BtB Mailbag: Matt Stairs, Cliff Lee, or Zack Greinke?
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Cliff Lee signing with the Phillies was a pretty crazy move (in the sense of unexpected and exciting), but the move and its implications on whether or not the Phils now have the best rotation off all time (Cole Hamels as the team's #4 starter is also crazy, as in insane) has been covered quite well all over the place. I'll just add that I'm glad he didn't go to New York, but Phillies fans don't have much right to complain about the Yankees' spending anymore. The best job in baseball next year might be as the Phillies longman; make $400K just to watch ballgames every day - maybe go in once a month or so.
The first question this week is near and dear to my heart:
Drew asks: Matt Stairs has been on a lot of teams, huh? Why does he keep getting traded/moved/picked up?
Stairs - who signed with the Nationals this week - is going to be 43 in February. He doesn't play more than a handful of games in the field each year anymore. And yet he still keeps chugging along, moving to his 7th team since 2006. While his .232/.306/.475 line from 2010 looks very unexciting for a guy whose only job is to come off the bench and hit, playing in Petco didn't exactly do him any favors. In fact, his wRC+ of 118 is right there with his career mark (119). Stairs will take a walk (he's had at least a 9.9% walk rate every season in his career with at least 100 PA) and he'll pop and occasional home run*. Considering it's just a minor league deal, there's a decent chance that Stairs - who has compiled 1.1 fWAR over the course of the last two seasons in just 240 plate appearances - will provide Washington with a good return on investment. Also, Matt Stairs is just plain awesome.
* It's what he does: "I'm not going to lie," Stairs told the assembled media after the game. "I try to hit home runs and that's it.
Kelly asks: There's no way anybody will be really happy with Greinke after Lee was on the table, right?
I don't know. Which of the following pitchers would you prefer going forward?
(Stats over the last three years)
A: 667.1 IP, 2.98 ERA, 2.85 FIP, 3.51 xFIP, 7.2 K/9, 1.3 BB/9, 20.9 fWAR, 16.6 brWAR
B: 651.2 IP, 3.25 ERA, 3.05 FIP, 3.55 xFIP, 8.4 K/9, 2.2 BB/9, 19.6 fWAR, 15.6 brWAR
I imagine it's not hard to guess who's who with the strike-out and walk numbers, but that's still pretty close. Then add in that pitcher A is 32 and pitcher B is 29. I think I'd actually take Greinke at two years and $27 M over Lee at 5/$120M (plus a $12.5 M buyout). With the on-field performance being that close, taking the younger, cheaper guy with the much smaller financial commitment (pitchers aren't usually in the habit of staying healthy for long periods of time - and Greinke might be the safer bet in that area as well) seems like a solid plan.
Now, Grienke will obviously take several arms and legs to acquire in a trade which makes that option less attractive, but if you're a team that (1) is close to contention, (2) has some young players you can give up, and (3) doesn't have the biggest budget, then Grienke could very well have been the #1 option even when Lee was available. And even if not, having the guy who put up one of the great all-time pitching seasons as recently as 2009 on your team is a heck of a consolation prize.
Final verdict: it doesn't matter; the Nationals already won the off-season by getting Matt Stairs (I wish the "In Case of Emergency, Use Stairs" shirts were a little better designed (no offense) - I would totally get one. And a hoodie. And maybe a refrigerator magnet).
John asks: My cousin wants to play baseball to get rich, and I think he has the talent. If he was extremely good at one thing but nothing else, what would get him a decent job in some team's system?
I think that throwing hard off of the mound is probably the number one thing. That's one of those things that can't be taught, and I think teams are willing to dream on a guy with a big-time fastball enough to keep him around (collecting paychecks) for a little while. Monster power at the plate is probably the runner-up choice, but a pitcher who throws hard can maybe "develop" control, while a power hitter with a hole in his swing is easier to give up on I think. Those are tools type answers though. If he can be good at one thing, outcomes-wise, then striking out every batter he faces or hitting a home run every time up at the plate would probably make him a not insignificant amount of money. If that sounds like something he could do, please forward him my name so we can be friends (does he need an agent?).
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That makes the question a little harder, doesn't it?
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by Justin Bopp on Dec 16, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
Oops
Subtracting is hard. Corrected, thanks.
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by Daniel Moroz on Dec 16, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
How is Matt Stairs not winning the poll?
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by Jeff Zimmerman on Dec 16, 2010 12:41 PM EST reply actions
Yep. And I'm not sure it's a contest.
Maybe I’m biased, but I’d take Greinke.
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Me too
and if I’m biased, my bias is pro-Cliff.
On another note, I would think that playing SS extremely well would be another one — especially since anyone who could do that would be at least a good athlete with good speed, and teams always seem to think they can teach those guys to hit.
by The Ancient Mariner on Dec 16, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
If you're going to do that, though
it helps if you have a dad that played in the ML.

(TPJ’s value peaked while he was in diapers, when he was still replacement level)
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Ignoring contracts, I’d still go Lee; Greinke’s WAR is incredibly inflated by his crazy 2009, a marker he probably won’t reach ever again. Lee has consistently been worth at least +6.5 fWAR for 3 straight seasons. Greinke’s true talent level is probably somewhere in the +4.5 to +5.5 range.
However, factoring in contracts, Greinke becomes more appealing, especially if we are under the assumption there is the possibility of locking him up long term. I do think both pitchers are decent bets to produce close to, or more than, $10M in surplus value next year. Greinke’s age also makes him more appealing since you have him for his prime years and you can argue there is the upside of getting another insane year.
So yeah, I’m on the fence. For just 1 year I’d probably stick with Lee. For 2? Eesh… that’s tough, but I’d lean slightly towards Lee again. Over the next 3? Well you don’t have Greinke for that long, but if I did, I’d take him over Lee.
One thing is for sure though: you certainly can’t go wrong with either.
I'm not convinced your last statement is true.
I think one could absolutely wrong to go wrong with either/or. Not likely, but possible.
The contract with Lee at his age is obviously an issue, not to mention the potential that he suddenly forgets how to maintain his inflated GB%.
As for Zack, you mentioned one reason his value could be overstated, though the counter argument typically consists of, “no, that’s his actual talent — when he’s motivated and interested.” Of course, the latter part is the real problem, not to mention some social anxiety related issues that may be exacerbated in a larger market.
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Last season the Padres were in Coors.
I was grabbing a beer.
Betancourt was on to pitch.
Stairs came to the plate and I thought “heh, Matt Stairs. All he does is punish straight-hard-fastball throwers.”
….
“Wait a minute. Rafael Betancourt throws a straight-hard fastball.”
by Andrew Martin on Dec 16, 2010 3:16 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
LOL
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I couldn't choose between Lee and Greinke.
So I chose Stairs. And I feel satisfied with that decision.
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I’d read it, I’d bookmark it and then email the link to friends and family.
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by t ball on Dec 17, 2010 12:29 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
+1
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by Daniel Moroz on Dec 17, 2010 6:40 AM EST up reply actions
+2
The only irritating thing about Joe is when he tries to make new words for absolutely no reason. “Texpensive” was the worst. Just write, Joe. You’re too good for that!
That said, he’s the best in the business, hands down. I love when he mentions Kansas City personalities on SI. I’m like, “hey, I know who that is and I’m pretty sure 95% of his readers have no idea! I’m special!”
We love you, Joe!
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by Justin Bopp on Dec 17, 2010 10:08 AM EST up reply actions

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