Positive Comments on the 2010 Hall of Fame Voting
by Jeff Zimmerman (TucsonRoyal) on Jan 6, 2010 11:44 PM EST
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Several media sources are not happy that this year's Hall of Fame class consists exclusively of Andre Dawson. Well, I decided to come up with some positive comments about this year's election. There will be...huh...the voters...wait...we can expect...give me a minute.......
All right, I got four:
- No one voted for Ray Lankford
- No one voted for Mike Jackson
- No one voted for Shane Reynolds
- No one voted for Todd Zeile
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Did Appier really get a single vote?
Anybody wanna give the odds that it was JoePoz?
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Justin (the other one) has convinced me he probably should have gotten a lot more.
Better candidate than Jack Morris, that’s for sure.
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Same with me as well
Appier had a prime that was far more impressive than I had initially presumed. For about eight seasons, he had a HOF-quality prime, it’s just that he did so little before and after.
I’d vote for Appier a million times before voting for Morris.
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by Satchel Price on Jan 7, 2010 8:58 AM EST up reply actions
Poz didn't vote for Appier according to his SI piece earlier this week.
I’m guessing it was someone else from KC, though. It’s a shame he got so little attention, but the same thing happened to Dave Stieb. Though at least Stieb got 7 votes.
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The two votes for Eric Karros disturb me more.
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by Jeff Zimmerman (TucsonRoyal) on Jan 7, 2010 8:44 AM EST up reply actions
Do you think that voters ever looked at their career WAR?
CHONE has Karros at 9.1 WAR for his entire career, compared to 7.8 for Segui. Talk about some truly awful votes.
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by Satchel Price on Jan 7, 2010 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
Dawson is a "dividing-line" candidate
So I don’t really have an issue with him getting in.
Of course I think Alomar, Larkin, Blyleven, Raines, Martinez and Trammell should have gone first, but what do I know?
Plenty, since you got that right.
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Dawson's Defense
I don’t think of Dawson as a Hall of Famer based on his offense. A lot has been made of his .323 OBP. The eight gold gloves to go along with questionable HoF offensive numbers got him into the Hall of Fame. It’s an absolute crime that Alomar did not make the Hall on the first ballot with his combination of great offense and great defense at second base.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
There's the rub.
Basing an HOF candidacy on a faulty award like “Gold Gloves” is absurd.
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Some metrics question his defensive ability
by Dan Turkenkopf on Jan 7, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
TotalZone has him basically average for his career.
I would LOVE to hear some arguments as to what everyone who watched him was missing (if he really wasn’t as good as we think) or what TotalZone might be missing. You know, something like “yeah, he was graceful as heck, but slow and graceful is overrated.”
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To be fair, Alomar's decline was brutal
His defensive numbers absolutely plummeted after he left Cleveland. And frankly, I have some doubts about TotalZone, as brilliant as Sean Smith is, given that the statistic seem be massively volatile on a year-to-year basis.
Although there should definitely be some questions asked considering that TotalZone has a pretty good track record when the sample size is as big as Alomar’s entire career.
My guess is that Alomar is better than TotalZone indicates, but not quite the legend that some writers and other voices have made him out to be.
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by Satchel Price on Jan 7, 2010 2:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Alomar's Decline
His decline was precipitous. How much does range play a role in TotalZone? His range was noticeably shrinking in his later seasons. Overall for his career, he seemed to be a really good defensive second baseman. He hung on too long.
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I'm not sure if he hung on too long
He retired after his age 36 season, when he was one of the very best players in the game as recently as his age 33 season. It’s not so much that he hung on too long, but rather that his decline was shockingly quick and sweet.
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by Satchel Price on Jan 7, 2010 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
Five blank ballots were submitted
And Alomar missed out by five votes. What a shame.
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