Positive Comments on the 2010 Hall of Fame Voting

by Jeff Zimmerman on Jan 6, 2010 11:44 PM EST

Several media sources are not happy that this year's Hall of Fame class consists exclusively of Andre Dawson. Well, I decided to come up with some positive comments about this year's election. There will be...huh...the voters...wait...we can expect...give me a minute.......

All right, I got four:

No one voted for Ray Lankford
No one voted for Mike Jackson
No one voted for Shane Reynolds
No one voted for Todd Zeile

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Lankford should have gotten some votes IMO

by vivaelpujols on Jan 6, 2010 11:48 PM EST reply actions 1 recs

Did Appier really get a single vote?

Anybody wanna give the odds that it was JoePoz?

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by Justin Bopp on Jan 7, 2010 12:16 AM EST reply actions

Justin (the other one) has convinced me he probably should have gotten a lot more.

Better candidate than Jack Morris, that’s for sure.

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by Sky Kalkman on Jan 7, 2010 7:40 AM EST up reply actions

Same with me as well

Appier had a prime that was far more impressive than I had initially presumed. For about eight seasons, he had a HOF-quality prime, it’s just that he did so little before and after.

I’d vote for Appier a million times before voting for Morris.

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by Satchel Price on Jan 7, 2010 8:58 AM EST up reply actions

Poz didn't vote for Appier according to his SI piece earlier this week.

I’m guessing it was someone else from KC, though. It’s a shame he got so little attention, but the same thing happened to Dave Stieb. Though at least Stieb got 7 votes.
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by JinAZ on Jan 7, 2010 10:02 AM EST up reply actions

Didn't someone...

…cast a vote for David Segui?

by danielj on Jan 7, 2010 2:44 AM EST reply actions

The two votes for Eric Karros disturb me more.

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by Jeff Zimmerman on Jan 7, 2010 8:44 AM EST up reply actions

Do you think that voters ever looked at their career WAR?

CHONE has Karros at 9.1 WAR for his entire career, compared to 7.8 for Segui. Talk about some truly awful votes.

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by Satchel Price on Jan 7, 2010 9:33 AM EST up reply actions

Dawson is a "dividing-line" candidate

So I don’t really have an issue with him getting in.

Of course I think Alomar, Larkin, Blyleven, Raines, Martinez and Trammell should have gone first, but what do I know?

by Dan Turkenkopf on Jan 7, 2010 8:07 AM EST reply actions

Plenty, since you got that right.

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by SFiercex4 on Jan 7, 2010 8:59 AM EST up reply actions

Dawson's Defense

I don’t think of Dawson as a Hall of Famer based on his offense. A lot has been made of his .323 OBP. The eight gold gloves to go along with questionable HoF offensive numbers got him into the Hall of Fame. It’s an absolute crime that Alomar did not make the Hall on the first ballot with his combination of great offense and great defense at second base.

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by memphiscub on Jan 7, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions

There's the rub.

Basing an HOF candidacy on a faulty award like “Gold Gloves” is absurd.

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by Justin Bopp on Jan 7, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions

Some metrics question his defensive ability

by Dan Turkenkopf on Jan 7, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions

Alomar's that is

by Dan Turkenkopf on Jan 7, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions

TotalZone has him basically average for his career.

I would LOVE to hear some arguments as to what everyone who watched him was missing (if he really wasn’t as good as we think) or what TotalZone might be missing. You know, something like “yeah, he was graceful as heck, but slow and graceful is overrated.”

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by Sky Kalkman on Jan 7, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions

To be fair, Alomar's decline was brutal

His defensive numbers absolutely plummeted after he left Cleveland. And frankly, I have some doubts about TotalZone, as brilliant as Sean Smith is, given that the statistic seem be massively volatile on a year-to-year basis.

Although there should definitely be some questions asked considering that TotalZone has a pretty good track record when the sample size is as big as Alomar’s entire career.

My guess is that Alomar is better than TotalZone indicates, but not quite the legend that some writers and other voices have made him out to be.

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by Satchel Price on Jan 7, 2010 2:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

Alomar's Decline

His decline was precipitous. How much does range play a role in TotalZone? His range was noticeably shrinking in his later seasons. Overall for his career, he seemed to be a really good defensive second baseman. He hung on too long.

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by memphiscub on Jan 7, 2010 6:17 PM EST up reply actions

I'm not sure if he hung on too long

He retired after his age 36 season, when he was one of the very best players in the game as recently as his age 33 season. It’s not so much that he hung on too long, but rather that his decline was shockingly quick and sweet.

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by Satchel Price on Jan 7, 2010 9:50 PM EST up reply actions