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MLB 2009 Attendance Comparison I - National League - Graph of the Day

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The larger the gap (exposed green or exposed yellow) the bigger the difference between success and attendance.

In some things, we believe too strongly. In others, our belief isn't quite strong enough. Politics, Religion, Sex. Which game console is the better choice. Other banned talk around your mother-in-law's dinner table. We either follow blindly and are punished -- or we are cynically pessimistic and miss out on the benefits.

This too is true in baseball, though it's probably a safer bet for table-talk than discussing the intricacies of Health Care and whether or not we're going to kill Grandma off.* It's not as polarizing as said topics, certainly: there's a fairly direct correlation between team success and the attendance the team enjoys each season. (more after the jump)

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* I was thisclose to coming up with an intersecting line chart to show exactly when it's time to kill Grandma off, incorporating some choice quotes from Golden Girls and references to AquaNet hairspray, but I just never know with these things. Maybe another time.

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If you look at the 2009 total attendance chart above (click to enlarge), hopefully you'll notice the Dodgers, Yankees, and Philly at the top, and Oakland, Pittsburgh, Royals, and Washington near the bottom. That makes sense, right? Baseball fans are more likely to support a winning product.

It is with that assumption I approached the following questions: Which teams are fans supporting despite a lack of success? Which teams are playing decent ball (a chance to see your team win half the time) and are not being supported by its fans?

Today I will focus on the NL. Tomorrow, the AL. Here's what I found:

TEAM TOTAL AVG WINS ATT/WIN
LA Dodgers 3,294,461 45,756 84 39,220
Colorado 2,310,469 32,089 82 28,176
San Francisco 2,453,227 35,554 76 32,279
San Diego 1,705,158 24,016 63 27,066
Arizona 1,807,271 25,818 62 29,150
Philadelphia 3,015,744 44,349 80 37,697
Florida 1,253,885 17,660 75 16,718
Atlanta 1,996,672 29,362 74 26,982
NY Mets 2,812,862 39,067 63 44,649
Washington 1,610,363 22,681 49 32,865
St. Louis 2,859,533 40,850 84 34,042
Chicago Cubs 2,718,703 39,980 72 37,760
Houston 2,230,596 30,556 69 32,327
Milwaukee 2,682,679 37,784 67 40,040
Cincinnati 1,559,120 22,928 64 24,361
Pittsburgh 1,347,754 19,253 54 24,958

 

It's important to note that we still have a few weeks to go before the end of the season. However, the trends are clear. The good teams have the most attendance. The bad ones have the least. Where are the discrepancies?

That's why I established "Attendance Per Win" which is simply total attendance divided by number of wins. Hopefully better than Total Attendance or Average Attendance, this should show which fans are being rewarded with a winning club, which fans are shunning a winning team, and which fans are turning out despite a losing squad.*

*It's about here that I should justify using (Wins vs Attendance/Win) instead of (Wins vs Total Attendance) or (Wins vs Average Attendance). The benefit of using Attendance/Win instead of Total or Average is to establish the not-so-obvious non-correlation between wins and attendance. By using Total vs. Wins, we get two lines that are generally parallel, while Wins vs. Attendance/WIn draws out the differences at the top and bottom. One flaw in this method is that it could unfairly benefit teams with very few wins or unfairly punish teams with many wins.

This may or may not be overzealous 'metricity, so I'm open to criticism and ideas for method improvement. The results, however, bear out the current method showing giant swaths of green or orange sticking out where there should be very little.

By putting team wins up against attendance/win (and keeping the same scale for each division), large differences in the win-to-attendance ratio appear quite easily. The absolute best case in either the AL or NL studies is Florida. Barely 5 fewer wins than Philly as of this data's collection, but less than half the attendance. Now, this is nothing earth shattering, as it is widely recognized that Florida hates professional baseball as much as it loves not killing off Grandma. However, it is worth noting what a decent product they are producing, comparatively, than that of their competition and just how few people give a damn.

In the same breath, and in the same division, it's worth noting how well MetsFan has supported his or her team despite a disastrous and injury-plagued season. They're the 5th-best supported team in all of baseball and only have 63 wins heading into the third week of September! A more cynical owner (Glass) would spend less and bathe in the overage.

The last stumper of this NL side of the study is Colorado. What's going on up there? Is DenverFan so pissed off about Big Baby Cutler's departure that they've decided to stay home? WHAT ARE YOU GUYS DOING? Only three games back from first and currently leading the NL Wild Card Chase...and that's it? We all remember your bandwagon fans a few years ago in the Series, but this is sad. You have about 3 million people 8-9 hours to your east that would KILL for a .500 team right now, much less one in the chase.

Stay right here for the AL side of the story tomorrow, and let me know what you think. I'm expecting criticism of the Attendance/Win thing because I'm having doubts of its superiority over Total or Average despite my earlier defense. In fact, I'd prefer criticism so I could dismiss it out of hand. The way this came together was through many interruptions over the course of a couple days, so I may have (no, definitely) lost my train of thought. - Justin

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I'm sad about the Florida figure

I’m hoping the stadium makes a difference, but Washington’s hasn’t so far, so it doesn’t look promising. Of course, Washington’s been terrible, and the Marlins have not been for the most part.

by SFiercex4 on Sep 14, 2009 10:09 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wanna trade?

Kansas City will take the team and you can have our attendance!

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by Justin Bopp on Sep 14, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't go to Rox games because I'm in the UK, but...

“The last stumper of this NL side of the study is Colorado. What’s going on up there? Is DenverFan so pissed off about Big Baby Cutler’s departure that they’ve decided to stay home? WHAT ARE YOU GUYS DOING? Only three games back from first and currently leading the NL Wild Card Chase…and that’s it? We all remember your bandwagon fans a few years ago in the Series, but this is sad. You have about 3 million people 8-9 hours to your east that would KILL for a .500 team right now, much less one in the chase.”

You realise that fact that 3 million people are 8-9 hours away, and not in the middle of nowhere on the edge of a huge mountain range, may be a weeny indication why attendance figures aren’t what they might be?

by biondino on Sep 14, 2009 10:42 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

the teeniest of the weenies

The issue is that Denver isn’t a baseball town, it’s a football town. It’s a good sports town, sure, but it’s a football town regardless of any other franchise’s success.

The Rockies not having some massive winning history isn’t helping things, either. The Dodgers and Giants have OMG HISTORY to back them, and they’re baseball towns as well (debatable, is the Bay Area more baseball or more football?). If the Rockies can sustain any kind of success, we’ll see those numbers start to increase.

Winning baseball in Colorado will start to build an understanding and appreciation of the sport. It’s starting to as well, we just have to be patient.

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by Andrew Martin on Sep 14, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's kinda my point.

Colorado has winning baseball NOW and recently went to a World Series, however flukey, and they’re not really supported like a winning club. Compare them to any club with more than 80 wins this season and they have half a million fewer fans. That’s shocking!

Point taken about it not being a baseball town, though. It’s hard to disagree with the amazing success of having two hall of fame NFL players. ;)

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by Justin Bopp on Sep 14, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't even get me started on the Football HOF...

But yeah, the beginning of the season was pretty rough in Colorado, meaning that the attendance was pretty low throughout the first half or so of the season.

Once people started realizing that the Rockies were pretty good, they’ve come out to the ballpark more (32k per game is nothing to sneeze at), the most recent series against the Reds notwithstanding. Against the Giants and Dodgers Coors was pretty packed.

And guess what, the Rockies are 11th in attendance despite being in the 19th or so ranked media market. Again, above average. I guess my point is that the Rockies are outperforming their market with their attendance.

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by Jeff Aberle on Sep 14, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Since the All-Star Break the Rockies are at 34,944 per game (30 games)...

and perhaps those are actual tickets sold (every team does it differently).

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by Jeff Aberle on Sep 14, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is the kinda stuff I love to read after a post. Good information.

Puts a little perspective on the issue, even if it only confirms that ColoradoFan is a fair weather fan. Never too late for a bandwagon, I say!

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by Justin Bopp on Sep 14, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kansas City, which may not be on your maps, is a baseball town that

is about 8-9 hours to the east of Denver. They have a horrible team but the city supports them regardless. KCFan would KILL for a team of Colorado’s stature right now.

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by Justin Bopp on Sep 14, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Milwaukee and St. Louis are both in the upper echelon...

Just goes to show that good management can more than make up for a disadvantage in market size. All the execs using that as an excuse are just flat out lazy.

by cubsforever on Sep 14, 2009 12:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I do believe the people that complain about market size aren't truly worried about attendance,

but about payroll. Your latter point is correct, though, it IS a lazy excuse. The larger issue is that bigger markets can afford better management as well as a bigger payroll.

We always worried what would happen if a rich team got smart, and by smart I mean hiring Bill James. And now we have to deal with Boston that has the ability to out-manage and out-pay all but two or three teams in the league. This doesn’t look to be coming to a stop soon, even with NYY’s current run.

But I digress.

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by Justin Bopp on Sep 14, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Attendance and Wins

Looking for reasons why attendance may by higher in some cities – Would there be a difference in the results if you controlled for clubs with recently built stadiums or clubs with successful records in recent years?

by JW12144 on Sep 14, 2009 1:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This is a fun but complicated idea.

I’d definitely consider doing a study of Wins per Year vs. Attendance Per Year with an adjustment for new stadiums/renovations. That actually could be a useful stat to find.

To do so, I’d have to focus on one division at a time, though. Doing the whole league was cumbersome to begin with.

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by Justin Bopp on Sep 14, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here is a nice study on predicting attendance

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The significant factors are:
Number of All-Stars on Roster
Games Behind
Attendance in previous year
Whether or not it is the first year of the stadium
Whether or not it is the second year of the stadium

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by Jeff Zimmerman (TucsonRoyal) on Sep 15, 2009 2:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Winning (at least this year) ain't everything

While this is pretty neat, and even fascinating, attendance is driven by a huge number of factors. When I studied it in college, I found that the team’s performance from a year ago drives attendance at least as much, if not more so, than this year’s.
When you think about it, it really does makes sense. Season tickets are driven almost wholly from the previous season, and the first couple of months, you it is tough to know how good the team really is.
So the Rockies are a middling team last year, get off to a rotten start, and don’t start truly contending until July. Add it up, and attendance isn’t, and shouldn’t be great.
As to the Mets, they’ve been decent to good the last few years, have a new stadium, and are in the country’s largest market, so they have good attendance.

by Blacktiger250 on Sep 14, 2009 1:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Interesting. I have a quick question though. Is that attendance actual attendance or ticket sales? That could go a long way in explaining why the Mets “attendance” per win is so high, because they were expected to do very well/new stadium means lots of lots of season ticket sales. It might also explain why some teams that are doing well right now have lower attendance figures (though probably less so) because few people bought season tickets with the expectation that they could sell them for profit.

Compounding that fact, people wouldnt have jumped on the bandwagon, if you will, until about midway through the season when a team that was not expected to do well moves beyond the possibility of being a fluke.

This would make sense with Blacktiger250’s above comment that attendance is driven by performance from the year before. Season ticket sales and such are all bought before the season, and are probably a pretty substantial portion of “attendance” as calculated by ticket sales. Attendance for teams that are expected to be poor would lag behind the teams actual performance for a while.

Maybe a break down of attendance for the month of August (or any later month) would lead to a better understanding of the correlation between a teams success and attendance.

by Whack8888 on Sep 14, 2009 5:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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