Greinke's Pitches
Zack Greinke has undoubtedly been the talk of the baseball world following Sunday's Royals/Brewers trade that sent Greinke to Milwaukee for four Brewers prospects. Since 2008, Greinke has established himself as one of the best pitchers in the game; his 19.6 wins above replacement (Fangraphs' implementation) is fourth best in the majors over that time behind Roy Halladay, Cliff Lee, and Tim Lincecum. Since Greinke is the "hot topic," I'll give a brief look to the pitches that Greinke throws and what results they got in 2010.
Greinke throws a four-seam fastball, a two-seam fastball, a hard slider, a changeup, and a few different types of curveballs (more on this later). He fed hitters with a near-even mix of four-seamers and two-seamers last year, and threw all three of his off-speed pitches about 13% of the time. The charts below show the spin deflection from the catchers' perspective for the five pitches and the velocity distribution for each pitch. (click to enlarge)
As the velocity distribution shows, Greinke covers a lot of different of speeds. His fastball can reach the upper 90s, and he'll drop his curveball down to around 60. He even threw a 67 mph eephus changeup this year in an at-bat against the Braves' Kris Medlen. The curve, in particular, is very interesting --- as Harry Pavlidis showed us last year, the curve looks like three distinct pitches that have similar movement. Splitting the curveballs by game into three different speed buckets, you get a "slow" curve at ~70 mph, a "regular" curve at ~75 mph, and a "fast" curve that borders on slider territory and averages ~80 mph:
% of total CU
Velocity
pfx_x
pfx_z
Slow
.244
69.28
4.88
-2.42
Regular
.433
74.53
4.38
-1.83
Fast
.323
80.35
4.45
-1.55
(pfx_x is horizontal spin deflection with higher numbers indicating a pitch that moves away from a right-handed batter. pfx_z is vertical spin deflection in which 0 is a theoretical spinless pitch.)
I'm not sure if it's more effective to think about the curve as three distinct pitches or as one pitch that gets a lot of speed variation. (Thoughts from those who get to watch Greinke more than I do: your thoughts would be appreciated.) In the tables below are some pitch results for Greinke's pitches, with all the curves lumped together.
| # | Pitch% | Swing Rate | Whiff Rate | Zone Rate | Chase Rate | Watch Rate | RV/100 | xRV/100 | |
| FF | 1093 | .318 | .434 | .181 | .514 | .275 | .416 | -0.46 | -0.92 |
| FT | 975 | .284 | .454 | .081 | .441 | .257 | .295 | -0.87 | 0.69 |
| SL | 491 | .143 | .536 | .376 | .322 | .426 | .234 | -2.32 | -2.24 |
| CH | 454 | .132 | .476 | .208 | .374 | .345 | .306 | 0.96 | 0.54 |
| CU | 406 | .118 | .345 | .193 | .478 | .217 | .515 | 2.06 | -0.47 |
| 3430 | .450 | .191 | .442 | .436 | .262 | -0.37 | -0.40 |
Swing rate - swings divided by total pitches
Whiff rate - all swinging strikes divided by total swings
Zone rate - pitches in the strikezone divided by total pitches
Chase rate - swings at pitches out of the zone divided by total pitches out of the zone
Watch rate - pitches not swung at in the strikezone divided by total pitches in the strikezone
RV/100 - linear weight run values per 100 pitches, a stat that John Walsh (among others) popularized in February 2008. These values (kindly provided to me by Dan Brooks) do not perfectly reflect the 2010 run environment.
xRV/100 - expected linear weight run values per 100 pitches with league-average values based on batted-ball types substituted for actual outcomes
| GB Rate | FB Rate | LD Rate | PU Rate | |
| FF | .307 | .331 | .209 | .153 |
| FT | .478 | .265 | .217 | .039 |
| SL | .500 | .280 | .159 | .061 |
| CH | .600 | .171 | .219 | .010 |
| CU | .429 | .397 | .127 | .048 |
| .456 | .279 | .199 | .066 |
Judging from these numbers, it would look like his two best pitches are his slider and his four-seamer. The two-seam fastball is thrown to contact and doesn't get enough ground balls to be an extremely effective pitch, and the change and curve don't look that special (though that is a sweet groundball/flyball ratio for the change).
Greinke had a good season last year, though it was nowhere as good as his 2009 - while he maintained his impeccable control, his ERA rose by two runs and his strikeout rate fell. His whiff rate of .191 last year was unspectacular compared to his 2009 mark of .234 (which was aided greatly by his well-documented slider). I'd expect his numbers to be better in 2011 with his move to the NL Central.
The data used in this post are courtesy of Joe Lefkowitz's site.
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Excellent work once again, Lucas
Interesting read and nice analysis.
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I'm not sure what you're asking in regards to the curve
It is, in effect, a curve at all speeds, but he consciously changes it up to mess with a hitter’s timing. It would be interesting to the rates he uses slower pitches in different leverage situations.
I wasn't too clear about my question
Basically, I’m asking if within a game, it looks more like three distinct pitches rather than one pitch that he varies the speed on. When I looked at the data game-by-game, I could sometimes see three distinct velocity clusters. As a random example, here are his curveball velocities from June 3rd versus Los Angeles:
69.2
69.3
70.5
71.9
73.8
74.6
74.7
78.2
79.2
79.2
That’s how I split them up into the “slow,” “regular,” and “fast” buckets, but it could just be completely random.
by Lucas Apostoleris on Dec 22, 2010 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
The movement's similar or the same for all three speeds, right?
I would consider it one pitch he just decides to throw at different speeds.
by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 22, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
Usually I find that assertions that a pitcher is "changing speeds" with the same pitch to be wholly bunk, and totally caused by just random flunctuation
The curve of Greinke may be an exception, if they do fall into 3 velocity clusters.
good work
And about the curve, I would consider it three different pitches if Greinke considers it three different pitches. By that I mean: is he throwing all three curves in the same counts? To the same locations? Is his distribution of these three curves the same to righties and lefties?
Love your density graphs, Lucas.
They’re my favorite parts of your posts
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I never commented, but...
I really love this post. Makes sense of this Pitch f/x stuff that makes me crazy.
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