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The Two Sides of Adam Dunn: Graph of the Day

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’"You're not going to succeed if you don't have the talent," Reds general manager Jim Bowden said. ’"The ones with the makeup and the character are the ones who take it to the next level. I don't think Adam Dunn needs any nurturing. You just let him go."...

... Dunn is not frightened by Griffey's recent experiences in the spotlight. Neither is he the type to change his persona to fit fame. ’"I'm not going to change," he said. ’"I'm a pretty loud guy, a pretty outspoken guy."

        Example: "Aaron (Boone) would be a great wife if he were a woman."

From the Cincinnati Enquirer, February 26, 2002

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It's weird to remember, but Adam Dunn was once highly prized as a prospect as much for his athleticism as his perhaps patient to a fault batting eye and prodigious power. It's a world away from when the Mariners' insistence of his inclusion in the Ken Griffey Jr. trade almost sunk that deal. But not necessarily in a bad way.

Considering their eventual haul in that trade: Brett Tomko, Mike Cameron, Antonio Perez and Jake Meyer, maybe Seattle should have stuck to their guns. But the 235 pound University of Texas backup quarterback became perhaps the most polarizing player in baseball ... and by almost nothing of his own doing. No firecrackers or water bottles thrown into the stands, no notable tirades, no frustrating nagging injuries, no media meltdowns.

Just a frustratingly patient (for a certain baseball element) approach that emphasized walks over singles, and downplayed the negative impact of strikeouts, now a common skillset (as is noted by Mark Reynolds and Jack Cust owning the league records for strikeouts in a season. Of course Reynolds broke Ryan Howard's record that had stood for a whopping 2 years, then broke his own record the very next year.)

But 235 pounds (even a trim, streamlined one, as he was) is relatively heavy for a baseball player. Now at over 300 (as constant rumors, as well as basic evalutation by the naked eye have put him), he's still a pretty good athlete - if in the Nationals are planning on fielding a scrimmage football team for the fall. His top speed still grades out at about league average (it was once well above it in his salad days). But that pesky law of inertia is a fickle one, and with that size the acceleration and change of direction is gone, far and away the more important baseball skills. His tracking fly balls down in the outfield is like chasing an automobile with a freight train: raw mph doesn't really describe why it can't work.


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 The total UZR chart above actually has Adam Dunn split between two positions: generalized OF (mostly RF, some LF) and a not insignicant amount of time at 1B. The thing is, unlike his body type comparables (say, Ryan Howard and Prince Fielder), Adam Dunn can't hide his failings at the cold corner. Whatever advantage he has for reaching to balls above his head (a pretty low percentage play anyway) are absolutely obliterated by his inability to scoop balls in the dirt, either from throws or from ground balls. He's so completely top heavy that he has an inherent disadvantage to those born with the virtue of just being closer to the ground. This is a pretty definite trend, he has roughly the same power off the bat as when he was 23, only with 60-70 more pounds packed on, his defense has gone from pretty bad to awful to absolutely unacceptable. But is this his failing? He's still a superstar, just playing out of position because he no longer has one. There is, however, a rule change in the American League from 1973 that I'd like to make J.P. Ricciardi aware of.

It wasn't but two offseasons ago that I thought Dunn would make an excellent replacement for Manny Ramirez in Boston considering the eventual probably decline of David Ortiz and the much friendlier dimensions of LF in Boston (one it seems he might have been able to handle as capably as Jason Bay has, at the same age and a little less price). There will be a VOC graph tomorrow about the Nationals, and since I dedicated about a thousand words to him here, I'm going to make that analysis completely Donkey-free. However, pay attention to where he stands ... and let's start a letter writing campaign to see if we can find the Nationals an American League trading partner. For what the Royals gave up for Yuniesky Betancourt*, could they have landed an Adam Dunn to replace the similarly defensively challenged Mike Jacobs?

*Also wanted to point out in the UZR chart above that of the players listed, only Betancourt was acquired primarily for his defense. I think I can let that fact stand on it's own.

This is an unfortunate turning point for Adam Dunn - neither the traditional nor the statistically-leaned are particularly on his side at this point, and it's possible his future is now railroaded to obscurity. But I'm pretty sure there'll be a special place in statistical history for Adam Dunn ... and his 50% of Mike Schmidt style skill set.

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Regarding that second graph:

Ouch.

(Is that total defense or just runs relative to position?)

by Sky Kalkman on Sep 29, 2009 6:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It's just relative to position.

Dunn’s at -45 runs on defense overall compared to the average defender at the average position. (How’s that for theoretical?)

by Sky Kalkman on Sep 30, 2009 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sample size

In Dunn’s defense (heh), can we at least acknowledge that there’s a lot of uncertainty on one year of fielding data? No one will argue that he’s anything but an awful fielder, but it’s very possible that this year’s UZR totals are missing low on him. Maybe he’s “only” costing his team 20 or 25 runs in the field, for example. :)

Fan Scouting Reports aren’t exactly glowing, of course…
-j

by JinAZ on Sep 30, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Totally agree.

Just a pet peeve of mine when run relative to position are listed for players of multiple positions with position adjustments.

by Sky Kalkman on Sep 30, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

righto

I was totally with you on that. 10 runs below average in CF is not the same as 10 runs below average in LF.
-j

by JinAZ on Sep 30, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought it was great!

I mean, as a Mariners fan, I can attest to the defensive wizard that is Betancourt! He routinely turns outs into hits for teams. Who wouldn’t want that!

by Wilder. on Sep 29, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Moore is jousting for higher draft positions.

Betancourt was a good deal in that respect, right?

by Trickman on Oct 1, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And, I would like to show JP something

Vernon Wells: -18

"I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it" ~ Mae West

by Blicks on Sep 29, 2009 8:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Here’s whats most striking about Dunn: Let’s say he’s a .400 wOBA player and league average is .330 (I think it’s .329 this year and it was .328 last year).

Over 700 PA’s that is 60 runs above average. If we put him at DH, the positional adjustment for that is 17.5 runs correct? That would then put him at +42.5. Add in 20 for replacement and you get 63 runs above replacement. Give him 85% playing time - 600 PA’s worth — and that puts him at 54 runs above replacement — or a 5.5 win DH.

Am I way off or something? He seems like someone who’s value would only go up — and substantially so — if he was a full time DH. Add in that full time DH’s get a little less positional adjustment for being a full time player (in terms of PA’s) and he’d look even better.

Problem is he doesn’t want to DH, correct? Isn’t that why Tampa went with Pat Burrell and not Dunn?

by Mike Rogers on Sep 30, 2009 12:27 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I have no idea how the strike code got thrown in there and struck out part of my post. Adam Dunn must be lurking and he is not happy!

by Mike Rogers on Sep 30, 2009 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"What we do in life, echoes in eternity!"

by Justin Bopp on Sep 30, 2009 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nope, you’re spot on. Remember to adjust for leaving the senior circuit, however. Still, an extremely productive DH who could have helped a lot of teams. I think he was less concerned about being the DH than he was about leaving the National League.

by Walter Fulbright on Sep 30, 2009 3:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m always amazed at how gigantic he really is when I see him in pictures. I think that makes him one of my 10 favorite players in the major leagues.

by Mike Rogers on Sep 30, 2009 2:45 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe Jim Zorn could pick him up in a week to help the Redskin's offensive line.

Jeff Zimmerman - Protecting the world from RBI's and Wins from my mom's guest house.

by Jeff Zimmerman (TucsonRoyal) on Sep 30, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

To be fair to Dunn...

He’s changed his approach:

“Yeah, I was uh, yeah, I’ve been working on that a lot, trying to hit, you know, a lot more singles this year and, um, you know, just trying to slap the ball to left, and things like that, you know try to use my speed game more…HECK NO, MAN!! (LAUGHTER)…Nah, you know, I don’t know I think, it’s a lot of little mechanical things, and you kind of work on and continue to work on, and just kinda allowing me to uh, you know, do that, I’m not trying to hit singles.”

Heh. Or maybe not.

Anyhow, we were against signing Dunn over at Federal Baseball, figuring that we’d be paying $8M this year for half a win (Dunn at 1.2 WAR so far this season). Sadly, it’s awfully hard not to like Dunn once you see a few interviews with him (as above). In his defense, I’ll point out that so far this season, he’s managing an UZR/150 at 1B of “only” -19.8. That puts him at only 111th among people who’ve played first this year. That’s three places ahead of David Ortiz!

And while there may be some wishful thinking here, Dunn has seemed to be improving at first (at least from an anecdotal, fan’s eye perspective). Those first 5 or 10 games after we traded Nick Johnson, it seemed like everything hit on the ground went right by him. Now he actually catches stuff, and he seems to be a guy who’s going to make the effort to get better, his physical disadvantages notwithstanding. If he can turn into a -15 UZR/150 1B (career, he’s -16.1 UZR/150 at 1B), he’ll pick up 2 full wins. That’s maybe 3 or 4 WAR. Will that be worth $12M next year? Well, to paraphrase Rumsfeld, you take the field with the 1B you have, not the 1B you wish you had….

Friend of Dukes and Desmond #3

by Doghouse on Sep 30, 2009 9:53 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I love Dunn

Even recognizing his fielding limitations. The funny thing is that most people in the popular press focus on the strikeouts. But that’s never been the real issue. It’s the fielding, as this thread points out.

He is just an absolutely awesome guy. He’s funny as hell. I used to keep track of funny Reds quotes, and they turned out to all be from Dunn.
http://is.gd/3FsnM
He also did a lot of behind-the-scenes team building stuff with the Reds. He organized a rookie Karaoke night during spring training two springs ago, which was a big hit with the players. I think he’s a really good clubhouse guy. Maybe not so much in terms of “we gotta win” sort of leadership…but in terms of keeping guys loose and maintaining a sense of team, I don’t think you can get better. That doesn’t mean he’s a great player. But he’s a guy I’m always going to root for.
-j

by JinAZ on Sep 30, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you for this, we are all forever in your debt

4/10/06
“These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good.”
—Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker (Dayton Daily News)

The Rockies need some oldschool purple/white striped high socks. The team’s problem is it’s lack of swagger. I feel strongly that these socks will provide the swagger necessary to tap the potential that are the Rockies.

by Resolution on Sep 30, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

"What we do in life, echoes in eternity!"

by Justin Bopp on Sep 30, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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