Double Plays Erased 16.5% of Jim Rice's Offensive Value
Double plays can be toxic to an offense. Not only are you getting yourself out, but you're also getting somebody else out and either ending the inning or taking a very promising no-out situation to a two-out one. Nobody in the history of baseball (according to Sean Smith's calculations) cost their team more by grounding into double plays than Hall of Famer Jim Rice. However, this major flaw in his game goes essentially undetected to the casual fan because it isn't reflected in his batting average, OPS, or other traditional metrics.
It's not that I love to pick on Jim Rice.
I mean, I'm a Red Sox fan who lives in Massachusetts. So, he's kind of a legend around these parts. But I think he's a wonderful example of a player who's perceived value is much different from his objective value.
Rice looks great at first glance—he had an MVP, hit for average and power, and did it all during a time of depressed offense. So, why does his Wins Above Replacement total (41.5) rank just 258th all time (among position players) alongside the likes of Jose Canseco, Andy Van Slyke, and Lenny Dykstra?
Rice's career counting numbers looked pretty good: a .298 average, 382 home runs, 1451 RBI, and 2452 hits. He's one of only 14 players in Major League history to reach all of those numbers. Yet he ranks at the bottom—and by a wide margin—in WAR among those players.
| Rk | Player | WAR/pos | HR | RBI | H | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Babe Ruth | 172.0 | .342 | 714 | 2213 | 2873 |
| 2 | Barry Bonds | 171.8 | .298 | 762 | 1996 | 2935 |
| 3 | Willie Mays | 154.7 | .302 | 660 | 1903 | 3283 |
| 4 | Hank Aaron | 141.6 | .305 | 755 | 2297 | 3771 |
| 5 | Stan Musial | 127.8 | .331 | 475 | 1951 | 3630 |
| 6 | Ted Williams | 125.3 | .344 | 521 | 1839 | 2654 |
| 7 | Lou Gehrig | 118.4 | .340 | 493 | 1995 | 2721 |
| 8 | Mel Ott | 109.3 | .304 | 511 | 1860 | 2876 |
| 9 | Alex Rodriguez | 101.9 | .303 | 613 | 1831 | 2672 |
| 10 | Jimmie Foxx | 94.1 | .325 | 534 | 1922 | 2646 |
| 11 | Chipper Jones | 80.1 | .306 | 436 | 1491 | 2490 |
| 12 | Frank Thomas | 75.9 | .301 | 521 | 1704 | 2468 |
| 13 | Manny Ramirez | 67.5 | .313 | 555 | 1830 | 2573 |
| 14 | Jim Rice | 41.5 | .298 | 382 | 1451 | 2452 |
Why is Rice so far behind?
First of all, any time you make a list like that, your guy is bound to be at the bottom. I'm using all the numbers Rice achieved as the minimums. So, everyone on the list exceeded each of them. But there are also a couple fundamental differences between Rice and the rest of the list.
- Rice didn't walk. His 670 walks are so far behind on this list that it's ridiculous. The next-lowest is Alex Rodriguez (1119)—and he's still active. Three of these guys have over two thousand walks. If there's one thing I've learned in the last two years of dabbling in sabermetrics it's that players who walk have a ton of value. Rice simply didn't walk.
- Rice didn't hit doubles. His 373 doubles are dead last on the list, too.
- Then there's those damn double plays. -45 runs isn't really the end of the world. It basically hacks 4.5 WAR off his career total. That certainly doesn't shrink the gap between him and the rest of the list. But 45 runs is still a substantial amount. We're talking about the entire offensive value (above average) of guys like Carl Everett, Steve Finley, Rondell White, or Travis Fryman.
There's also an elephant in the room. While Sean Smith (and therefore Baseball-Reference) have Rice at 41.5 wins, Fangraphs has him at 56.1 WAR. Of course, I've seen differences between the two before—they use different inputs (but similar methodologies). What really strikes me is the difference in Batting Runs. Sean Smith has 279 to Fangraphs' 336.5. If anyone has an explanation for this, I'm all ears!
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Pretty sure Rally uses a higher baseline
But that would affect replacement runs, not batting runs, assuming those values are RAA. So I dunno. Rally adjusts for strength of opponent (I think), but I’d be surprised if it makes such a big difference at the career level. He also does his park factors with components, and I think those components are specific to batter handedness. In contrast, I think fangraphs just does a blanket park factor for runs. Maybe this affects Rice a lot because Boston’s such a screwy park for lefties vs. righties?
Just throwing stuff out there.
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Rice WAR vs. WAR
Not sure Fangraphs adjusts for DPs in older seasons? If you add those 46 runs back to the Sean Smith batting runs of 279 you get 325, which is close to 336.5 batting runs at FanGraphs.
KJOK
I remember this from an earlier discussion on FIP
But when talking about past performance, we know that it didn’t occur in an ideal world. That’s why we should start with what actually happened (runs allowed) as the baseline and then start adjusting for other factors.
FIP doesn’t capture the ability to overcome a key error by your shortstop by inducing a timely grounder. It also doesn’t capture the ability to diagnose and fix a guillotine bug (yes, this is the type of crap we deal with). But these skills are key to finishing the job and succeeding.
Rally for the past. Fangraphs for the future.
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2010/6/25/1536419/on-fielding-independent-pitching
Maybe the same applies here?
by Jason Collette on Nov 26, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
Excellent work!
But he has the fear!
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That's a great graphic to show that.
When you're drowning, you don't say 'I would be incredibly pleased if someone would have the foresight to notice me drowning and come and help me,' you just scream.
That's good enough for me.
When you're drowning, you don't say 'I would be incredibly pleased if someone would have the foresight to notice me drowning and come and help me,' you just scream.
I think it's time we ran a side-by-side
of fWAR and rWAR (or came up with something else).
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