BoaB Zack Greinke Draft Rounds 6-15
by Zach Sanders on Feb 20, 2010 6:03 PM EST
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PrintDraft order in these rounds is:
1. Steve Slowinski
2. DempseysArmy
3. Steven Ellingson
4. Daniel Berlyn
5. Tommy Bennett
6. Grantjg1
7. perfectstrat
8. PWHjort
9. Zach Sanders
10. oldjacket
11. Dan Turkenkopf
12. RedRobot8
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"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 20, 2010 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
NOTE: Something happened to the spreadsheet
I’m not sure exactly what, but somehow a bunch of players were pasted into cells and peoples picks on the board are incorrect. Please make every attempt to update your picks ASAP.
Mine look good.
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 20, 2010 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
I think it's just Oldjacket through perfectstrat
Check rounds 2 and 3.
by Zach Sanders on Feb 20, 2010 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
Yea, that's wierd.
I’ll get it fixed ASAP.
by perfectstrat on Feb 20, 2010 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
Mine were out of whack, too
I had Matt Kemp and Brett Anderson listed as my two and three picks, they’re, in fact, Jon Lester and Adam Lind.
Fixed now.
http://www.capitolavenueclub.com/
Now seems like a good time for a review of rds. 1-5
What does everyone think? Winners/losers?
The only observation I have is that I'm the only one w/o a SP.
We’ll see how it goes.
by Zach Sanders on Feb 20, 2010 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
Also please note that grantjg1 is LOADED in pitching.
by perfectstrat on Feb 20, 2010 6:43 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I noticed that.
To tough to call the winners and losers so early. Depends on what the thrifty do with their money.
FU, FO
I plan on wasting it, like I did last year.
I don’t even remember why I decided Jamie Moyer was a good idea. In fact, I couldn’t remember why I did it a week after the draft. Just one of those “oh, what the hell” picks.
by Zach Sanders on Feb 20, 2010 6:45 PM EST up reply actions
Here are the leaderboards, according to CHONE
It’s hard to say what is more important at this point: salary or WAR
Name WAR Salary
Grant 23.69 20.90
Dan T 20.36 10.92
ME 17.13 2.27
RedRobot 18.44 7.18
Steve Slow 21.03 16.03
oldjacket 18.91 14.41
perfectstrat 17.20 9.50
PWH 17.36 11.91
Tommy 18.40 15.12
Zach 15.10 6.49
Daniel 16.09 11.78
Dempsey 12.89 8.07
If any of those numbers look way off – it’s probably because my spreadsheet is all automated. If I type in Zach Greinke instead of Zack Greinke, Grant loses 6 WAR.
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 20, 2010 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
My projections have me at 20.75 WAR at the moment
And I consider mine to be fair, if not conservative.
by Zach Sanders on Feb 20, 2010 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
CHONE has nyjer morgan at 1.7 WAR
and Andrus at 1.5.
Both of those look pretty silly.
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 20, 2010 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
Yep
CHONE is low on most players, I’ve found. But, that’s the way a lot of projection systems are. They don’t take big leaps.
by Zach Sanders on Feb 20, 2010 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
Plus it is using totalzone
which didn’t like either of those players as much as UZR.
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 20, 2010 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
Which, perhaps, might be a reason to think UZR won't like them as much next year.
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by Sky Kalkman on Feb 20, 2010 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
Don't crap on my players, Sky
Already worried enough about looking like a fool.
by Zach Sanders on Feb 20, 2010 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
I actually like both those guys and it's hard not to think they're both very good fielders.
But if I had the time/energy to pull in other fielding metrics, I definitely would, as a check against anything UZR might be missing. If only BJO was user friendly…
(I’m sure you would too, just saying.)
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by Sky Kalkman on Feb 20, 2010 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
Last year, 24 players had WAR 5 or over
Chone projects 12. Not buying it.
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by Daniel Berlyn on Feb 20, 2010 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but that doesn't mean that CHONE expects only 12 players to have 5 WAR or over
Every projection has error bars around it. Enough people will end up in the higher portion of the error bar that there will be more than 12.
It’s easy to predict how many players will have >5 WAR, >200 innings, etc. but it’s a lot harder to actually pick the players.
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 20, 2010 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
True, but their job is to project players, so it shows how little faith we should put in them.
by Zach Sanders on Feb 20, 2010 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
They project a mean for each player
they aren’t supposed to predict outliers.
No projection is perfect, I just don’t like arguments like that one. If CHONE predicted 24 players to have WAR’s over 5, then they’d be less accurate.
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 20, 2010 7:19 PM EST up reply actions
fair enough
I think for the top guys that projections are less necessary, though.
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by Daniel Berlyn on Feb 20, 2010 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t even know about that. The guys who achieve an top season do tend to fall back to the pack a bit in the following year. Then there’s injury risk and all that.
You do wish these things were better at forecasting breakouts ( like PECOTA was supposed to back in the Nate Silver days) but I generally don’t have much in the way of complaints about projection systems.
FU, FO
Projection systems are good at what they do.
However, one of my goals is to create a breakout-centered projection system. For “standard” fantasy leagues, we don’t care about the mean projection for most players; we care about the % of the time that those players will be stars (i.e. fantasy difference-makers). Mean projections only matter for the top 100 players or so; everyone else is as likely as not to be bounced off the wire.
Clearly, such a system would not be as accurate as “real” projection systems, and would have little/no applicability to the real world, but it would be fun.
When it comes to picking out individual players.
I think our intuitions, given our knowledge of both the game and the metrics we’re using, are a better indicator of talent than any projections.
Also, we’re picking a lot of younger players with serious upside (my team’s average age is 25 in 2010 so far, for instance), which means in general there’s probably more room for projection than an algorithm can account for.
http://www.capitolavenueclub.com/
We have knowledge of the game?
WHAT WHAT WHAT
by perfectstrat on Feb 20, 2010 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
Think that was a typo
Should have said knowledge of gaming, spreadsheets, and loneliness.
by Zach Sanders on Feb 20, 2010 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
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by Daniel Berlyn on Feb 20, 2010 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
I suppose I could have sorted that to make it easier to read
Anyway, Grant has the most WAR, I have the least payroll.
Dempsey has the least WAR (i think he is expecting Riemold and Matusz to beat their CHONE projections considerably), and grant has the highest payroll.
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 20, 2010 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
Well, yeah...
CHONE is notoriously poor at projecting young players with little MLB track record. Yes, I expect Matusz to start more than 18 games and Reimold to ohit more than 18 homers. I think he DH’s a bit too which helps his poor fielding.
But that’s just my 2 cents. I don’t believe anyone is clinging to CHONE in this venture.
by DempseysArmy on Feb 21, 2010 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
Can you back up that claim in your first sentence?
Are you talking rate stats or playing time?
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Both.
If you can get me the last three years of CHONE projections, I’ll demonstrate. Anecdotally, I have noticed the trend. Not surprising…no one knows how players will adjust to the promotion, when they will adjust or if they will ever adjust at all. If you can solve that with certainty, you could make yourself a lot of money.
So I guess I should clarify that ALL projection systems are poor at predicting performance for rookie types at the MLB level.
by DempseysArmy on Feb 22, 2010 8:27 AM EST up reply actions
Oh wait...
….BaseballProjection.com has them archived. Looks like I’ll be writing a post on the subject.
by DempseysArmy on Feb 22, 2010 8:29 AM EST up reply actions
That's more clear:
So I guess I should clarify that ALL projection systems are poor at predicting performance for rookie types at the MLB level.
I’d agree if by “poor” you mean “worse at predicting rookies than veterans”. But like TotalZone vs. UZR, it’s more like the difference between 5/10 and 7/10, not 2/10 and 7/10.
I’d argue that given the traditional assumption that we have no idea how well rookies will play, they’re surprisingly projectable.
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Oh, I'd agree with this point...
I’d argue that given the traditional assumption that we have no idea how well rookies will play, they’re surprisingly projectable.
…but for the purpose of this game, even if the CHONE projections are off by .5-1.0 WAR (under or over), that’s significant. I think if you know the situation the rookie is in with their team and the sort of player they are, you can pick out guys who will exceed playing time projections and perhaps the performance projections as well.
by DempseysArmy on Feb 22, 2010 8:38 AM EST up reply actions
Those numbers look pretty close to mine,
except RR8-WAR likes my team more than CHONE-WAR. No real surprise there.
It will be fascinating to see how the opposite strategies of Grant and Ellingson play out.
I raised this question in the other thread, but since it is kinda dead, I'll ask it again.
Isn’t Lincecums salary this year $9 Million rather than 10?
I thought it was 9
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 20, 2010 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
that makes it 9.
His base salary is 8 million.
by perfectstrat on Feb 20, 2010 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
... with a little help from my friends
Thanks, perfectstrat
To be clear
if we want to use 10, as everyone was relying on that #, I have no objection.
I changed it to 9 before the draft
per a discussion on another thread.
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 20, 2010 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
I highly reccomend someone taking Edinson Volquez
Hes getting paid the league minimum and posted 4.3 WAR in 2008.
I'm snatching them both up with my next pick.
by perfectstrat on Feb 20, 2010 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
with my next pick:
I select a discarded pile of elbow tendons.
FU, FO
by oldjacket on Feb 20, 2010 7:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
6.03 Joe Mauer, C
12.5 m (dempsey timed out)
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 20, 2010 9:05 PM EST reply actions
No. Cutoff time is 9.
Dempsey timed out at 8:51
by Zach Sanders on Feb 20, 2010 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
6.04 Gavin Floyd, SP, $2.75 M
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it made the most sense to me
and you really shouldn’t have put your moves out there like that anyway.
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by Daniel Berlyn on Feb 20, 2010 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
There was no choice. I had to leave, and didn't want to get skipped.
And of course it made sense to you, it was a great pick. I’m just disappointed he didn’t fall another three slots. ;_;
by perfectstrat on Feb 20, 2010 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
For what it's worth, I would have taken Scherzer until you did.
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by Daniel Berlyn on Feb 20, 2010 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
Note to everyone: Stop taking SP
Save some for me, please.
by Zach Sanders on Feb 20, 2010 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
I just didn't expect it.
I mean, its a big salary, but he’s a very proven 7-8 WAR player. I just didn’t expect the big spending to come this early, is all.
by perfectstrat on Feb 20, 2010 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
Mauer going forced my hand
I wanted at least one more high-ceiling guy, and people being so frugal led me to believe that this was my last chance to spend on something safe.
I'm glad I got Zimmerman when I did then.
Seemed like I nabbed him just before the big spending began.
by perfectstrat on Feb 20, 2010 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
C'mon Man
I was taking him this go around, no joke. Told myself going into draft that I would take him if he were there in the sixth.
by Zach Sanders on Feb 20, 2010 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
You just couldn't let me have the most expensive guy
could you?
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 20, 2010 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
Was sort of expecting it
I knew someone was going to throw a knife in everyone’s plans, and I was going to wait until the tenth because he’s just so expensive.
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by Daniel Berlyn on Feb 20, 2010 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
6.07 Cliff Lee SP
$9 Million
ZACH MADE A MISTAKE OMG GUIZ END OF THE WORLD.
(btw, you missed the thing on cots where it says 2010 option increases to $9 million w/ Cy Young)
Is that in response to me taking Lee, or your mistake?
Or both?
by perfectstrat on Feb 20, 2010 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
Both.
I hate all of you so very, very much.
by Zach Sanders on Feb 20, 2010 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
I don't get it
what was his mistake?
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 20, 2010 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
I had Lee at $8mm
Didn’t notice the elevator clause.
by Zach Sanders on Feb 20, 2010 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
My gosh, are we all on the draft board spreadsheet at the moment?
It tells me 10 others are viewing that sheet as well right now. Crazy.
"I never threw an illegal pitch. The trouble is, once in a while I toss one that ain't never been seen by this generation." - Satchel Paige
by Steve Slowinski on Feb 20, 2010 11:52 PM EST reply actions
Yeah, most are on. Just weird timing.
I just want Peter to make his pick so I can get it done tonight.
One problem with being on the west coast is the morning hours of the draft are hard since I’m not awake for them.
by Zach Sanders on Feb 21, 2010 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
Its likely that some people leave their computers on, or close the lid.
That leaves them logged on while they are afk. So even though everyone’s currently looking at the sheet, I doubt all 12 of us are currently present.
by perfectstrat on Feb 21, 2010 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
miss out on anyone?
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by Daniel Berlyn on Feb 21, 2010 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
Ehhh....maybe...
I just left for my poker game thinking I was home free. Oh well…
by DempseysArmy on Feb 21, 2010 12:37 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, that's the way the cookie crumbles
And I implore all of you again: Stop taking my pitchers.
by Zach Sanders on Feb 21, 2010 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
Sorry man
I wouldn’t have picked, except I knew I’d be gone all morning. Also, I didn’t realize than 5 more people would pick before you got here.
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 21, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
6.08 Desmond Jennings
Best approach in MiLB. I don’t have access to a computer, so if someone could handle the salary/draft board stuff for me, I’d appreciate it.
http://www.capitolavenueclub.com/
What sort of Wizardry allowed you to post without a computer?
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 21, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
The magic of the iPhone
Plus, I’m bigger than a duck, so I must be a witch.
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Sorry man, but barring injuries he's not making MLB this year.
I was debating taking him as my number 4 outfielder just in case, though. He is a hell of a player.
"I never threw an illegal pitch. The trouble is, once in a while I toss one that ain't never been seen by this generation." - Satchel Paige
by Steve Slowinski on Feb 21, 2010 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
he should be up at some point
especially if they trade Crawford.
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by Daniel Berlyn on Feb 21, 2010 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
With all the spending, now was the time
Wanted Albert this round, but Utley saves me $1mm, so I suppose I can’t complain.
by Zach Sanders on Feb 21, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
And who keeps trying to give me Willy Tavares?
by Dan Turkenkopf on Feb 21, 2010 11:34 AM EST reply actions
Ha. If I was Willy Tavares, I'd be doing the same thing.
Then I’d show it to Ed Wade.
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 21, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
Reminder
Rolls back to Steve for the start of round 7, and here on out.
by Zach Sanders on Feb 21, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
He hasn't time out.
He has until 3:43pm EST.
by Zach Sanders on Feb 21, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
7.03 Victor Martinez, 1b, C
7 mm
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 21, 2010 4:02 PM EST reply actions
Picked last round:
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2010/2/20/1319504/boab-zack-greinke-draft-rounds-6-15#31127766
http://www.capitolavenueclub.com/
Question
What are the qualifications for Util? Are there any?
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 21, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
Can't be a pitcher
But any position player or DH.
by Zach Sanders on Feb 21, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
If my team was a real team, Victor Martinez would be my 3rd string catcher
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 21, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
But Victor isn't on your team
So it doesn’t matter.
by Zach Sanders on Feb 21, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
Ha, whoops
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 21, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
Thoughts on SP vs RP?
We need to set some kind of rule here, and we didn’t really get around to it last thread. What makes a pitcher a starter, and what makes him a reliever?
First, it has to be based off of last year’s numbers, not projected role this year, since that’s how we do it at all other positions.
Second, I think MLB role trumps their MiLB role from ’09. For example, Feliz is a RP, not a SP. This eliminates a lot of the questions, but what do we do about pitchers who had both roles?
I think it doesn't really matter; the IP limit should account for this issue.
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by Daniel Berlyn on Feb 21, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
I actually don't know if we do
I was thinking about this — with the innings limit, I don’t know if it’s important. Too many starters just screws y0urself.
7.03, Scott Baker, SP
3 mm
No one’s taken him yet, right?
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 21, 2010 4:27 PM EST reply actions
Just to be clear, Daniel has until 6:02 EST to make a pick
Time goes off the original selection by Steven, not the repick. Technically Daniel could have picked before Steven even repicked.
by Zach Sanders on Feb 21, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
7.04, Kevin Youkilis, 1B/3B, $9.125 M
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Great pick
I was hoping he’d fall another couple of rounds so I could justify taking my last outfielder.
by Zach Sanders on Feb 21, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
I was wondering when someone was going to take him
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 21, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
He did destroy Rays and Yankees pitching in the last two Series.
You guys win. You can keep your little marked-out piece of internet territory. Spend your days communicating via keyboard with people too ugly for the real world and too nerdy for anyone to care, anyway. Your piece of land is here. Do the rest of civilization a favor and stay within its limits. You bore me. Have fun with your nightly sobs and screams into your pillow over your inability to attract a good mate, Radiohead. ~The Hooligan
by Daniel Berlyn on Feb 21, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
I traded for Werth this morning in my keeper league.
But as a Met fan, I am very glad that he will be leaving Philly after this season.
Right call
Wright’s power comes back and there’s more upside
That upside is exactly why I went with David.
But as a Mets fan, I can’t deny that I was a bit gunshy.
Fascinated by your draft, incidentally
Wonder if you’ll be able to make your pitching work, and if your $ will be useful late.
Although since you're a Mets fan ...
I hope you fail miserably.
Go Braves! :)
I am fascinated by this whole thing.
I didn’t play last season and I didn’t get a real draft sheet up and running until Round 5, so I’ve been relying on intuition. I may have spent too little money early, but feel fortunate to come away with Wright and especially Roy Halladay here in the 7th. I love the upside of my players, but my shallow fantasy league bias towards risk may not be best for this format. In any case, I am now #2 in money spent, so we may need to find someone else to be the thrifty guinea pig.
For what it’s worth, my little draft algorithm that attempts to balance $/WAR says that you are blowing the field away. Near the top are Tommy Bennett and Dan Turkenkopf (most $ remaining), so it isn’t displaying a strategy bias. It also likes my team, which is to be expected because it is using my personal WAR projections.
yeah, Grant's team looks kickass.
You guys win. You can keep your little marked-out piece of internet territory. Spend your days communicating via keyboard with people too ugly for the real world and too nerdy for anyone to care, anyway. Your piece of land is here. Do the rest of civilization a favor and stay within its limits. You bore me. Have fun with your nightly sobs and screams into your pillow over your inability to attract a good mate, Radiohead. ~The Hooligan
by Daniel Berlyn on Feb 21, 2010 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but
I think the counterargument is that my team is going to be risk-heavy
… featuring lots of high-end pitchers and stars. A few injuries could make my roster a mess.
That said, I think I made the right call by grabbing as many high-ceiling, semi-economical guys early … but we’ll see
getting the four best players last year
is a lot less risky than relying on cheap, generally unproven players. Honestly, we might be fighting for second place now.
You guys win. You can keep your little marked-out piece of internet territory. Spend your days communicating via keyboard with people too ugly for the real world and too nerdy for anyone to care, anyway. Your piece of land is here. Do the rest of civilization a favor and stay within its limits. You bore me. Have fun with your nightly sobs and screams into your pillow over your inability to attract a good mate, Radiohead. ~The Hooligan
by Daniel Berlyn on Feb 21, 2010 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
We'll see
Remember that I still have to fill out a roster w/ 16M. Brother, can you spare a dime?
since you could make a roster with 10 M
you’re in very good shape.
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by Daniel Berlyn on Feb 21, 2010 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
With no roster moves, we are all at the mercy of injuries.
Even if you had a bunch of money to spend on your bench, you’d have to be careful to not go too far over the AB limit or you’ll water down your good performances. So I think spending big on the starting lineup is the way to go. Or at least that’s what I decided in Round 6.
Damn it.
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by Daniel Berlyn on Feb 21, 2010 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
He's going to struggle early...
….but an intriguing pick.
by DempseysArmy on Feb 21, 2010 7:19 PM EST up reply actions
I admit, I had made a mental note not to forget about him.
But I was at least 5 rounds from pulling the trigger on him, and maybe more than that.
Had I picked lots of hitters early
… I would have picked him late
He's not on my spreadsheet. So he doesn't exist.
Pick again.
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 21, 2010 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
He's twenty years old.
The list of players that had genuinely great seasons during their age 20 season is very small and the list of players that had merely above-average seasons during their age 20 season isn’t much bigger.
That said, I think he’ll be a league average player at worst.
http://www.capitolavenueclub.com/
Looks like we'll be going in the morning.
I probably won’t be around, so here’s my queue:
1) Victor Martinez
2) Felix Hernandez
3) Victor Martinez
Thanks in advance!
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 21, 2010 10:35 PM EST reply actions
Felix has already gone....sorry, I took him a couple rounds ago.
"I never threw an illegal pitch. The trouble is, once in a while I toss one that ain't never been seen by this generation." - Satchel Paige
by Steve Slowinski on Feb 21, 2010 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
I'm surprised you're not interested in Victor Martinez...
…given your glaring need for a third catcher. I’m sure someone will grab him, anyway, since he’s wide open.
by Tommy Bennett on Feb 21, 2010 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
what the hell is going on here
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by Daniel Berlyn on Feb 21, 2010 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
8.1 Jose Reyes, SS
$9M
Also, I’m shifting Gordon Beckham over to 3B, just so people know.
"I never threw an illegal pitch. The trouble is, once in a while I toss one that ain't never been seen by this generation." - Satchel Paige
by Steve Slowinski on Feb 21, 2010 11:04 PM EST reply actions
He's a huge high upside pick
The risks are definitely there, but I’d say it’s worth it. I’m loading up on lots of guys with upside, so the hope is that even if not all of them pan out, the majority of them do. He is one of the riskier ones, though.
"I never threw an illegal pitch. The trouble is, once in a while I toss one that ain't never been seen by this generation." - Satchel Paige
by Steve Slowinski on Feb 21, 2010 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
Risk is one thing, but a $9mm risk is huge.
by Zach Sanders on Feb 21, 2010 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
Eh, true
Call me optimistic on Reyes.
And also, it’s just fantasy. No guts, no glory.
"I never threw an illegal pitch. The trouble is, once in a while I toss one that ain't never been seen by this generation." - Satchel Paige
by Steve Slowinski on Feb 21, 2010 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
Sure, he's a risk, but I think he's worth it at this stage.
Unless you want to go ultra-pricey, there’s just not that much safe talent available.
We get to draft a centaur?
I didn’t know that was a position in this league.
by Zach Sanders on Feb 22, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
8.3 Cameron Maybin, OF
.44 mm
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 21, 2010 11:18 PM EST reply actions
Hey, is there anyone there that I can email my queue to?
I have a life, and need to go do community service, build a car, and play tennis. I’ll be gone all day pretty much.
M's fan in the Bay, soon to be LA
Email me at my profile address
I’ll be around all day.
by Dan Turkenkopf on Feb 22, 2010 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
Sent
M's fan in the Bay, soon to be LA
by perfectstrat on Feb 22, 2010 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
Well
I’m outta here. See you all at 9 EST.
M's fan in the Bay, soon to be LA
by perfectstrat on Feb 22, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
8.04, Josh Beckett, SP, $12 M
order threw me off
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just in time
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by perfectstrat on Feb 22, 2010 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
I was shocked he fell this far.
He’s been on my short list for a couple rounds now, but I decided I needed to spend more money. He was at the top of my queue for my next pick.
Great pick.
http://www.capitolavenueclub.com/
by PWHjort on Feb 22, 2010 5:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Great pick at this point
My pick once Cargo went.
by Dan Turkenkopf on Feb 22, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
The slow draft really adds to the individual pick suspense.
Upon making my last pick, there were three players I wanted to fall to me one round later. Jose Reyes and Carlos Gonzalez are gone, so I am now two picks away from getting my guy. The suspense is killing me.
This is horribly addicting.
Question: should Cain's salary be $4.5M or $4.25M?
Cot’s lists base salary of $4.25, and there is no mention of his $1M signing bonus being prorated over the life of the contract (signed 2007).
How do incentives pay out?
Are 2009 incentives paid in 2009 or are they added to the 2010 salary?
Cain made an additional $250K in incentives last year based on games started and his All-Star appearance,
by Dan Turkenkopf on Feb 22, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
Incentives are paid out that year
Things that go into the next years salary are the elevator clauses, like Cliff Lee has.
by Zach Sanders on Feb 22, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
8.08 J.J. Hardy, SS
http://www.capitolavenueclub.com/
by PWHjort on Feb 22, 2010 5:40 PM EST via mobile reply actions
9.1 David Price, SP
$1M
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.
by Steve Slowinski on Feb 22, 2010 6:11 PM EST reply actions
I knew you were going to take him before I got a chance to
He was my pick this round. Nice work.
by Zach Sanders on Feb 22, 2010 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
Haha...I almost decided I could wait another round before getting him. Phew.
Great minds think alike.
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.
by Steve Slowinski on Feb 22, 2010 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
9.3 Randy Wells, SP
.44 m
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 22, 2010 6:45 PM EST reply actions
You know ...
I live in Chicago and go to a ton of games (and since I work in politics, a non-9-5er, I watch even more). I appreciate the fact that the numbers say he is likely a 2-3 win player this year, but my eyes say he’s a #4 at best. Maybe, I guess, those things aren’t mutually exclusive, and being a cost-controlled 4 is nothing to sneeze at. I just don’t see the upside (no way he approaches 4 WAR), and I’d want more at this point in the draft.
In sum, I’m not taunting you … I just respectively disagree.
Sounds right to me based on his major and minor league statistics and otherwise.
http://www.capitolavenueclub.com/
I am (currently) a Chicagoan myself.
I too have Wells at about 2.5 wins this season, and I see him as a #3 or #4. Mostly I was just expressing my surprise that Wells hasn’t gotten more national attention; he is coming off a rookie season in which he posted a 3.05 ERA for one of the higher profile teams. Usually a guy like Wells would be significantly overvalued in fantasy leagues at this point, but Wells really isn’t.
he's going to be 27 and had a meh K rate last year in 165 innings
I’m not sure anyone is going to clamor over that.
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by Daniel Berlyn on Feb 22, 2010 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
9.04, Nick Markakis, OF, $7.1 M
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I'm scared of what Tommy is going to be able to do with his roster and remaining $40mm
My “Beat the Beard” campaign may not go as well I as hoped.
by Zach Sanders on Feb 22, 2010 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
Now, in retrospect
I’m really bummed I didn’t pick Werth
by Tommy Bennett on Feb 22, 2010 9:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
not much to spend on anymore
you rich, rich fool.
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by Daniel Berlyn on Feb 22, 2010 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
I'm holding out for Alfonso Soriano
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 22, 2010 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
I wanted both of those guys, but figured they'd share too much playing time.
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 22, 2010 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
since he made league minimum all last year
the formula would call for a .44 M salary.
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by Daniel Berlyn on Feb 23, 2010 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
He is correct.
Fowler is at .44 this year.
by Zach Sanders on Feb 23, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
Are you sure he didn't mean 9 tomorrow morning?
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 22, 2010 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
No, not really.
If he’s not here by 10:30, I’ll make the pick
by Dan Turkenkopf on Feb 22, 2010 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
I'm here.
M's fan in the Bay, soon to be LA
by perfectstrat on Feb 22, 2010 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
don't you tease.
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by Daniel Berlyn on Feb 22, 2010 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
Yea, he's like Cain with more upside.
But you lose the consistency and gain some risk. Besides, Cain is REALLY good. Getting to see him pitch on a regular basis, I’ve really come to terms with the fact that he’s extremely undervalued, as he always produces year-in year-out.
M's fan in the Bay, soon to be LA
by perfectstrat on Feb 22, 2010 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think you'll be disappointed.
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by Daniel Berlyn on Feb 22, 2010 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
Ah
Fellow Giants fan, I applaud it.
M's fan in the Bay, soon to be LA
by perfectstrat on Feb 22, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting contrast of the last two picks
Blackburn’s K rate, as well as his BB rate, are both about half of Sanchez’s.
Different ways of getting the job done.
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 22, 2010 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
For our purposes Blackburn’s salary probably makes up for the difference, but going forward I’d rather have Sanchez. It’s more likely that he’ll find the strikezone than Blackburn will start striking people out.
FU, FO
Oh, definitely
Sanchez is both better now, and has more upside. Blackburn’s xFIPs have me worried that regression is more likely than improvement.
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 23, 2010 2:04 AM EST up reply actions
"regression" isn't the right word.
He’s had a pretty much league average FIP the last two years, so regressing would mean staying put. I think “decline” would be better.
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 23, 2010 2:09 AM EST up reply actions
They are exactly the same
I was going to do a piece on that for FanGraphs
by Zach Sanders on Feb 22, 2010 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
Ugh
…but David G. profiled him the day before, so that never happened.
by Zach Sanders on Feb 22, 2010 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
And I've just spent $20 million on Yankees in the past two rounds
by Dan Turkenkopf on Feb 23, 2010 8:20 AM EST up reply actions
It really is astounding just how quickly the $ adds up once you start drafting mid to high priced players.
At least I had it
I was surprised no one had taking Javy yet.
by Dan Turkenkopf on Feb 23, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
it's not form oversupply
Kiko Calero and Saul Rivera are the only other two, if I’m not mistaken.
FU, FO
Just realized that Kendrick is my first player at a "scarce" position.
All of my other selections have come from 1B, 3B, OF, SP.
10.1 Hunter Pence, OF
$3.5M
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.
by Steve Slowinski on Feb 23, 2010 10:18 AM EST reply actions
Pence was supposed to be there at 10.2....
….good thing you took him. He was next on my list.
by DempseysArmy on Feb 23, 2010 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
10.3 Joba Chamberlain, SP
.48 m
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 23, 2010 12:00 PM EST reply actions
10.04 Alcides Escobar, SS, $.4 M
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For those wanting to send me picks for a queue
I am gone from 1-4:30 EST everyday, so I cannot pick for you in those times. Otherwise, I’m usually around.
by Zach Sanders on Feb 23, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
Crap
I’d been waiting on him for a few rounds.
by Dan Turkenkopf on Feb 23, 2010 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
Now things are getting interesting
That’s one of the last few value guys I have on my board that I’m reasonably confident in.
I'm sure Jason Kendall will be available
by Dan Turkenkopf on Feb 23, 2010 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
Nope. I'm going to take him
My team could use a veteran presence.
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 23, 2010 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
11.1 Nick Johnson, 1B
$5.5M
Man, it’s getting thin around the edges now.
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.
by Steve Slowinski on Feb 23, 2010 9:26 PM EST reply actions
I had a theory going into the draft that 1B would be the shallowest position.
I think I was correct.
And I have yet to pick one up
That might be problematic.
by Dan Turkenkopf on Feb 23, 2010 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
Same here.
Guess what I plan on picking this round?
by Zach Sanders on Feb 23, 2010 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
Yeaa...
I had no idea the 1B market was this bad. Definitely didn’t read that right.
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.
by Steve Slowinski on Feb 23, 2010 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
I was thinking of taking him
I just don’t know enough about the Reds, and if he’ll get playing time.
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 23, 2010 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
Very nice
Wanted him badly, but have bigger needs right now.
by Zach Sanders on Feb 23, 2010 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
Hey, it's my first complement pick.
I really needed OF, figured his defense alone is a good bet for some good WAR.
by DempseysArmy on Feb 23, 2010 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
11.3 Charlie Morton, SP
.450m
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 23, 2010 9:44 PM EST reply actions
With him, Joba, and Jurrjens, I don't think I'll have to worry about going over the limits
I’m starting to worry I’ll be way below though. Maybe I should sign an innings eater. Has Livan been taken yet?
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 23, 2010 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
Scary.
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 23, 2010 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
11.04, Ryan Sweeney, OF, $.45 M
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Myself and Steve Slow feel your pain
He was our next pick off the board too
by Matt Slowinski on Feb 24, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
Damn you Zach
Although I knew you were going to do it.
by Dan Turkenkopf on Feb 24, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
Are you spying on my private Google Docs rankings somehow?
by Zach Sanders on Feb 24, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
You said you needed a 1B and he was the best left
I should know since I also need one.
by Dan Turkenkopf on Feb 24, 2010 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
Really?
He’s a high OBP/fielding guy with minimal power. Needless to say, Billy Beane’s dream player if you combined him with Jack Cust.
by Zach Sanders on Feb 24, 2010 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
Now I'm Curious
Who was the other? Scott Sizemore?
by Zach Sanders on Feb 24, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
I've got two
Drew Stubbs,
and, Charlie Morton, who I drafted.
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 25, 2010 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
Charlie Morton is never who I think he is.
Every time I hear his name, I think “Charlie Morton, knuckleballer”. But the player I’m thinking of is Charlie Haegar. For some reason I can never remember who Charlie Morton really is.
Charlie Zink is a knuckelballer somewhere in the Red Sox (I think) system, too.
http://www.capitolavenueclub.com/
Zink -> STL, Haegar -> LAD
Zink came up with the Red Sox, though.
by Zach Sanders on Feb 25, 2010 12:43 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, both knuckleballing Charlies came up with Sox.
Zink in Boston, Haeger in Chicago.
Charlie is just a great knuckleballing name.
he's been a top prospect for like... the greater part of the last decade.
You guys win. You can keep your little marked-out piece of internet territory. Spend your days communicating via keyboard with people too ugly for the real world and too nerdy for anyone to care, anyway. Your piece of land is here. Do the rest of civilization a favor and stay within its limits. You bore me. Have fun with your nightly sobs and screams into your pillow over your inability to attract a good mate, Radiohead. ~The Hooligan
by Daniel Berlyn on Feb 24, 2010 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
Ignorance on my part, for sure. I wasn't trashing the pick or anything.
I get little exposure to the AL West, being on the east coast and a fan of an NL team and all.
A point, though. You can hardly blame anyone for paying no attention to A’s position player prospects. They’ve been pretty horrible at developing hitters for awhile now.
http://www.capitolavenueclub.com/
I guess
I don’t think they’ve had a lot of high upside guys, and their players seem to get injured a lot.
You guys win. You can keep your little marked-out piece of internet territory. Spend your days communicating via keyboard with people too ugly for the real world and too nerdy for anyone to care, anyway. Your piece of land is here. Do the rest of civilization a favor and stay within its limits. You bore me. Have fun with your nightly sobs and screams into your pillow over your inability to attract a good mate, Radiohead. ~The Hooligan
by Daniel Berlyn on Feb 24, 2010 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
My thoughts, exactly.
http://www.capitolavenueclub.com/
by PWHjort on Feb 24, 2010 7:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Really thought he'd fall to me in the next couple of rounds
since everyone else needs innings still
12.1 Jason Hammel, SP
$1.9M
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.
by Steve Slowinski on Feb 24, 2010 8:26 PM EST reply actions
I actually was looking at Jason Hamel pretty hard...
…but Steve took care of that dilemma.
by DempseysArmy on Feb 24, 2010 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
Wait, I have Wandy @ $6M.
Shouldn’t that be his salary? We ignore contracts signed after our draft started.
Wandy should be at $6mm
Settled after draft was in motion.
by Zach Sanders on Feb 24, 2010 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
Dumb question
What’s the salary rule for unsigned free agents?
What about FA who signed since we've started?
by Dan Turkenkopf on Feb 24, 2010 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
Nope.
All contracts are fixed to time the draft started, so free agents who have been signed (Damon, Branyan, Gomes, etc) cannot be picked.
by Zach Sanders on Feb 24, 2010 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
That's what I thought, but I wanted to make sure
by Dan Turkenkopf on Feb 24, 2010 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
And my Livan Hernandez Fetish
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 24, 2010 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
This is a great pick
I think he should have gone two rounds ago, at least.
12.3 Justin Masterson, SP
.46 m
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 24, 2010 10:42 PM EST reply actions
12.04 Trevor Cahill, SP, $.44 M
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12.06 Phil Hughes P
$0.45 M (I think – don’t have spreadsheet in front of me, and I will correct)
by grantjg1 on Feb 24, 2010 11:57 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Buster Olney is reporting a 95% chance that Hughes wins the #5 starter job in NY.
That makes this pick a huge steal.
12.07 Alberto Callaspo 2B
$.46m
I know this pick is late for you guys, but not for me. WEST COAST ALL THE WAY.
M's fan in the Bay, soon to be LA
???
Is this who I think it is?
Some old Athletic who hasn’t played in two years and never posted a WAR above 0.5?
M's fan in the Bay, soon to be LA
by perfectstrat on Feb 25, 2010 2:19 AM EST up reply actions
He's been in Japan for two years.
He was always hurt during his MLB career. Before that happened he was a very good prospect. He should be healthy now.
http://www.capitolavenueclub.com/
Didn't know that.
This is very interesting. Could turn out to be a big surprise.
M's fan in the Bay, soon to be LA
by perfectstrat on Feb 25, 2010 2:34 AM EST up reply actions
I forgot about him.
He’s been a stud in Japan. Good pick.
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 25, 2010 3:13 AM EST up reply actions
375-to-46 strikeout-to-walk ratio the past two years in 354 and 1/3 innings.
http://www.capitolavenueclub.com/
bit early for waits references, no?
you just blew my mind, man
by chiefjamesp on Feb 25, 2010 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
He has
He probably wasn’t expecting to have so many picks go last night.
by Dan Turkenkopf on Feb 25, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
Shoot. Those were the two guys I was looking at to round out my rotation.
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 25, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
12.09 Ryan Rowland-Smith, SP
$.462 mm
Drawback of being on West Coast and not waking up until 11:30 EST means missing the morning. Oh well, still got the guy I wanted.
Note: I opened up the salary spreadsheets for everyone to change.
I was worried about someone messing with it until it was done. I have now (I know I am fast) downloaded a copy if someone does mess with it and will load it back if needed.
- .-. ..- … – / – …. . / .—. .-. - .. . … …
by Jeff Zimmerman on Feb 25, 2010 11:53 AM EST reply actions
13.1 Andrew Bailey, RP
$.44M
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.
by Steve Slowinski on Feb 25, 2010 12:34 PM EST reply actions
OK
$.4 mil
Just going with the spreadsheet this time.
by DempseysArmy on Feb 25, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
13.3 Russel Martin, Util
5.05 m
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 25, 2010 1:09 PM EST reply actions
Are we really going to use this thread for 12 more rounds?
My computer isn’t exactly state of the art, and it’s all ready taking quite a while to load.
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 25, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
Whoa, yeah, I have no idea why it said 6-25
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 25, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
*I thought is said
Apparently I’m as good at typing as I am at reading.
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 25, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, we'll use this through Round 15
Should keep most problems from popping up.
by Zach Sanders on Feb 25, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, jumping in one minute after timeout
I like it.
by Zach Sanders on Feb 25, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
Let's keep this thing moving!
Now all I need is for the next five picks to be made in the next 90 minutes so that I can pick before I have to leave.
I respectfully disagree!
Actually, I would have taken Brendan Ryan, but I had to make the pick by phone and thought he was already gone.
I need a volunteer to make a pick or two for me.
I will be offline for 24+ hours through Friday night. It will hopefully be one pick, but looks like it could be two. Let me know and I’ll send a queue.
FAIL.
I sent an email to Dempsey and Tommy because they both pick early in the draft order and had email addresses in their profiles. Thanks for the help!
Maybe you just sent it to Dempsey
But I didn’t see anything in my inbox…
by Tommy Bennett on Feb 25, 2010 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
Likewise.
I’ll check my gmail account just in case.
I've got nothing against the bunt...in its place. But most of the time that place is the bottom of a long-forgotten closet. - Earl Weaver
http://dempseysarmy.blogspot.com
by DempseysArmy on Feb 25, 2010 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
Shoot...
If you guys can’t find it, let us know. I won’t skip RedRobot8 until we find out if someone has his list.
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.
by Steve Slowinski on Feb 25, 2010 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
All right, let's keep this thing going.
perfectstrat timed out over an hour ago.
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 25, 2010 6:50 PM EST reply actions
13.04 Brendan Ryan, SS, $.443 M
You guys win. You can keep your little marked-out piece of internet territory. Spend your days communicating via keyboard with people too ugly for the real world and too nerdy for anyone to care, anyway. Your piece of land is here. Do the rest of civilization a favor and stay within its limits. You bore me. Have fun with your nightly sobs and screams into your pillow over your inability to attract a good mate, Radiohead. ~The Hooligan
And now PWHjort has timed out too....
…Zach’s up.
I've got nothing against the bunt...in its place. But most of the time that place is the bottom of a long-forgotten closet. - Earl Weaver
http://dempseysarmy.blogspot.com
Worth drafting for the name alone.
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.
by Steve Slowinski on Feb 25, 2010 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
Sadly, his name and his price are pretty much the only things I like about him.
http://www.capitolavenueclub.com/
Do we have a list for RedRobot?
I know he’s not around until tonight, but I don’t want to skip him until I know for sure that we don’t have anything for him.
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.
by Steve Slowinski on Feb 26, 2010 8:05 AM EST reply actions
There was nothing from RedRobot in either of my accounts.
I've got nothing against the bunt...in its place. But most of the time that place is the bottom of a long-forgotten closet. - Earl Weaver
http://dempseysarmy.blogspot.com
by DempseysArmy on Feb 26, 2010 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
Okay, then I'll be going shortly
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.
by Steve Slowinski on Feb 26, 2010 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
True
I just figured if he definitely wasn’t around and we didn’t have a list, why wait? But I can…I don’t care either way.
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.
by Steve Slowinski on Feb 26, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
14.1 Homer Bailey, SP
$.441M
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.
by Steve Slowinski on Feb 26, 2010 11:30 AM EST reply actions
14.2 Brad Bergesen, SP
$.44 M
I've got nothing against the bunt...in its place. But most of the time that place is the bottom of a long-forgotten closet. - Earl Weaver
http://dempseysarmy.blogspot.com
Guy #3 I've never heard of.
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 26, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
I glad I could pick 2 out of 3....
….that you didn’t know. :-)
I've got nothing against the bunt...in its place. But most of the time that place is the bottom of a long-forgotten closet. - Earl Weaver
http://dempseysarmy.blogspot.com
by DempseysArmy on Feb 26, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Great Pick
I had him ranked real high on my board, but I thought he’d last another couple of rounds.
by Zach Sanders on Feb 26, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
He almost did...
…..but SP was getting really thin. Decided to pull the trigger early.
I've got nothing against the bunt...in its place. But most of the time that place is the bottom of a long-forgotten closet. - Earl Weaver
http://dempseysarmy.blogspot.com
by DempseysArmy on Feb 26, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
You're not worried he'll film another commercial?
by Tommy Bennett on Feb 26, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
I was hoping he'd last another round or two because of this.
His own team is out to get him.
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.
by Steve Slowinski on Feb 26, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
No danger of that at this point...
…but his injury does worry me a bit. A control guy who may not be able to repeat his delivery.
I've got nothing against the bunt...in its place. But most of the time that place is the bottom of a long-forgotten closet. - Earl Weaver
http://dempseysarmy.blogspot.com
by DempseysArmy on Feb 26, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
14.3 Jimmy Rollins ss
7.5 m
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 26, 2010 12:58 PM EST reply actions
We need to get this thing moving...
….I leave for Spring Training in 6 days…
I've got nothing against the bunt...in its place. But most of the time that place is the bottom of a long-forgotten closet. - Earl Weaver
http://dempseysarmy.blogspot.com
Daniel's timed out...
….Tommy’s up.
I've got nothing against the bunt...in its place. But most of the time that place is the bottom of a long-forgotten closet. - Earl Weaver
http://dempseysarmy.blogspot.com
I went back and forth between him and Rollins
at this point, I figured production is more important than salary.
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 26, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
Well, yes
… unless you’re down to your last $10M!
Yep
I was talking about me, and my 35 million specifically. There are definitely some differences right now in strategy. I’m saving up so that I can sign Vernon Wells at the end.
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 26, 2010 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
Speaking of
Do we necessarily have to fill all 25 spots?
Say I had only $33 million left and 12 spots to fill. Could I take ARod and get nothing for the last 11 spots?
by Dan Turkenkopf on Feb 26, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
Don't think there is an actual rule
But the spirit of the game says you have to fill all 25, so let’s go with that.
by Zach Sanders on Feb 26, 2010 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
Sounds good to me..
It was just an idea that popped into my head while I was reading.
by Dan Turkenkopf on Feb 26, 2010 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
I hate you.
M's fan in the Bay, soon to be LA
by perfectstrat on Feb 26, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
Leaving before PWHjort's time is up
Anyone willing to make a pick for me? If so, let me know so I can send you my two person queue.
sure
stevenellingson at hotmail
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 26, 2010 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
Felipe's about to sign with STL, apparently
Glad, in retrospect, that I missed out on B Ryan
I don’t really understand, but you can’t draft Felipe Lopez, for the record.
http://www.capitolavenueclub.com/
FLop will take time away from Brendan Ryan at SS
And Ryan will go back to being a bench player. Or a utility player. The whole point is he’ll be a lot less valuable.
M's fan in the Bay, soon to be LA
by perfectstrat on Feb 26, 2010 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
I really doubt that.
Ryan is an elite defensive shortstop. Lopez is not. I expect him and Shumaker to shift around a lot, and for Lopez to be a utility/platoon player.
You guys win. You can keep your little marked-out piece of internet territory. Spend your days communicating via keyboard with people too ugly for the real world and too nerdy for anyone to care, anyway. Your piece of land is here. Do the rest of civilization a favor and stay within its limits. You bore me. Have fun with your nightly sobs and screams into your pillow over your inability to attract a good mate, Radiohead. ~The Hooligan
by Daniel Berlyn on Feb 26, 2010 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
14.04, Marc Rzepczynski, SP, $.4 M
You guys win. You can keep your little marked-out piece of internet territory. Spend your days communicating via keyboard with people too ugly for the real world and too nerdy for anyone to care, anyway. Your piece of land is here. Do the rest of civilization a favor and stay within its limits. You bore me. Have fun with your nightly sobs and screams into your pillow over your inability to attract a good mate, Radiohead. ~The Hooligan
14.9 Luis Valbuena, 2B/SS, $.44mm
(for Zach)
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 26, 2010 8:02 PM EST reply actions
Wow ... I'm embarrassed to say this
but, who?
Ha, I've actually heard of him.
But my knowledge base is incredibly skewed towards AL Central players. He was traded to the Indians from the Mariners, and looks like he’ll be a pretty decent player.
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 26, 2010 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
Some info on Valbuena for you n00bs
Went to CLE as part of the 3-way deal that sent Putz to NYM and Gutz to SEA. Was a fairly good prospect in Seattle, so that’s how I know him. Will be the everyday second baseman, and should put up decent numbers. I have him at ~1.5 WAR for 2010 (CHONE and FANS have him at 1.5, as well).
by Zach Sanders on Feb 27, 2010 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not sure whether I like my own pick or not
by Dan Turkenkopf on Feb 26, 2010 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
he was on my list
should be a good pitcher.
You guys win. You can keep your little marked-out piece of internet territory. Spend your days communicating via keyboard with people too ugly for the real world and too nerdy for anyone to care, anyway. Your piece of land is here. Do the rest of civilization a favor and stay within its limits. You bore me. Have fun with your nightly sobs and screams into your pillow over your inability to attract a good mate, Radiohead. ~The Hooligan
by Daniel Berlyn on Feb 26, 2010 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
Hey, can we make trades?
I would really like to. If we could do it, and trade draft picks too (assuming we all end up with a 25-man team), that would be awesome.
M's fan in the Bay, soon to be LA
awwww
:(
M's fan in the Bay, soon to be LA
by perfectstrat on Feb 27, 2010 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
By my math, RedRobot has timed out at 11AM...
….and Steve Slowinski will time out at 1PM EST. Unless someone corrects me, I will be making my pick at 1PM.
I've got nothing against the bunt...in its place. But most of the time that place is the bottom of a long-forgotten closet. - Earl Weaver
http://dempseysarmy.blogspot.com
15.01 J.P. Howell, RP
1.8M
(picking for Steve Slowinski)
by Matt Slowinski on Feb 27, 2010 12:42 PM EST reply actions
15.02 Scott Rolen, 3B
$6.0 mil
I've got nothing against the bunt...in its place. But most of the time that place is the bottom of a long-forgotten closet. - Earl Weaver
http://dempseysarmy.blogspot.com
Saw him crank 2 at Wrigley last year
(Cubs do a minor league game there every year)
Dude is strong. Ryan Zimmerman strong.
My apologies for the confusion.
I returned today to find the email that I thought I sent still sitting my my Gmail outbox. Completely my fault.
Oddly enough, the delay didn’t hurt me. Brendan Ryan and Seth Smith were the top two on my list, but they both went before my pick came. I don’t know whether to be relieved that I still got my guys or concerned that no one wanted my players.
15.03 Kelly Johnson 2b
2.35 m
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 27, 2010 3:54 PM EST reply actions
Daniel Berlyn has timed out.
Steven Ellingson timed out at 3:19 EST, and so that’s when Daniel’s clock started. Though Steven made his pick, Daniel was on the clock, and has now timed out. Tommy, you’re up.
M's fan in the Bay, soon to be LA
15.04 Matt Thornton, RP, $2.25 M
You guys win. You can keep your little marked-out piece of internet territory. Spend your days communicating via keyboard with people too ugly for the real world and too nerdy for anyone to care, anyway. Your piece of land is here. Do the rest of civilization a favor and stay within its limits. You bore me. Have fun with your nightly sobs and screams into your pillow over your inability to attract a good mate, Radiohead. ~The Hooligan
I think Dan Turk can go if he wanted
Zach and oldjacket said to skip them if their turns came up.
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.
by Steve Slowinski on Feb 27, 2010 9:04 PM EST reply actions
Cool stuff.
Also, ignore what I said above. oldjacket just said he’d be gone for today, so we should obviously give him his full time to pick tomorrow am.
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.
by Steve Slowinski on Feb 28, 2010 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
15.08 Clint Barmes, 2B
$3.23 M
I think I’m the last without a 2B, but the pickings are real slim. Really wish Kelly Johnson had fallen to 15.08….
http://www.capitolavenueclub.com/
damn
nice pick
You guys win. You can keep your little marked-out piece of internet territory. Spend your days communicating via keyboard with people too ugly for the real world and too nerdy for anyone to care, anyway. Your piece of land is here. Do the rest of civilization a favor and stay within its limits. You bore me. Have fun with your nightly sobs and screams into your pillow over your inability to attract a good mate, Radiohead. ~The Hooligan
by Daniel Berlyn on Feb 28, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
New Thread
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2010/2/28/1329818/boab-zack-greinke-draft-rounds-16
If you need to make up a Round 15 pick, do so in the new thread please.
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