Why You Shouldn't Trade for Arroyo
I notice when people speak about adding a starting pitcher they look to the possibility of trading for Bronson Arroyo. So, I wonder to myself: what exactly does Bronson Arroyo give you that someone like Jon Garland doesn't? For one, you have to trade for Arroyo, whom I'm not even sure the Reds view as a salary dump, and you'll have to pay at least $13M (I'm including his 2011 buyout money, and he can still earn an extra $2M based on IP in 2010 which could push the total to $15M). Garland can probably be had on a 1 year deal for ~$7M.
Lets take a looking at their FIP, xFIP, and WAR from this past season:
2009 FIP:
Garland - 4.48
Arroyo - 4.78
2009 xFIP:
Garland - 4.63
Arroyo - 4.56
2009 WAR:
Garland - 2.4
Arroyo - 1.8
Now, if your argument is "well Arroyo has a stronger history of success!" or something of that nature, then I will say there is no question Arroyo circa 2004-2007 was very good. In that stretch his average WAR was ~3.5, but its not like Garland was that much worse; pitching in the AL for all 4 of those seasons, he averaged a WAR of ~3.3 over that same time frame. What about the most recent years, 2008 and 2009? Well, the same goes for the last 2 seasons, in terms of the equality:
Arroyo's WAR in 2008: 2.4
Arroyo's WAR in 2009: 1.8
Average WAR over past 2 seasons: 2.1
Garland's WAR in 2008: 1.9
Garland's WAR in 2009: 2.4
Average WAR over past 2 seasons: 2.2
I know Garland can be more hittable, his batting average against in 2009 was .25 points higher compared to Arroyo's, but its not like hes getting 'lucky' living off of some high LOB%; in fact, his LOB% has been below average the past few seasons while Arroyo's has been above average 3 out of the past 4 seasons.
Another thing worth mentioning is the defenses that both of these pitchers pitched in front of last year. Jarrod Washburn pitched to a 2.64 ERA with the Mariners last year; is it any coincidence that the Mariners were the best defensive team in baseball?
Arroyo, CIN, team UZR: 52.6, ranked 3rd best in baseball.
Garland, ARZ, team UZR: 21.6, ranked 9th best in baseball.
The defense analysis is really for the non-sabermetric people who only look at ERA (and dare I say, wins-loss records). Arroyo had a 3.84 ERA, Garland had a 4.01 ERA; do you think the difference in LOB% and the stronger defense Arroyo pitched in front of has anything to do with it? I certainly believe it does, though the ERA differential isn't really much anyway.
I'm not trying to discourage Arroyo in this article or anything of that sort, I think hes a very quality starting pitcher. But why go out and trade for him and pay him $15M [in all likelihood], when you can just sign Jon Garland for about half that price for likely 1 year and get essentially the same kind of production? As a Mets fan, while I do prefer to go with a higher upside starter than Jon Garland, I can only pray Omar Minaya doesn't fall into the Arroyo-love trap.
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IF you do trade for Bronson, trade for him in July...
The guy’s 1H/2H splits are crazy. Last three seasons:
1H – 56 GS, 328 IP, 384 H, 49 HR, 227 K, 120 BB, 5.38 ERA, .295 opp. BA
2H – 45 GS, 303 IP, 281 H, 39 HR, 219 K, 76 BB, 3.06 ERA, .246 opp. BA
My theory: The arm action Bronson needs to create his “sink” takes a few months to develop, and he spends the first few months of every season loosing his arm up for the real Bronson Arroyo. If you could take 2H Bronson and turn him into a full-season Bronson, then you’d have a great pitcher.
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by Uncle Charlie on Jan 14, 2010 2:04 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Here is the vertical spin deflection (movement) on Bronson's pitches last year by data

You might just have a point there.
by vivaelpujols on Jan 14, 2010 3:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
2008?
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by Sky Kalkman on Jan 14, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am actually pretty sure I'm going to look at this further now
Thanks a lot Uncle!
by vivaelpujols on Jan 14, 2010 5:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Great article. Arroyo is always one of those guys payed for the upside. I would like to see a comparison between the whole white sox staff in 2004-2005. they are all the garland type: won’t blow you away, but good quality starts.
by bross09 on Jan 14, 2010 6:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
the type of guys that you can underpay for.
by bross09 on Jan 14, 2010 6:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Reds fan here...
…and I couldn’t agree with your assertions more, even when putting on my Mets/Angels/Brewers hat for inspection.
Harang would be a much better acquisition, I think. He’s been banged up the last 2 years, but it hasn’t been structural damage that’s affected velocity or arm-motion, and I can’t exactly call apendecitis a “pattern for future injury.” His Reds’ brethren have failed to both hit-for and defend-for him through 08-09, but he’s been essentially the same pitcher as his back to back 16 win seasons.
The same teams that need a starter “like” Arroyo surely could use a starter “like” Harang as well, meaning they’re likely to choose between them. Given their salaries, I bet the Reds’ trading partner would have an additional $3-5 million bargaining power for Harang for similar, if not better production.
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by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 14, 2010 10:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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