Is Jair Jurrjens worth more in a trade than Prince Fielder?
by backtocali on Sep 9, 2009 1:10 PM EDT
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An Atlanta Braves fan posted over at Brew Crew ball inquiring about Prince Fielder coming to the Braves for Jair Jurrjens. At first, though I like JJ, I did not think that it would be a fair trade for the Brewers. I initally thought that JJ would be a nice, key piece of a deal involving Fielder, but threw out Freddie Freeman and Tommy Hanson as well.
After a sleepless night (not because of the thought of this trade, but of a one month old child), I re-examind this idea and found some very interesting things:
Using Sky's TVC, Fielder comes up with a $28 million value approximately, using 5 and 5 WARs plus a half here and there. while Jurrjens, using 3 to 3.5 WAR for 4 years winds up at about $40 million! in value.
With the Brewers pitching less season and Fielder having an MVP type year while on a team that is currently 6 games under .500, lots of talk and discussion has been made of a possible Prince Fielder deal in the offseason to rebuild the team. The Brewers do not have any impact pitching in the pipeline right now, and there is not expected to be a lot of high quality pitching available in Free Agency this year, not that the Brewers could afford it even if they wanted to.
So, this having been said, and the numbers listed above for Jurrjens and Fielder, is the middle of the rotation type of starting pitcher worth more than one of the premier power hitters in the game? What will the Brewers expect in return, what could they expect, and will they be happy when all is said and done?
My thought is that the problem with the Brewers getting fair value for Fielder is that his money is going to be the problem in that situation. He is due abour $11 million next year, and could break the bank somewhere near what Ryan Howard did in his last year of arbitration.
I personally think there are only about 5 or 6 teams out there that might be willing to take a flyer on Fielder in his last two arb years (Red Sox, Tigers, Orioles, White Sox, Angels, Mariners, Braves, Dodgers, Giants) and only about half of those teams would have what it takes in young or prospect talent to make it worth the Brewers while.
What do you think? What would it take to land Fielder, and improve and satisfy the Milwaukee Brewers? (The counter offer, after researching, that I made to the Braves fan was Fielder for Freddie Freeman, Cole Rohrbough, Randall Delgado, and Kris Medlin).
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is the middle of the rotation type of starting pitcher worth more than one of the premier power hitters in the game?
No, but a 3 to 3.5 WAR pitcher isn’t what most people would call “a middle of the rotation pitcher”. Not to mention the years and price for each of them.
by lookatthosetwins on Sep 9, 2009 4:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
His Stuff
Is what I would consider middle of the rotation.
He has nice results, but he doesnt have a blazing fastball or monster curve/slider…that along with a changeup is what most GM’s would consider a front of the rotation type of guy.
Not quite a comparison, but there was a time that a guy like Chris Capuano had results that would categorize him as front end of the rotation, but his stuff was never ace or #2 worthy, imo.
by backtocali on Sep 9, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're overvaluing the radar gun.
Considering the positionless power hitters on the Brewers, along with their mediocre rotation and their middling prospects for the remainder of Prince’s tenure, I think they would have to accept a trade like this if it were offered. Prince is a 5 WAR hitter, but his salary is likely to be over $10M per season over the next two years. On the other hand, JJ is a pitcher who succeeds without lighting up the gun, probably resulting in a lower arbitration salary. He’s controlled for longer and will be cheaper over that time, and his surplus value will eclipse Prince’s as the gap between their salaries continues to widen.
The sustainability of JJ’s results is the main concern, as his ERA is substantially lower than his luck-independent measures. Even if his ERA regresses into the 4.00 range, however, he will still be a 3.0+ WAR player, comparable to James Shields (another FB/CH pitcher with and even worse fastball).
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Sep 10, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course, I'm not sure this is factored into WAR:
JJ probably couldn’t pull this off.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Sep 10, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol
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by The_Fan on Sep 14, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He does well with what he has
As well as a plus change up. That screams middle of the rotation.
He doesnt have a dominating slider or fastball but he is very effective with both pitches, this is why he is a 3 WAR player. But even so, with those results, he is a #3 type guy.
I like what he does, but hes not the type of guy you want leading your rotation. And when it came to a Fielder deal, I think the Brewers want a potential #1 or #2 in prospects, not just a very good #3 by himself.
I agree about the salary issues will be the thing that hurts any trade most. They may wind up not dealing him at all, hoping to get lucky, and just take the draft picks. The Brewers kind of have a history of doing that sort of thing.
by backtocali on Sep 10, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure what you're getting at.
Jair Jurrjens would be the best pitcher on the Milwaukee staff. Now, their staff sucks, but that’s beside the point. He gets results, and if they’re sustainable, how is he not good enough to head a rotation? Of course you’d rather have Tim Lincecum, but Prince Fielder is not worth that much (he’s not even worth Jair Jurrjens). If JJ produces more value than Fielder for less money, why would you not make that trade?
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Sep 11, 2009 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"If"
I don’t think many people would agree with your evaluations.
by ol Pete on Sep 12, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If those many people were to provide some sort of evidence,
as to why JJ isn’t worth more than Prince, instead of simply reacting like homers to someone who is pointing out an obvious flaw in their team, then perhaps I’d deign to argue with them. Instead, those many people have deemed to let a single person reply with a one liner of no substance. So, as the original author said,
Using Sky’s TVC, Fielder comes up with a $28 million value approximately, using 5 and 5 WARs plus a half here and there. while Jurrjens, using 3 to 3.5 WAR for 4 years winds up at about $40 million! in value.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Sep 13, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're a giant Cardinals homer
Having bad evidence doesn’t sway a verdict. TVC, WAR and your hatred for all things Brewers doesn’t mean much.
by ol Pete on Sep 15, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're going to need to back up your opinions, please.
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by Sky Kalkman on Sep 15, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can search on his posts
and find the same stuff
by ol Pete on Sep 15, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we search
will we also find you again not backing up your opinions?
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by t ball on Sep 28, 2009 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
40>28
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Sep 15, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wallace, Mortenson, others>>>>>Holliday
at least using your reasoning
by ol Pete on Sep 15, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve said as much on several occasions.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Sep 15, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wallace alone
was an overpayment for Holliday.
MH was a 2 month rental and the Cards gave up a top 50 prospect and 2 B level pitching prospects for him.
If I remember correctly I had figured that Holliday was worth about $5-8 million in a trade. The Cards way overpaid.
by backtocali on Sep 15, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do you hate the brewers and love the cardinals so much?
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Sep 15, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
He’s mixing his arguments. He’s saying that I hate the Brewers and that you love the Cardinals, to the point that you cant make a rational argument because youre a homer.
This guy is a moderator from Brew Crew Ball who was banned, and when he wants to go on game threads for the Brewers, has to go on the opposing teams blog.
I am from Milwaukee, but am not a fan of the Brewers. I live in Milwaukee and am quite critical of how the organization has been run. In the opinions of some, my realistic view is percieved as hatred.
by backtocali on Sep 15, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is really not about hate or love, however.
The simple, objective fact is that JJ is worth more than prince, and to the Brewers it is skewed even more by the fact that they can replace 1B pretty easily (Braun isn’t good at the OF), while they are running out the worst SP in baseball this season (Braden Looper for negative 0.5 WAR). In addition, they’re a small market team who would be better served by spending that money on undervalued assets.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Sep 16, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know that
You know that, others posting on the thread know that, people all around SB Nation know that…
But there is going to be a group of fans, no matter what team they are for, that cant see things objectively.
I love the main moderator over at Brew Crew Ball, he does a tremedous job in providing useful information on the site, but they have a decent sized group of posters (as all boards do) that are blind to objectivity, and that blindness results in them referring to anyone who disagrees as a “hater”. (They have a few other moderators over there that are very similar to Ol Pete).
I was actually quite shocked to learn that JJ is more valuable than Prince. I think if he is dealt a 1B will have to be part of the deal. If they went towards the Braves, a pitcher or 2 and Freedie Freeman would be a nice return I think.
by backtocali on Sep 16, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure why the braves would want to trade for prince-
it seems more likely that he goes to Boston or some other AL team.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Sep 16, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because if they want to win a ring
then they need offense to go with this pitching.
Problem is that they need to trade Lowe for a bat, keep Vazquez, and convince Hudson to exercise his option, and use Kawakami as swingman / first up. Or if they can get a decent LF fielder for Kawakami (2 years, 7.5 per), move him. Please, good, not Eric Byrnes…
by nevin on Sep 28, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They'd be better off getting Laroche back-
seems like he’ll sign below market.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Sep 28, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jurrjens is more valuable than Prince if he puts up the numbers you've projected him for
But there’s much more variance in pitcher skill and health than in position players. And you can’t just compare WAR over years cumulatively, 6 WAR for 2 years is different than 4 WAR for 4 years.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
by Jordan M on Sep 21, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The matt cain for prince fielder rumor has been floating around basically forever and just won’t go away. seeing this convinces me that it’s an even worse idea than i thought it was before.
"Snow woulda had it!!!"
Has decided to put all his "In this thing" energy to being in the Shark Tank and the Big House.
by beat_la_25 on Sep 23, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think its more mis-representing the radar gun
Jurrjens throws harder than I think you’re giving him credit. Sits 92 – 94 and have seen a (stadium, so untrustworthy) gun show 96, he’s got a good hard low slider, movement on both the fastball and changeup. His groundball percentage was 10th best in baseball as a 22 year old starter in ‘08 (51.5%). Its dropped to a more pedestrian 42.5% this year, but that’s been accompanied by a 3.5% drop in line drive percentage, a 2:1 K/BB rate, and his HR/Flyball rate dropped from 7.9% in 2008 (11th best in baseball) to 6.8% (7th best) this year. He also dropped his infield fly rate in ’09 by a good bit.
So: He’s not an ace, and K rate would make it seem he won’t be one. But he throws harder than I think most people attribute; he has lots of movement, has an above average walk rate, is athletic and intelligent (usually lead to skill growth and/or maintenance), and shows a consistent and improving ability to keep the ball in the park (the drop in LD rate and IF Fly rate, and GD rate, means more balls in play are being recorded as OF flys. He’s given up 3 more HRs this year, 14 in 200 IPs vs. 11 in 188 from ‘08, both pretty solid. So the big drop in HR/Fly just goes to show that the rate is diluted by a larger denominator (more OF fly balls). So he’s either inducing weak ones, which would be consistent with the rest of the skills, casual observation, and data, or getting very, very lucky. Probably just “pretty lucky”, coupled with “good” and “improving”.
I don’t think its wrong to say he’s a middle of the rotation guy, but a pretty darn good one. Anybody that can bring someone like that as their #3 probably has a shot, and he’d be a reasonable #2 for the Brewers. Personally, I think he’ll be better over the next three years than will Matt Cain (though Cain at least has the potential to be more).
This was fun…
-Nevin
by nevin on Sep 28, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kyle Farnsworth is a radar gun darling.
Anyone care to swap Farnsworth for Jurrjens? Pitchers have skills that are not directly tied to their MPH (K/BB, control, batted ball percentages), and it’s really a tired and useless argument to point to the radar gun to discredit a pitcher’s ability to pitch. He’s among the top 25 starters in the game, period. He’s under control longer and for cheaper than Prince.
"Of course Kolby Rasmus was going deep! That’s what Kolby Rasmus does! You don’t give Kolby Rasmus second chances!" -Kolby Rasmus
by hazel on Sep 28, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont think
Neither I, or Nevin, are saying that Jurrjens does not have great ability or is not a good pitcher. Its just that when a GM is assembling a staff, certain attributes are assigned to certain spots in a rotation.
An Ace, as well as a #2 starter is usually a guy who has plus command, plus velocity, and a plus breaking pitch, and to top it off they have a change up that is at least above average.
Jurrjens has an above average change up and average FB and SL. He gets great results with the way that he pitches, but he is still a middle of the rotation type of starter. It doesnt mean that he is a worse pitcher than guys who have #1 or #2 type stuff but dont deliver.
I actually believe that JJ is a top 10 pitcher in the NL this year, but is he the best pitcher, stuff wise on that Braves staff? He might not even be 3rd. He would be the #2 on the Brewers, but the Brewers are a bottom half team this year. Look at any playoff contending team this year and compare JJ with what those teams have and in most cases he would be their 3 starter. And as Nevin says, the would be a very good one. And thats not bad at all.
by backtocali on Sep 29, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just be aware that what you're saying can easily be misinterpreted.
Jurrjens might have less than stellar “stuff”, but his other abilities (say, control and sequencing) make him better than his stuff indicates alone. He might have #3 stuff, but that whole package is more important, meaning he’s a #2 overall. And he’s better than a guy with #2 stuff who’s a #3 overall.
Of course, I hate the 1/2/3/4/5 starter classifications because of all the misunderstandings it motivates.
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by Sky Kalkman on Sep 29, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any way to track down
A list of historical guys who were Ace material based on results but had less than stellar “stuff”?
Greg Maddux and Warren Spahn immediately come to mind. Add Glavine to that list.
Ted Lilly is another guy who has average fastball, plus curve ball and nothing else above average, on most staffs, hes a #3 starter, but has great results.
I think when youre assembling a rotation, guys like Jurrjens, or Lilly are great pieces to have, but they just arent going to be your aces. If they are your #3 starters, youre going to be in for a successful season.
by backtocali on Sep 29, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can use the B-Ref PI tool or Baseball Databank database to find pitchers who meet a certain ERA threshold.
Then decide manually which ones didn’t have “great stuff”.
But I guess what I’m missing is why it matters if a guy is great stuff/bad control or meh stuff/good control if he’s a a 3.50 ERA pitcher? Does he help his team the same either way?
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by Sky Kalkman on Sep 29, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It doesnt
Its just one of those things.
And thats about the best I can do for an explanation.
Put him on the Yankees, Red Sox, Tigers, Phillies even his own team, and he is not the ace. He puts up great numbers, does it matter where he is in the rotation? No.
by backtocali on Sep 29, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Off topic a little
Given that both have the same value today (i.e. a 3.50 ERA is a 3.50 ERA) is one side of that coin more apt to show more improvement (have a better “learning” curve than the other for young pitchers) than the other. Do pitcher’s with the great stuff bad control make “the leap” more often than the good control guys? Similar question can be applied to aging curves. Intuitively you’d think the control guys age better, but the stuff guys might be more likely to make “the leap”. Maybe I’ll put some research hours into this if I can find some free time laying aorund.
by stevesommer05 on Sep 29, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good question.
Let me know how you measure “stuff”.
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by Sky Kalkman on Sep 29, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also a good question...
I was thinking two ways. One would be results based… K-rates, GB rates, whiff rates etc. The other could be Pitch F/X based. Lumping guys together based on the physical description of stuff (a project I’ve been thinking about doing anyway).
by stevesommer05 on Sep 29, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd love to see the second method.
Not sure how you’d separate “stuff” from overall skill using K, GB, etc. Unless there are specific peripherals related to stuff and others related to uh, the other stuff.
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by Sky Kalkman on Sep 29, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
Only delineation of stuff vs control that comes to mind is if there are pitchers with location independent whiff rates/gb rates
by stevesommer05 on Sep 29, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, what's your argument exactly?
JJ is good, but he isn’t among the league’s hardest throwers and can’t be an ace, therefore what? If he’s replacing Braden Looper (not an ace- not even a #5 at this rate), and his surplus value is greater than Prince Fielder over the remainder of their cost controlled years, doesn’t that still mean he’s worth more than Prince?
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by hazel on Sep 29, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Thats the point of the post. He puts up great numbers, and if he continues to do so, he is worth more than Fielder in a trade.
He doesnt have big time stuff, he gets great results, but as mentioned in my post above, you put him on a playoff contending team, and he is not the best pitcher on that team, in most cases he is a #3, a middle of the rotation guy.
by backtocali on Sep 29, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Put Fielder on a playoff team and he's not the best position player on that team.
He’s probably not a top three guy.
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by Sky Kalkman on Sep 29, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure but
Was that sarcasm?
Kind of goes along with the argument about putting 9 Albert Pujols’ on the field vs a standard team with a guy at each position who plays that position well defensively at defensive minded positions, and puts up big numbers for offensive minded positions.
Oddly enough this year, despite his MVP credentials (not taking into consideration the Brewers are under .500 and not a playoff caliber team (a discussion weve had before here)), but Fielder is maybe only the 4th best 1B in the NL this year WAR -wise.
I guess my point in this particular argument is that when you build a team, certain players fall into certain slots, Fielder is a very good 1B offensively, and adds value to his team. He adds wins, but you put him at 3b, ala Ryan Braun 2007 and that WAR decreases his impact. Likewise, Jurrjens is going to fall into that #3 starting pitcher slot.
by backtocali on Sep 29, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was being serious.
Also, wasn’t treating Fielder like a 6 WAR fielder, like he’s been this year if the league-average fielding at 1B is for real. His projection will be more like a 4.0 WAR player (4.5 average of last three years with a bit of regression).
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by Sky Kalkman on Sep 29, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In general
I don’t like the chancse of a pitcher staying consistent for multiple years , so no, because the chancse of FIelder remaining as a 5 WAR ish hitter for the next 3 year is very good, but the chances of JJ remaining as a 3-3.5 WAR pitcher isn’t very high for one reason or another (mostly injury)
by RollingWave on Sep 9, 2009 9:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How very true
When you are predicting the future you have to discount both those WAR rates to the injury rates of pitchers and first basemen. And as JJ is a non flamethrower, does he have less injury risk?
by willkoky on Sep 16, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think its an even trade
because it would weaken the offense, but greatly improve the rotation, it would be a good trade to see go down
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by The_Fan on Sep 14, 2009 10:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Chicks dig the long ball
Prince puts people in the seats. That’s got to be a factor in your $ argument. That extra $ can be used to buy more WAR.
Also, I’d take a rotation of 3,3,3,3,3 over a rotation of 1,2,3,4,5. 3’s wild will win the smae amount of games, cost less, and probably be less subject to injury.
by willkoky on Sep 16, 2009 12:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Have you seen any studies about HRs affecting attendance?
Wins definitely do, as do playoff appearances.
As for the rotations, there’s the playoffs to consider, and with a 1,2,3,4,5 you can throw a bunch of 5s against the wall and probably find one that sticks as a 3/4. I agree with your point about not giving the money that a FA would demand.
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by Sky Kalkman on Sep 16, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Freddie Freeman, Cole Rohrbough, Randall Delgado, and Kris Medlin for Prince? The Braves would do that in a heartbeat most likely though I think they’d try to switch Medlen out for a different prospect or two (zeke spruill +1?) at first. Putting Prince into the middle of the braves lineup and adding Heyward would give them a very good lineup to go with their excellent starting pitching and they’d have a few million to assemble a decent bullpen. The first half upgrades of Heyward vs Francoeur and Prince vs Kotchman would add multiple wins to this team which is already very close to playoff contention (times run out though)
by McCann's the Man on Sep 20, 2009 11:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
Those are all good players, I’ve seen all of them play in person, and given the price tag that’s going to come with Prince, I think of them would have to come off the table. Preferrably Delgado or Medlin (who I think could close in a year, maybe two).
Delgado’s pretty nasty, and getting better.
Sat with the scouts at a Rome Braves game in June where he was coming in 96 – 98 on their guns, and backdooring guys with breaking stuff. Really gross, and if he can get consistent with it, could turn out like Wainwright.
by nevin on Sep 28, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Congrats to backtocali
Rob Neyer linked this article in his Monday Mendozas.
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by Jeff Zimmerman (TucsonRoyal) on Sep 28, 2009 11:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow
I thought I was just out here shouting into nothingness.
What is the background of his piece? Is this a “interesting things found online” or something where he mocks ideas? (had to wonder with “Mendoza” in the title of his column).
Kind of cool. Wait until my HS English teacher hears about this.
by backtocali on Sep 28, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a daily links article, like most blogs have.
And it’s worthy of praise. Neyer freaking rocks.
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by Justin Bopp on Sep 28, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hah, that's awesome.
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by hazel on Sep 28, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
..and I f*ckin love you for that!" :: oops ::
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by Justin Bopp on Sep 28, 2009 1:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Freeman, Rohrbrough, Delgado and Medlen? rofl. No way in hell would the Braves EVER consider anything NEAR that, only guy they’d consider that for is Pujols. Not even kidding.
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