Sabernomics: Werth Deal is Aggressive, But Reasonable
JC Bradbury's Sabernomics often zigs when others zag, and today's defense of this weekend's Werth deal in DC is a perfect example. The standard line of thinking is that the deal was incredibly overpriced, poorly timed, and costly for a team that can't afford to make mistakes.
But JC takes exception with that analysis, and in fact, values Werth at $127M over the length of his $126M contract:
1. Aging - Bradbury contends that aging is "rather flat," for which his estimate takes account, but doesn't mention that Werth is a post-peak player getting paid like a player that projects to peak over the next several years.
2. Revenue Projection - He projects MLB revenue growth will remain at 9% through the the life of the contract, in what I presume is to suggest that Werth's percentage of the Nationals' total expenditures will go down accordingly.
3. Adam Dunn - Probably the best argument in the article, JC takes issue with the idea that the Nats could get the same production for less cost. The idea is that Dunn's "defense" makes him more valuable to an AL club, but he makes no mention of why paying another player 70 MILLION additional dollars (over an additional 3 years) is a way to leverage that AL/NL value disparity.
4. Albatross Contracts vs. Risk of Loss - This last argument has me somewhat stumped, honestly, but the gist of it is that albatross contracts can be mitigated by cutting losses, dealing away good players, and recouping some amount of the contract.
And what about the future? A few years down the road the Nationals may not just be a losing team, but a loser with an albatross contract. I think the Nationals signed this contract looking forward, rather than trying to make a splash now. The Nats may have needed some good press in DC, but Werth isn’t quite the household name to make that splash. The Nats have a core of good young players, such Ryan Zimmerman, Stephen Strasburg, and Bryce Harper. In a few years, when the team wants to add another piece to push them into the playoffs (and with players will be worth more) Werth could be worth more than his contract. Now, if the plan doesn’t work out, the Nats may end up having to cut their losses and deal away some of their good players. When that time comes, they can minimize some of their losses by selling away overpaid players for less—the loss isn’t the full salary of the contract. Yes, a loss is a loss, but risking a loss to make money is something that businesses must do every day.
I’m not sure I would have recommended this deal to Rizzo if asked, but I can understand why this deal was made. It’s aggressive, but reasonable.
Essentially, Bradbury is arguing that the Nationals may very well get one hundred and twenty six million dollars of value out of Jayson Werth eventually, and that's a fine (if slightly obtuse) argument.
The problem is that that isn't the problem. The problem is that the Nationals, for whatever reason, overpaid the current market value. Maybe they had to give him the additional year? Maybe there's a play-for-a-loser premium? Maybe they know something we don't? Maybe they have access to the Zoltan Prophetron Fortune Teller?
Perhaps there are a lot of fantastic reasons that contract got so high, but I think the crowd has this one right. It doesn't matter if they eventually get what they paid for (unless you're a Nats fan), the problem is that they paid more than the market was willing to currently bear, and in so doing have somewhat upset the balance of the entire Winter Meetings and every contract after this. It may eventually look like a fair deal, but it's a bad contract now.
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No, the problem is that JC's methodology is wack.
For example, if you take Werth’s 2010 JC-value, $16.1M, make it his 2011 value, increase it by 9% each year for inflation, and decrease it by 5% each year for aging, you get 7 years at $126M. Notice the amount of aging used: only 5%.
That’s like a 5 WAR player projected as a 4.75 WAR player next year, and 3.7 WAR seven years down the road — from ages 32 to 38. That’s just not what happens. (One reason his aging is so flat is that JC separates aging from other causes of attrition, like injury, but never accounts for those other causes in projections.)
Now, JC would have a problem with me putting his values on a WAR scale. For one, his values are non-linear. The first win above average is worth a bit over $1M, while the fifth win over average might be more like $2-3M. Oh, and the average player is worth about $5M in full-time duty, meaning a negative two win player (what we’d call rep level) is still worth about $3M. Anyway, given the 5% aging from above, Werth is put at $11.9M in 2017 (without inflation).
I do like JC’s approach at a high level. Instead of taking what teams actually spend and pulling average rates out of the data, he’s attempting to base salaries on revenue generated. He just doesn’t do it very well.
by Sky Kalkman on Dec 7, 2010 10:50 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
I assume the correlation between age and injury is probably significant.
To ignore it, seems unwise.
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I should note...
That JC claims not to ignore the non-aging causes of attrition in his aging study. His book is pretty confusing on that topic, but I should probably be a little less bold in my claim of what his study does. But, for example, on page 56 of his book:
Yes, some players do fall off a cliff at the end of their careers — sometimes in their early 30s — but such occurrences are unlikely to be the natural product of aging. An abrupt performance decline is normally the product of a major injury or another significant effect. General managers who sign a player in their 30s should expect a decline; but, the decline is so gradual that an excellent player will continue to be a good player for many years beyond his peak.
So basically everyone would be Jamie Moyer
if it weren’t for those pesky injuries?
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but aren't those injuries
often a result of the aging process? Or at least, isn’t there a correlation between aging and the likelihood of injury? That quote seems to treat the two as mutually exclusive. To me, that’s troubling.
That's precisely the issue.
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Yes, plus...
There’s a connection between playing time attrition. Even if a 31 year old never aged, you’d expect injuries to occur as he played the next seven seasons. Some injuries would simply cost playing time — half a season here, a month there. And some would cause irreversible damage to his talents — a broken wrist, a gimpy hamstring. Simply playing the game tends to cause attrition. Call it “aging” or call it “other”, it happens.
Here's my other major problem with JC's approach...
That’s my own attempt to plot wins vs. revenue for 2005-2009. I pro-rated the total revenue for each season to equal 2007 total revenue.
Notice that the linear model looks pretty good, if you ignore 5 points above the $300M line. Those are all Yankees. In order to put them near the best-fit line, you need the third-degree polynomial. Changing the whole model because of an outlier like the Yankees? Yeesh.
A related point is that JC’s model assumes every team rides the same revenue curve. I think he did some studies that backed up this assumption, but I’m hard pressed to believe it, especially over a short time period. If the Yankees won 70 games, would their revenue drop to $150M? Doubt it. If the Pirates won 100 games, would their revenue jump to $250M? Doubt it.
Anyway, what I think is going on is that teams more or less spend in order to maximize their revenue on their own curve. Teams like the Yankees and Red Sox have a steeper curve, so they spend more in order to make more. Teams like the Pirates don’t see nearly as much as a return getting to 95 wins, so it’s not worth spending the money to get there. Over the 2005 through 2009 time period, each team generally won about the same number of games. The Yankees were 90+, the Pirates were 75-. Applying a best-fit curve to the whole shebang is misleading. I don’t know the technical term for this, but the points are bunched by team, not all spread out over the whole graph.
Here’s a mockup of that phenomenon:

Each color represents a different team. The lines are an example of a different revenue curve for each team. Teams would slide along their own line as they won and lost more games. But in order to connect all the point, you need the exponential curve.
The downside of JC’s cubic regression equation is that it’s much too flat in the 60-80 win range and too steep above that point.
by Sky Kalkman on Dec 7, 2010 11:44 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
This could (and should) be its own fanpost/article.
Very cool analysis, Sky.
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Another visual
Here are about ten teams, color-coded. I tried to include teams that had a wider range of wins between 2005 and 2009. Can you spot any that moved along a common curve or even a non-linear curve? I can’t.
For example, look at the Mets. They pulled in $220M to $250M with win totals between 70 and 100. Other teams had a similar win spread, but earned less money consistently — Dodgers ~$220M, White Sox ~$180M, Twins ~$140M.
On thing that comes to mind is that revenue is highly dependent on multi-year performance. Win 100 games in year X and you’re likely to see a revenue jump in year Y. Or, if you’re a consistent 95 win team, but win only 70 in one season, you won’t see your revenue plummet. It might take 3, 4, or 5 years of 70 win teams to see a large effect.
Simplistic look at aging...
I took the 2004 Marcels from Jeff Sackman’s site and compared them to the 2010 performances for the top 100 projected hitters by FG wOBA. 68 of those players were 32 or younger in 2004.
Weighting by 2010 plate appearances, Marcel projected a 2004 wOBA of .382, while they actually posted a .350 wOBA. That’s about 15 runs of lost production per 600 PAs. It’s all “aging” or decreases in talent caused by injuries over that time span.
However, playing time dropped dramatically. 30 of the players were no longer active in 2010, and ten more had fewer than 300 PAs. Marcel projected 503 PAs per player in 2004, while there were only 257 per player in 2010 — half as many.
If you only look at players who played in 2010, they were projected for 533 PAs in 2004, but had 460 in 2010.
Using a crude RAR/VORP model (wOBA – .310) * PA / 1.15, these 32 and younger players were projected for an average of 30 RAR in 2004, but posted an average of 9 RAR in 2010. Removing the players out of the league in 2010, RAR per player drops from 33 expected in 2004 to 16 in 2010.
One last one. I removed anyone who was projected for less than 450 PAs in 2004. 52 of them. Only 32, or about 60% were even in the league in 2010. On average, RAR dropped from 34 to 10, or to only 30% of the initial level. And even if you could guarantee the player would be around in 2010, RAR dropped over 50% of the initial level, from 36 to 16 RAR.
@RobNeyer:
1. If you were Batman, my sometimes hyperbolic statements would be the criminals cowering in the darkness.
2. I’ll admit that this doesn’t “upset the balance” if you admit that Carl Crawford’s potential deal is drastically inflated because of it. And as Royals fans, that should really piss us off (not that we had a shot at him anyway).
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It would help if he didn't keep making the same points repeatedly
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Or if his points actually had some logic behind them
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by vivaelpujols on Dec 8, 2010 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
His points have statistical models behind them. Criticize the models, but don’t ignore them.
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by alexwithclass on Dec 9, 2010 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
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by Justin Bopp on Dec 13, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
If the contract is a good deal eventually, that makes it a good deal
Unless I’m misreading Justin, the final point seems slightly contradictory: “It doesn’t matter if they eventually get what they paid for (unless you’re a Nats fan), the problem is that they paid more than the market was willing to currently bear, and in so doing have somewhat upset the balance of the entire Winter Meetings and every contract after this. It may eventually look like a fair deal, but it’s a bad contract now.”
Actually, it DOES matter that they eventually get what they paid for. You could argue that the Nationals have mistaken priorities, but you can’t say that this is a bad deal if they accurately projected Werth’s value over the next seven years and paid him a salary commensurate to that value.
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Not really...
This kinda sounds like a curse of the auction winner scenario.
In order to win an auction, you have to outbid all other bidders; therefore, you pay more than any other player on the market would pay.
In this case, Werth may produce $127M of value at a cost of $126M, but if his second best offer was $110M you SHOULD have offered $111M and recouped $16M of value instead of $1M of value.
Now, there is the possibility that the counter offer would have increased every time over until it reached $126; however, unless you have perfect information on what the maximum bids were for all other bidders you wouldn’t know that. I doubt the Nats knew what the other “max” offers were.
It’s a bad deal because it’s an auction winning bid that blew away the other bids. The only reasonable justification for the Nats to do so would be to pay a “losers” penalty to get a good player to sign with a bad team.
If they get their $1M of surplus value out of the contract over the life of the contract, that simply means that they accurately priced what their maximum bid should have been but may have overestimated the eagerness of other clubs to bid for Werth’s services.
You’re misstating the winner’s curse. In the winner’s curse, the winner actually gets no net value or negative net value from the transaction.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winner’s_curse
If the Nationals get a positive net value, then it isn’t a bad contract. And if they correctly formulated the models they used to generate the $126m dollar figure, then their decision process was correct.
(Obviously, if their model was wrong and they STILL get a good value from Werth, then the deal is good but the process was bad; if the model was right but they fail to get a good value from Werth due to processes they couldn’t have accounted for, the decision process was valid even though the deal turned out bad.)
As it is, it’s hard for me to credit the author’s assertion that the Werth contract was “more than the market could bear,” considering that Werth’s deal is right in between the Holliday and Crawford deals, which bookended the year 2010. The three top free agent outfielders all got a very similar amount of money.
Theoretically, I understand the point you’re making, but I don’t think there’s a great deal of evidence that the second best offer was $110 million.
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