BoaB Zack Greinke Division - Draft Rounds 1-5
by Zach Sanders on Feb 17, 2010 12:45 AM EST
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Let's get this thing started, shall we? While our draft does not officially begin until Thursday at 9am EST, some picks may be made before hand (time limit does not apply). Some reminders on rules:
- $60MM budget using actual MLB salaries
- 25-man roster, no subs, no transactions
- The only scoring category is WAR, as determined by Fangraphs.
- Draft runs 9am - 9pm EST, 2 hours per pick. Once time has elapsed, others may pick at will behind them and the owner who missed their pick can slide in at any time and make it up.
Now, some simple guidelines for this thread:
- Picks are to be made in the subject line. Here is an example pick...Subject: 1.01 Ichiro Suzuki, OF Message: $17mm. Pretty simple, right?
- Once a pick is made, enter it into our draft board on GoogleDocs. Also enter it into your team page for easy reference.
- Play nice. If you want to taunt someone for their pick, don't start a new comment thread just reply to their pick.
Now, here is the draft order and links to the key spreadsheets for the league. Since this post will handle draft rounds 1-5, standard snake is in play at this point. Happy drafting, everyone!
1.RedRobot8
2.Dan Turkenkopf
3.oldjacket
4. Zach Sanders
5. PWHjort
6. perfectstrat
7. Grantjg1
8. Tommy Bennett
9. Daniel Berlyn
10. Steven Ellingson
11. DempseysArmy
12. Steve Slowinski
Team by Team Salary/Position Sheet
EDIT: To make it clear to everyone...once the draft has started, you can make picks outside of the 9-9 draft time, but they will not be subject to the 2 hour time limit. In fact, I would encourage you to make your pick outside of the 9-9 period if at all possible when it's your turn to get this done ASAP.
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by Jeff Zimmerman on Feb 17, 2010 9:16 AM EST up reply actions
Behold!
I’m now in the league. Where do I step in?
Love the enthusiasm, Tom...
But you’re in the next league that’s starting, uh, soon. Consider this draft your cheat sheet.
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by Sky Kalkman on Feb 17, 2010 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
Right now I'm picturing Habe as a little leaguer who showed up late and ran onto the wrong field
And Sky as a Manager, running out onto the field, putting his hand on Habe’s shoulder, and pointing at the field where his teammates are playing catch.
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 17, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
Wow. Spending money right off the bat.
by Zach Sanders on Feb 17, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but he's not too expensive for what he provides
It’s less than $1M per projected WAR
by Dan Turkenkopf on Feb 17, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, I agree
And at a scarce position, no doubt he’s a good pick.
by Zach Sanders on Feb 17, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
Does position scarcity matter in this format?
Or do the positional adjustments inherent to WAR mostly level the playing field?
Whenever I get around to making an actual draft board for this league, I’ll be able to answer those questions.
Position Scarcity matters
Not as much because of the adjustments, but there are still positions that are worse off than others. Of course, I say this without any firm research, just an observation.
by Zach Sanders on Feb 17, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I think it matters.
But instead of skill (WAR/HRx/SBs/etc) being the scarce resource, it’s some kind of “net value” number that’s potentially scarce. If one position has 15 guys who are decent deals, but another has 5 guys who are decent deals, it might be worth taking someone from the latter group before someone from the first group even if you’re settling for less WAR at a higher price.
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by Sky Kalkman on Feb 17, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
On a tangent, has anybody compiled the 30 salary/positions workbooks onto one page?
If you’re willing to share, I’d appreciate it.
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I wish you would have taken him
So I could have gotten Longoria
by Dan Turkenkopf on Feb 17, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
I'd rather have Longo
Less cash, same production (if not better). Longo was the clear #1 on my board.
by Zach Sanders on Feb 17, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
Troy Tulowitski, $3.5 mil
One of the players I hate the most, but that’s exactly why he’s a good pick.
FU, FO
I went back and forth between him and Hanley
by Dan Turkenkopf on Feb 17, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
EDIT:
Because Tim Lincecum is sure to be picked, there is a change in salary. As you guys know, he settled for a 2 year contract ($23M). His first year salary is $9M, NOT the 10 million that Jeff edited. Just thought it was important. Per Susan Slusser
didn't he have a 2010 signing bonus of 1 million.
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by Jeff Zimmerman on Feb 17, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
Also, hurry up PWHjort, I wanna pick.
If he’s not here, he isn’t subject to the 2-hr time limit until 9 AM EST tomorrow, right?
It was really a coinflip.
The only thing that prevented me from picking him outright is the inherent injury risk associated with pitchers.
by perfectstrat on Feb 17, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
So I know we aren't supposed to make random comments on this thread, but I can't find the info I'm looking for
So we’re supposed to have 25 players, correct? Does it matter how many pitchers we have? How many of them are starters?
Does the bench get credit for their full WAR? Or is it discounted?
Thanks
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 17, 2010 5:45 PM EST reply actions
6 SP, 6 RP
No bench. Everyone’s WAR counts equally.
by Zach Sanders on Feb 17, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
Great. Thanks.
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 17, 2010 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, and a stupid link.
Read the article, not the comments.
by perfectstrat on Feb 17, 2010 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
I was contemplating it.
But I passed. I think he’ll regress too much; there’s no way 8.6 WAR is his true talent level. But its still a very good value pick, given his salary and projected WAR.
by perfectstrat on Feb 17, 2010 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
Figured he wouldn't fall much further. Too much of a risk for me to take at 4.
And, it’s 1.07, BTW. =)
by Zach Sanders on Feb 17, 2010 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
Can't count, obviously
Yeah — with the position premium and a diverse skill set, I figured it was safe. Wouldn’t have taken him any higher.
So while we are awaiting Tommy's eventual pick of Vernon Wells
I had an idea.
It would be fun to do a bizarro version of this. You have to spend at least 250 million dollars or so, and whoever gets the least WAR wins. I just know that after the draft, Carlos Lee will be at home crying, because he didn’t get picked. Alphonso Soriano might give up baseball entirely. I know we’ve all wanted to be able to pick Barry Zito in the first round of a fantasy league, and this would be our opportunity to do it.
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 17, 2010 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
Of course
He’d be especially valuable if we made it a keeper league.
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 17, 2010 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
I call Robert Swift
I don’t care if he doesn’t play baseball (or basketball anymore, for that matter), I’m drafting him and there is nothing you can do about it.
by Zach Sanders on Feb 17, 2010 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
Who should we go to if we want to set up a queque?
I will be unable to use a computer for 9+ hours a day the whole way.
Talk to someone in the league and see if they can help you out with that
I should be a last resort since I’m gone for a stretch during the middle of the day and may miss a pick or two myself.
by Zach Sanders on Feb 17, 2010 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
I can take it.
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by Jeff Zimmerman on Feb 17, 2010 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
Looks like Tommy's gonna have to pick in the morning...
Shame we couldn’t have this preliminary draft day all the way through the 1st round. I have to miss tomorrow until 6 PM EST, but my second pick shouldn’t come around until then anyway.
It all depends
if everyone is around, it could be way sooner than that.
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 17, 2010 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
Do we have to decide when we pick?
Or can we wait with guys who are eligible in more than one position?
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 18, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, Dempsey'sArmy can step in and pick any time
Steven will be able to make up his pick at any point, as well.
by Zach Sanders on Feb 18, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
Something to make clear...
Steven just made his pick, 2:45 after his time slot started at 9am EST. Dempsey’s Army could have gone 45 minutes ago, but hasn’t picked yet. His time slot started at 11am EST, right, so that the next person could draft at 1pm EST?
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by Sky Kalkman on Feb 18, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
1.10 Yunel Escobar
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 18, 2010 11:48 AM EST reply actions
SS
470k
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 18, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
phew!
I was worried I’d get skippe over.
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 18, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
Made it
Dempsey’s Army is on the clock until 1 pm EST, then Steve can step in and make his snake picks.
by Zach Sanders on Feb 18, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
Okay, so I can go at 1?
Just for the record, how much time do I get on snake picks? I don’t anticipate taking 4 hours but I just want to make sure that’s clarified going forward.
"I never threw an illegal pitch. The trouble is, once in a while I toss one that ain't never been seen by this generation." - Satchel Paige
by Steve Slowinski on Feb 18, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
Technically you get 4 hours
Like to think you could take both at the same time in the 2-hr interval.
by Zach Sanders on Feb 18, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sure I will most every time...that's going to be my goal.
But just in case I get crunched unexpectedly in the future, that’s good to know.
"I never threw an illegal pitch. The trouble is, once in a while I toss one that ain't never been seen by this generation." - Satchel Paige
by Steve Slowinski on Feb 18, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
forget that
I was the last pick last year, I lost a lot of guys because I only had one interval for my two picks.
by Daniel Berlyn on Feb 18, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
Correction: 468k
I had my excel Sheet rounding too early. I really doubt the 2 grand will make much of a difference, but you never know.
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 18, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
Excellent choice
When do we get to taunt people?
Yeah it would be nice if someone would do something stupid
I could use a good laugh.
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 18, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
I was ready to laugh when Dempsey skipped you.
Alas…
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by Sky Kalkman on Feb 18, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
Ha, you should have seen me run through the hallways to the computer lab after class.
That would have been worthy of a chuckle.
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 18, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
Updated the spreadsheet for you this time
hint-hint
by Zach Sanders on Feb 18, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
Hey. I'm still out of breath.
But just to be safe, I’ll go ahead and put Vernon Wells in there now, so I don’t forget next time.
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 18, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks
I appreciate your mercy.
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 18, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
Sure...
….just don’t count on it next time!
by DempseysArmy on Feb 18, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
For 1st Round...
…It seemed sporting to give him a bit of time. Didn’t intend to give him the hour+ but, hey….
Of course, the vultures were lining up for my 1:00 so….guess I’d better go back to being cutthroat.
by DempseysArmy on Feb 18, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
No hard feelings, I hope
THIS IS WAR
Oh ouch, I didn’t actually mean to make that bad pun.
"I never threw an illegal pitch. The trouble is, once in a while I toss one that ain't never been seen by this generation." - Satchel Paige
by Steve Slowinski on Feb 18, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
1.12 Matt Wieters, C
$440K
Still working on 2.1
"I never threw an illegal pitch. The trouble is, once in a while I toss one that ain't never been seen by this generation." - Satchel Paige
by Steve Slowinski on Feb 18, 2010 12:36 PM EST reply actions
Interesting
Anyone know if Fangraphs might add catcher defense to WAR this year?
That was going to be my 2.2...
….nice pick. Think he’ll be very good this season.
by DempseysArmy on Feb 18, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
2.1 Gordon Beckham, SS
$440K
"I never threw an illegal pitch. The trouble is, once in a while I toss one that ain't never been seen by this generation." - Satchel Paige
by Steve Slowinski on Feb 18, 2010 12:54 PM EST reply actions
Steve is banking some cash.
I am surprised someone hasn’t gone though
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by Jeff Zimmerman on Feb 18, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
Damn it. I was hoping to nab him.
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 18, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
It was down between him and a couple others
But man, there are no good SSs left out there. I had to do it.
"I never threw an illegal pitch. The trouble is, once in a while I toss one that ain't never been seen by this generation." - Satchel Paige
by Steve Slowinski on Feb 18, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
Absolutely
Shortstop is looking like a pretty shallow position
by Matt Slowinski on Feb 18, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
Mark Reynolds, 1b/3b
460K
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 18, 2010 1:21 PM EST reply actions
2.3
whoops
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 18, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
So, no I have anywhere from about 2 hours to 36 hours before I pick again
I just hope it’s not between 3 and 9.
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 18, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
Ok thanks.
I’ll see what happens, but if it comes to that, and I have to reveal my spectacular queue to you, then so be it.
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 18, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
.4 M
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by Daniel Berlyn on Feb 18, 2010 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
everyone's being very price conscious
the non long-term contracted pre-arb guys are dropping like flies.
by Daniel Berlyn on Feb 18, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
Wow...
Outside of the fact that ours is 10 people and the fact that Longoria went first…the one I’m currently involved in is really different.
Are you talking about the other BoaB league?
I looked for a thread for it, but didn’t find anything… where is it?
Thanks
Was wondering how that one would be received.
I would've taken him with my next pick.
Damn, first Justin Upton right in front and then Kershaw. Guess my dice just aren’t falling right.
by perfectstrat on Feb 18, 2010 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
You know what would be awesome?
If we could trade picks. It’ll never happen, but just the thought of it is cool.
2.08 Jon Lester, SP
$3.75 Million.
Three months younger than Greinke. Higher strikeout rate than Greinke last season. Left Handed. Half the price.
http://www.capitolavenueclub.com/
Nice pick.
I would’ve taken him, but didn’t want to blow away the competition with 2 6+ WAR pitchers.
by perfectstrat on Feb 18, 2010 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
Same production, 8x the price.
Unless you think Kemp will surpass 6 WAR, I don’t like this pick here, not for $4 Million.
by perfectstrat on Feb 18, 2010 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
I was planning on picking Shoo, but Kemp was my backup plan.
by Zach Sanders on Feb 18, 2010 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
But instead of paying $4 Million for Kemp's 5-6 WAR,
Why not throw in the extra $880,000 for Gonzalez or go with Guti for half the price? I just don’t see how this is the best bang for your buck. Kemp’s a good player, for sure, but IMO there were better options available.
by perfectstrat on Feb 18, 2010 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
So then...
What would you say if Kemp went as the last pick in the first round while guys like Choo and Guiterrez went as the last and 2nd to last pick of the 2nd round?
Clearly, people were valuing WAR more than $$$
by perfectstrat on Feb 18, 2010 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
Which is a good strategy.
If I’m reading the game theory right and going by other people’s picks thus far.
http://www.capitolavenueclub.com/
Well, you want to value WAR more than dollars,
but you shouldn’t pick, at least in the early rounds, without respect to the costs of your picks. You clearly want to get bargain guys who will provide 5+ WAR while staying under a reasonable amount. There have only been 3 players taken with salaries of $4 Million+ (Hanley, Kinsler, and now Kemp), so judging by others picks I’d say they are going for the steals rather than the high-WAR, mid-salary guys. Both are viable options, its just that one gives you more WAR in the early rounds and the other gives financial flexibility.
by perfectstrat on Feb 18, 2010 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, but at the end of the day, you have $60 million to spend.
And I think spending $4 million or so on a guy with tools like Kemp right here is perfectly appropriate.
http://www.capitolavenueclub.com/
Choo is a good example...
…but not Guiterrez. So much of his value is in UZR which can swing wildly from seaosn to season.
by DempseysArmy on Feb 18, 2010 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
I'd rather not discuss players that aren't picked
takes away from the shock value.
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by Daniel Berlyn on Feb 18, 2010 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not sure WAR/$$ is the best way to look at it.
300 players will be drafted and $720M spent. That’s $2.4M per player. Let’s say we average 3 WAR per player drafted (no idea, just guessing). That means we’ll be spending, on average, $.8M per WAR.
If you buy 3 WAR for $1M, you’ve saved $1.4M to buy that many WAR (it costs $2.4 to buy 3 WAR at the average rates).
If you instead buy a 6 WAR player for $3M, you’ve saved $1.8M (it costs $4.8M to buy 6 WAR at the average rates).
The first player costs less per WAR than the second, but the second is actually a better pick, because you save more money compared to what you’d expect to spend for the WAR he provides.
Another way to look at it is “how many WAR can I expect to buy with my remaining funds, added to the WAR I expect from the guy I pick?” If you go with the first, cheaper player, you’ve saved $2M but have to make up 3 WAR. That’s $.67M per WAR, or a rate better than the average pick. You’ve saved money, but not enough to buy the WAR you need to catch up down the road.
Again, most of the numbers are hypotheticals.
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by Sky Kalkman on Feb 18, 2010 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
I have a feeling oldjacket might run out of time, given that he's been gone all day.
Unless your there, lurking in the shadows, waiting to devour us.
oldjacket has timed out
Dan is on the clock. Since there is only one hour left in today’s draft, he has one hour today and one hour tomorrow morning.
Technical Question:
oldjacket can jump in at any time to make his pick, right?
by perfectstrat on Feb 18, 2010 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
Rule Question: SP v. RP
How do we determine if a pitcher is eligible at SP or RP? I know that most are obvious, but others are less so, and those guys tend to be young (i.e., cheap). Is it based on a certain number of games started/relieved from last season?
Probably case by case basis
But my general thinking is ~65% of appearances as a starter, but that is just a number that comes to mind.
by Zach Sanders on Feb 18, 2010 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think it really matters
if you put a starter in your relievers, you’ll screw yourself over, because he’ll throw too many innings. I don’t think they put any restrictions on who was a starter or reliever last year.
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 18, 2010 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
Case by case basis?
That makes it difficult to know what you’re drafting without violating the table talk rules. It is also hard to come up with a decent SP v. RP valuation construct without knowing who goes in which column.
Is the case-by-case basis taking into account probable 2010 role, or is it pure 2009 usage?
And that's the last pick you're getting from me tonight, so only RedRobot and oldjacket are up
by Dan Turkenkopf on Feb 18, 2010 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
RedRobot on the clock until 12:45pm EST tomorrow due to his snake picks.
by Zach Sanders on Feb 18, 2010 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
I had a feeling he wasn't falling to me.
by perfectstrat on Feb 18, 2010 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, he's been on my short list for a while now.
Watching 22 players go off the board between picks sure was painful, though. I knew there was no chance I’d get Zorilla, but it still hurt to watch him go.
2.10 Grady Sizemore, OF
5.767 M
sorry about the delay. Work of the sudden and urgent variety.
FU, FO
I was gonna pick Kemp. I’m almost glad I couldn’t. Having a Rocky and a Dodger be the heart of my team would be nigh unbearable.
FU, FO
1 round early for me
But I agree, he’s set to have a nice year.
Salary Update:
Eric Aybar will make $2.05 Million this coming year, after settling with the Angels before his arbitration hearing. Link
No, it was not.
Contracts settled/signed/etc. after the draft began do not count.
by Zach Sanders on Feb 18, 2010 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
have to go with a 10% increase in salary
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by Daniel Berlyn on Feb 18, 2010 9:53 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry, I was just working off of the Team-by-Team Salary Sheet.
Should Hanson be $440k? I’ll take him either way.
I think he's at 400k
He didn’t have a ML contract last year, so he makes the min. this year.
by Zach Sanders on Feb 18, 2010 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
in this case, a few salaries will have to be adjusted
nothing major, but I think that’s how we did it last year, I’m waiting for input.
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by Daniel Berlyn on Feb 18, 2010 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
How did he not have a ML contract last year, when he pitched in the majors?
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by Sky Kalkman on Feb 18, 2010 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
Something about his contract being purchased by the big league club after the year began
I believe. No expert, but Cots has no salary for 2009.
by Zach Sanders on Feb 18, 2010 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, Zach is right.
It was technically a split contract, since the club paid him a minor-league salary for the first two months of the season.
http://www.capitolavenueclub.com/
His contract isn't known, but since he played in the majors significantly last year it will be more than .4 M
To account for this we went with a 10% salary increase for players whose contracts aren’t publicly available at the time of the draft. Some, myself included, have picked players that were rookies last year and so we need to come to an agreement.
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by Daniel Berlyn on Feb 18, 2010 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
If they had no salary last year (according to Cots) they get 400k this year
Teams will never pay more than the minimum the first time they have to pay.
by Zach Sanders on Feb 18, 2010 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
then I suggest to those that have last year's rookies at 440 K to change it to 400 K
but I’m pretty sure the Braves will have to pay Hanson more than 400 K, for example. I’ll be changing McCutchen’s salary to 400 K.
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by Daniel Berlyn on Feb 18, 2010 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
Nah. Braves will only pay 400k
Some rookies were on the roster all year, so it’s different for them. But, yes, those without a salary listed for last year will make 400k this year.
by Zach Sanders on Feb 18, 2010 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
It depends on how much the Braves want to pay him, really.
I’ll let Paul DeDodesta explain.
http://itmightbedangerous.blogspot.com/2009/03/pre-arbitration-players.html
Given the arbitrary nature of contract renewal, at least for those without listed contracts, minimum seems fair.
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by Daniel Berlyn on Feb 18, 2010 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
Nice value pick.
Looks like he’ll have a big emergence onto the scene this year.
by perfectstrat on Feb 18, 2010 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
Took me so long because I'm really not convinced that was the right way to go.
Hanson is cheap and has great upside, but he carries a lot of risk for an early draft pick.
LOVE Brett Anderson.
Couldn’t convince myself to take him over Tommy Hanson, but I thought about it.
LOVE Brett Anderson.
Couldn’t convince myself to take him over Tommy Hanson, but I thought about it.
Taking the name of the division
How dare you.
by perfectstrat on Feb 19, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
I'm getting hit hard this round.
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Damn, some names going I was targeting.
For the record, I remember last year we stopped the pick clock over the weekend. Is that the same or are we pushing on through?
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by Steve Slowinski on Feb 19, 2010 1:07 PM EST reply actions
if everyone can be around, I ’d rather we push it through. Last year, it took a month for us to draft.
FU, FO
Yeah, I know, it took forever
I just know that it’s tough for some people to be checking constantly on the weekends. If people are for it, it’s okay with me.
Also, if I’m not available when my pick comes up (I won’t be around much this weekend), user mslowins can draft for me. He has my lists.
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by Steve Slowinski on Feb 19, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
I'm on board with pushing through
With mobile phones, etc., there’s no reason to be out of touch for too long
unless your mobile phone sucks, like mine.
Seriously, it doesn’t even have a camera. It gets no internet. Its pathetic in this day and age.
by perfectstrat on Feb 19, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
I would also like to push through
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 19, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
The plan is to draft through the weekend
We’ll see how it comes these next two days, and then make a ruling for next week. My guess is we may have to lengthen draft time to 3-4hrs on the weekend to make it easier, but let’s run a regular schedule this weekend just to try it out.
by Zach Sanders on Feb 19, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
3.09 Franklin Gutierrez, OF, $2 M
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I am a non-believer
But if he can hit at all, this is a win.
If he maintains even a 15 UZR
this is a good move.
by perfectstrat on Feb 19, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
3.10 Ian Stewart 2b/3b
400k
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 19, 2010 1:40 PM EST reply actions
What's going on?
Has noone commented in the last few hours or is my computer screwed up?
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 19, 2010 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
phew..
There has been a few times my computer and SB nation have not worked well together, and new comments wouldn’t show up.
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 19, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
You have another one now
Just a reminder
by Zach Sanders on Feb 19, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I know.
Where the hell was everybody this morning? :-)
by DempseysArmy on Feb 19, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
4.3 Jair Jurrjens SP
.50 mil
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 19, 2010 5:25 PM EST reply actions
Even with the possible shoulder problems?
by Zach Sanders on Feb 19, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
He would have been the #1 pitcher on my list without the shoulder problems
I have a feeling I’m going to end up with too many innings anyway, so if he misses some time, no big deal.
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 19, 2010 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
Daniel's timed out
Tommy’s on the clock tonight, and for 25 minutes tomorrow if he so chooses.
by Zach Sanders on Feb 19, 2010 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
If Tommy gets his in quick
I can get mine in before heading to dinner
4.4 Rick Porcello, SP, $1.025 M
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Hey PWHjort or Zach
I have a feeling that I won’t be able to make my pick during the day tomorrow, as I’ll be skiing. Can I email either of you a queue?
You can leave it with me...
Though if Zach has agreed to do it, it’s probably best left with him. He’s a great deal more responsible and organized than I am.
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by PWHjort on Feb 19, 2010 9:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He's definitely more responsible and organized.
You still haven’t updated your personal team position board yet. Since Justin Upton. That I filled in for you, IIRC.
by perfectstrat on Feb 20, 2010 1:34 AM EST up reply actions
LOLOLOLOLOLOL
Its ok, it happens to the best of us.
by perfectstrat on Feb 20, 2010 1:32 AM EST up reply actions
Wanted Morales coming around the turn
Oh well.
by Zach Sanders on Feb 20, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
I thought I might be taking him a wee bit early. But I need to save some money after throwing some money around.
FU, FO
I really like how some people go really cheap early then have to spend more later and some spend more early and have to go cheaper later.
Interesting to follow.
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thought
Is it me or did the relative price of pitching go up this year? Last year my entire starting staff was put together for under 5 mil, and there were no slouches amongst them either. Lincecum, Gallardo, Billingsley, Baker and Sanchez.
FU, FO
Yes, it seems they did.
Just what happens when the group of good young pitchers hits arb.
by Zach Sanders on Feb 20, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
I guess I didn’t realize how exceptional that group was. I wasn’t worried that any of them would give me under 2 WAR (well, maybe Sanchez). It’s hard to find 5 guys I could say that about in this next group: Hansen, Kershaw and . . . ?
FU, FO
Well, this year you could do:
Gallardo, Hanson, Kershaw, Anderson, Jimenez.
And they would cost less than $3.5M.
I think I've got a good start with Gallardo, Slowey and Shields at 3.5 mil
Now the other two spots might be tough.
by Dan Turkenkopf on Feb 20, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
I have to leave for 5 hr
If it gets to round six, just keep going in this thread and I’ll make the new post when I get back. Play nice, kiddies.
by Zach Sanders on Feb 20, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
I wish PWHjort, if he's here, would pick.
I have to leave soon and I don’t want to divulge my two-person queue.
by perfectstrat on Feb 20, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
If you have to go, email them to me and I'll make your pick for you.
You have two picks before my next one, so I would be unable to steal your guys.
Two hours is two hours
Fantasy baseball ain’t beanbag
by Tommy Bennett on Feb 20, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
I have to leave now, so here are the player's I'd like:
1. Max Scherzer, P, Tigers, $.95 M
2. Gavin Floyd, P, White Sox, $2.5 M
I will be pretty quick, FYI
So stick around, Tommy, etc.
Salary Clarification: Julio Borbon
I just noticed that Julio Borbon is listed at $330k. Is that correct?
He signed a four year, $1.3M (major league) contract covering 2007-2010, but it appears $800k of that was paid as a signing bonus. Using our normal rules, that would result in a $125k 2010 salary.
Do we use that $125k, or do we bump him up to the league minimum $400k?
5.06 Max Scherzer, P
$0.95 M
(picking for perfectstrat)
PWHjort has timed out
I thought he was $9 Million this year
was the article I posted not valid?
by perfectstrat on Feb 20, 2010 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
... and now there are almost none
Nice pick.
I really hope my plan of picking bargain basement pitching works.
by Zach Sanders on Feb 20, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
You and I have gone totally different routes
Will be interesting to see how it works out
Maybe bargain basement isn't the right word
But not really planning on taking any big names (besides Felix, who I plan to pick one more time in Round 13). Could change based on who’s available, though.
by Zach Sanders on Feb 20, 2010 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
5.09 Adam Wainwright, SP, $4.65 M
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thanks
You guys win. You can keep your little marked-out piece of internet territory. Spend your days communicating via keyboard with people too ugly for the real world and too nerdy for anyone to care, anyway. Your piece of land is here. Do the rest of civilization a favor and stay within its limits. You bore me. Have fun with your nightly sobs and screams into your pillow over your inability to attract a good mate, Radiohead. ~The Hooligan
by Daniel Berlyn on Feb 20, 2010 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
5.10 kurt suzuki, c
.45 mil
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 20, 2010 5:17 PM EST reply actions
yeah me too
I almost took him with my last pick
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 20, 2010 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
5.12 B.J. Upton OF
$3 M, the spreadsheet has him listed at 3.15M, but I’m assuming that’s a pre-arbitration average, so is it safe to say 3 since he lost?
Also, since this thread is rounds 1-5, should I hold off on the next pick?
(picking for Steve Slowinski)
You can make the next pick here
he’ll make a new thread later.
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 20, 2010 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
$3m looks correct to me; the arbitration case was decided before we started drafting.
Also, the plan is to keep on drafting here until Zach sets up a new thread. Keep on pickin’.
Yeah, I made that sheet before his arb was decided
3 it is, though.
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by Steve Slowinski on Feb 20, 2010 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
NEW THREAD
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2010/2/20/1319504/boab-zack-greinke-draft-rounds-6-15
Please start visiting this one.
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