Ron Santo vs. Hall of Fame Median

by adarowski on Dec 3, 2010 2:04 PM EST in Visuals Above Replacement

Not only was Ron Santo an above average baseball player, he would have been (and will some day be) an above average Hall of Fame baseball player. I just wish he could have been there to take part.

I'm pretty sure that this year us stat geeks will be responsible for our first Hall of Famer in Bert Blyleven. Let's make Santo #2.

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Have you made this graphic before?

Because it’s freaking awesome

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by CajoleJuice on Dec 3, 2010 2:08 PM EST reply actions

I have not. And thank you!

I’ve been working on it for something else. But sometimes something takes precedence and you want to “commemorate” the first use.

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by adarowski on Dec 3, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions

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by Justin Bopp on Dec 3, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions

I just love the simplicity

I also have always liked the idea of WAE and WAM, so this is just a wonderful combination.

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by CajoleJuice on Dec 3, 2010 5:12 PM EST up reply actions

just curious

who is the median HOFer?

and you can put it on the boaaaaaard YES, HELL YES

by yefrem on Dec 3, 2010 3:05 PM EST reply actions

Well, that's the median for each metric, so not the same player.

But I found that it’s damn near Tim Raines.

Median:
WAR: 58.0
WAE: 21.5
WAM: 2.6

Raines:
WAR: 64.6
WAE: 21.4
WAM: 2.3

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by adarowski on Dec 3, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions

Really cool

by vivaelpujols on Dec 3, 2010 4:08 PM EST reply actions

I think it's time we bring back the GotW, Adam.

Between the Visuals Above Replacement and the three Pitchf/x guys, there’s a lot of great stuff every week.

by Justin Bopp on Dec 3, 2010 4:37 PM EST reply actions

Bring it, Bopp. :)

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by adarowski on Dec 3, 2010 9:13 PM EST up reply actions

Are these only for position players?

Or does it include all players. Don’t pitchers have a tougher time accumulating WAR nowadays because the era they pitch in?

by sleeknerve on Dec 3, 2010 9:15 PM EST reply actions

Just to make it clear.

I am a big big fan of this graphic, nice work.

by sleeknerve on Dec 3, 2010 9:25 PM EST up reply actions

Yes... I denoted that in the graphic I was working on, but forgot to port that over. Good catch.

I’ll be doing a separate “bullseye” for pitchers. And on Monday I just may work from one for just a specific position.

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by adarowski on Dec 3, 2010 9:51 PM EST up reply actions

i ran a quick search for HOF third basemen who played at least 50% at third base

lowest WAR is al kaline at 91.0

and you can put it on the boaaaaaard YES, HELL YES

by yefrem on Dec 5, 2010 11:23 PM EST up reply actions

sorry that's wrong

thought that was high

another search shows the median score for HOF third basemen is actually 50.4. there are 12 3b in the HOF.

and you can put it on the boaaaaaard YES, HELL YES

by yefrem on Dec 5, 2010 11:29 PM EST up reply actions

Above 50.4 and not in:

Chipper (80.1)
Santo (66.4)
Rolen (66.1)
Nettles (61.6)
Bell (60.8)
Bando (60.6)
Boyer (58.4)
Evans (57.3)
Ventura (55.5)
Hack (54.8)
Elliot (52.3)
Cey (52.0)

Not saying that all of these guys should be in. But there ARE too few 3B. Wish we could cut some of the fat and add guys who really should be in, like Santo and probably Nettles, Bando, or Bell… or Boyer… or… that’s one of the problems. Beyond Santo, nobody really stands out from the crowd. And you can’t put ’em all in. Can you?

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by adarowski on Dec 6, 2010 10:10 AM EST up reply actions