolen deals, although he doesn't mention them specifically. Here's a quick look at what Toronto should have in place for 2011 before dabbling in the open market: Brett Wallace at first base, Aaron Hill at second base, Travis Snider and Vernon Wells in the outfield, Adam Lind at DH or in the final outfield spot, and a bevy of young pitchers led by Ricky Romero, Shaun Marcum, Brandon Morrow, Marc Rzepzczynski and Brett Cecil.
The catcher position could potentially be filled by J.P. Arencibia, although he would need to take some major strides given his plate discipline and contact issues. They could retain Edwin Encarnacion for his final arbitration year as well, but he would likely garner too high of a salary to be worth it. Presumably, the team won't be able to tolerate E-5's glove (or lack there of) for much more than a year. Just ask the Reds why they dealt him.
Overall, the majority of the available funds needs to be put into adding a shortstop, catcher, third baseman, and an outfielder, preferably a center fielder so that Wells can be moved to left field, as well as veteran help for the pitching staff. Obviously, it's worth noting that numerous guys who are currently in line to be free agents will sign extensions, and things can change a lot over the course of nearly a year both in Toronto and throughout the league. But Toronto likely won't be a buyer this year, so if anything, they'll be looking to dump free agents-to-be like Lyle Overbay and Scott Downs when the trade deadline comes around.
Assuming the course projected above, in which the team doesn't give up any of its future assets to contend in 2010, let's look at what Anthopolous and company could do come the winter of 2010, if they chose to take a route similar to the one that Baltimore apparently took this offseason: add a few veteran pieces on one-year deals, keep developing the young guys, hope that some lucky breaks will make next season a good one, and plan on really breaking out the year after that.
Looking at the free agent class, the top catchers are Victor Martinez and Joe Mauer, although both are likely to be too costly for the Blue Jays. They could pursue another veteran like A.J. Pierzynski or Gerald Laird, but retaining John Buck or going after a cheaper guy like Gregg Zaun (assuming his option is declined) would likely suffice. Zaun is a guy who's seemingly perpetually underrated.
The Jays likely can't expect a big upgrade at shortstop either without making a trade, as the biggest names beyond the two New York shortstops, who aren't likely to go anywhere. They can retain Alex Gonzalez for $2.5M, and they already have John McDonald signed through 2011 as well. Offense is definitely lacking there, but the best bat with a chance to hit the market, Jhonny Peralta, won't even be playing shortstop next season. The third base class is similar to the shortstop one: a couple big names at the top that are unlikely to hit the market, and aging veterans with issues beyond that. Guys like Brandon Inge or Christian Guzman could be appealing if the asking prices are right.
The outfield and the pitching staff are the places where the Jays have a shot to really improve their roster. The outfield class for 2011 should be solid, headlined by Carl Crawford and Canadian slugger native of Illinois Jayson Werth at the top, and the DH class should also once again be plentiful, with Manny, Thome, Matsui, Guerrero, Burrell, Huff and Ortiz due to hit free agency. If the Jays want to spend big to add another outfielder, or a designated hitter to push Adam Lind to left field, they should be able to do so with ease. If they could get Coco Crisp on a one-year deal to push Wells to left, that could be a good move as well.
Toronto could potentially have another excellent pitching staff in place by 2011, which would likely be the main pillar of the team. After dealing away Roy Halladay, the team presumably wouldn't want to spend big to add an ace like Josh Beckett, Javier Vazquez, Brandon Webb or Cliff Lee unless it's a short-term deal, but the market should be flush with options. Ben Sheets and Rich Harden should hit free agency again if they're looking for high-upside innings. Or they could take the middle route, looking at starters like Jorge De La Rosa, Aaron Harang, Ted Lilly and Hiroki Kuroda, solid guys who could give the team a veteran presence and some solid innings, if the injury questions scare them away
It's also worth noting that they could also potentially get some contributions from Kyle Drabek or Zach Stewart if either one of them takes major strides developmentally in the minors in 2010. The bullpen has some good pieces in place in Frasor, Carlson, Janssen, Accardo, Tallet, and Roenicke, and just like this offseason there should be numerous late-inning options on the market, if they choose not to retain Downs.
If the Blue Jays went into 2010 with a lineup of Buck, Wallace, Hill, Inge, Gonzalez/McDonald, Wells, Crisp, Snider and Lind, with a rotation of Romero, Morrow, Marcum, Cecil/Rzepzcynski and one of those free agent arms, who's to say that they couldn't pull out an 85-90 win season if a couple things go right? They could easily fit Inge, Crisp, Gonzalez, and a pitcher into their budget, and Snider and Wallace could help to provide a good deal of the offensive improvement.
All in all, I think that Cameron made a really great point to show that there's reason to be optimistic about what's going on in Toronto. All four of the other teams in the division have taken major strides towards establishing winning ways, and the new management in Toronto has been very impressive this offseason in handling the Halladay deal, as well as making solid moves for Morrow and Buck. The Blue Jays may not have the best farm system, but presumably new management will do a much better job of signing top draft picks than the previous one, and they've already taken major strides in improving their long-term ability to compete.
Of course, the team could also flounder in 2010 and push back their projection window of contention back until Drabek, D'Arnaud, Jenkins, Snider, and company are more established, but it wouldn't be surprising if Toronto took the Baltimore route.
As Cameron said, 2010 may not be the prettiest year in Toronto, but things are really looking up. Toronto could very well be a spender next offseason if Lind, Hill and Romero show that their 2009 performances weren't completely flukes, and they can get some breakout performances from guys like Snider, Wallace, Morrow, Cecil and Roenicke. Toronto is probably still in the worst position of any team in the AL East, but under Anthopolous it appears that their future looks brighter than it has in at least a year.
Now that I'm done with this, I apologize as it got a little lengthy. My bad.
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HYPE!
You and Cameron are definitely getting my hopes up for 2011. Though Werth isn’t Canadian…
Now I feel like a knucklehead
I don’t know why I thought he was, I’m probably confusing him with another guy that I’m not coming up with off the top of my head.
And I think that’s the first time I’ve ever been mentioned in the same sentence as Dave Cameron.. if anyone should be getting your hopes up, it’s probably him.
If you squint really hard, it almost looks like my name is Satchel Paige.
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by Satchel Price on Feb 4, 2010 3:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Good is suuuuch a subjective term.
They could be substantially better and still be 4th in the East.
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I mean, I clarified that good meant an 85-90 win team
although that certainly would be shocking if that was enough to win the AL East though. But with the payroll space and talent base, I think it’s at least plausible that Toronto could contend for much of the 2011 season.
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by Satchel Price on Feb 4, 2010 5:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't think 85-90 wins could win the AL East
that would better fit for the AL Central. They need to pull out 93-100 wins to come out with the AL East. It is plausible that they can contend for much of the season until the trading deadline, where you know the Yankees and BoSox WILL be adding veteran talent at the trading deadline.
If the Jays have payroll room though
who’s to say that Toronto couldn’t add some players at the deadline as well? They will still have some decent pieces in the farm system, too.
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by Satchel Price on Feb 5, 2010 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
The AL East will be ridiculous in 2011
We know about the Yankees and Red Sox.
The O’s should be peaking with their young talent then (Weiters, Jones, Reimold, Markakis, Matusz, Tillman, Arrieta, Bell (maybe), Pie).
The Rays have some fabulous prospects waiting in the wings to take up the slack in the rotation and Wade Davis will fill in for the loss of Crawford.
And now the Blue Jays might make a splash.
Sheesh.
Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity
Really. Before writing this post
I actually thought about posing the question, “Could the 201X (hadn’t decided on a year yet) AL East be the best division in divisonal play history?”
I think it could actually end up being a legitimate question.
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by Satchel Price on Feb 4, 2010 5:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
oop, make that Desmond Jennings, not Wade Davis.
Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity
The Blue Jays have a chance of contending for a part of the season...
and as I said in my earlier reply, the Yankess and Bosox will add veteran talent to their starting lineup and bench. The only way that the Blue Jays have a chance of winning the division is if every player has a great season, and all trades they have work out for them. My mind leads me to think that they will have a good run until the beginning of July then they will slowly trade away the veterans on the verge of their contracts ending and getting a small return of okay/marginal prospects, and heck, maybe a veteran for veteran trade.(Like trading Lyle Overbay for a shortstop that is in the majors) I am excited though to see them play this year. They probably would have a better chance of contending with Rios.(Banking on the fact that he might do good this year. We just have to wait and see.
Keep in mind
that I wasn’t talking about 2010, I was talking about 2011. I said that 2010 won’t be too pretty in Toronto, it’s clearly a rebuilding year, but with payroll flexibility and some internal development, they could very well contend for much of 2011 and 2012.
They would probably have a better chance of contending in 2010 with Rios, but we’re talking about the long-term prognosis here, and they’re clearly better off without the 5-year, $59M commitment to Rios considering the brutal year he just had, and they’ll surely benefit from the new payroll space.
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by Satchel Price on Feb 5, 2010 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
oh sorry...
I thought you were talking about 2010, BIG misunderstanding on my part. They will have a lot of payroll room next year, and they could add pieces. I might put money on the jays contending in 2011 and 2012
2010 to 2011
Bye- Bye Birdie to Roy Halladay. But having Ricky Romero in 2011 having a 13-9 win~loss starting into the 2010 season it may work. They have not struck gold with some of there players but I’m waiting to see how the season will end up in 2010 then we’ll see. But now — NO.
Git 'r' dun.
"Toronto is probably still in the worst position of any team in the AL East"
This is the key sentence.
The Jays are way behind the big three in the division, and they don’t compare all that favorably to the Orioles either. The Orioles have even less money committed in 2011, have more young talent in the majors, and have a better farm system.

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