Total MLB Complete Games This Century - Graph of the Day
Over the past decade, the average number of complete games has dropped from the 2000-2005 average of 199 to the 2006-2009 average of 130. Granted, 2009 still has several weeks left, but it's not likely to move this average or change the obvious trend: there are 35% fewer complete games over the past four years compared to the previous six.
What changed? (more after the jump)
I submit to you the following:
Certainly you remember Rany's Pitcher Abuse Points and the exposure of Dusty Baker as an arm-murdering psycho, right? That was published in 2004 (after an original study in 1998 and 1999), and if we take out the spike in 2005, one could argue that Mr. Jazayerli finally convinced managers to stop turning their pitcher's arms into sausage. But why would they suddenly accept that message after years of pitch count debate?
Perhaps there's another explanation? Anybody remember what happened in the spring of 2006?
Whichever reason, there has been a significant drop-off in complete games in just the past 5-6 years. The conclusions are simple: either pitchers can't go as far or managers won't let them. The implications are interesting, though, and just as simple: with fewer complete games, more pitchers per team are needed...or managers will have to find ways to extend their middle and long relievers.
Questions for Discussion
- Is this a significant-enough drop-off to impact pitching rosters at all?
- Can you find evidence that middle relief and closing talent has necessarily suffered since the decline in complete games began?
- What are the greater impacts? Does this lead to greater disparity between the have and have-nots?
- Assuming that any of the answers to the above lead to, "this could mean an issue that managers will have to contend with," what are some off-beat solutions?*
*Walter and I have had fleeting discussions over the past couple years about the wacky idea of an all-relief staff, or an only-starter staff (where the next starter would come in whenever needed), or splitting the game in half and have two "starters" per game. Useless, but fun to think about.
Side note -
This originally started as research on the Royals and Zack Greinke, attempting to discover how historic it was to almost lead the league in team CGs but be in the bottom 4-5 in terms of wins. Here's what I found:
1. Since 2000, only 9 teams out of 52 compiled a season with 9 or more Complete Games won fewer than 70 games.
| Year | Team | W |
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2000 |
Devil Rays | 69 |
| 2002 | Cubs | 67 |
| 2004 | Expos | 67 |
| 2001 | Tigers | 66 |
| 2000 | Cubs | 65 |
| 2001 | Orioles | 63 |
| 2002 | Royals | 62 |
| 2002 | Devil Rays | 55 |
| 2002 | Tigers | 55 |
Notice that the Rays, Tigers, and Cubs all appear twice. Also notice that all of these teams concluded their sad campaigns before 2005.
2. Despite the above, the average number of wins for every team with 9+ complete games is between 82-83.
Why is that weird? Because the Royals, in all their negative UZR and OBP-bleeding glory, have compiled 9 complete games mostly on the back of Zack Greinke, but have only mustered 54 wins (the first team since the list above to approach that level of sad sack ineptitude while having that many complete games).
With only three or four weeks to go, the Royals will be the first to do this in the new era.
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Justin, I don't think the "two starter" idea is all that useless
I’ve been meaning to tinker around with it in a baseball simulator game, but seasons would take way too long to do. The idea however seems very intriguing, especially since we know about how pitchers fair far worse in the later innings due to fatigue and hitters having seen them multiple times and gotten used to them.
by SFiercex4 on Sep 11, 2009 9:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The obvious problem being when an especially dominant starter is on fire.
See, Zack Greinke’s 15k start a few weeks ago, or Luke Hochevar’s 80-pitch complete game earlier this year.
Perhaps the two-starter system could actually be a 10 pitcher system (ranked in order of dominance and fatigue), where #10 would ‘start’ behind the second half of #1’s game, #9 would start behind the second half of #2’s game, etc.
The problems would mitigate themselves, with #1 probably going longer into the game on fewer pitches, allowing the least dominant starter the least amount of work. In the same vein, the #5 starter would be followed by the #6 starter, and both could probably pitch 4 innings comfortably without hitting the 110 pitch threshold.*
A lot of this is predicated on depth, of course, and goes back to the original point. More pitchers are needed to lessen the damage of the pitch count era to teams with fewer and weaker arms.
*This probably isn’t too far off from how some teams actually operate, but the operation of this will appear haphazard in any test because there’s no such thing as 100% consistency, unless you’re Renelvys Hernandez and you’re consistently bad. Throw in closers and aging MRs that can only go an inning, and the whole idea is messed up.
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by Justin Bopp on Sep 11, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with the 10 pitcher point
I’d venture to say that you can go with less, especially if you feel you have a guy like Greinke who can dominate most of his night’s out. Let’s say you trust two starters to be able to go long. You can have six guys take up the three remaining slots, one long reliever in case something goes wrong, two to three middle relief guys ho would be mostly specialists, and a closer (if that’s your thing). That would be thirteen pitchers, and the six guys don’t even have to be major league average starters, as we’re minimizing their innings and thus trying to maximize their efficiency. In addition, having this strategy takes the fear of taxing your bullpen away, because the pen would almost always work two innings.
Of course, you can also go the route you prescribed with different numbers of innings depending on the quality of the duo. I like the idea that some starters can just be starters and go into the seventh or so, while others at the bottom of the rotation may need more assistance. I haven’t done all the research, so I wouldn’t know, but I’m sure there’s been work on this. It’s definitely something to tinker with.
by SFiercex4 on Sep 11, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is fun.
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by Justin Bopp on Sep 11, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't there research done that showed that bullpen pitchers already don't get enough work?
That would support cutting from 12 to 11 pitchers rather than bumping up to 13.
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by hazel on Sep 11, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of a TON of pitches
I’m not going to go looking for who has thrown the most pitches this year and whatnot, but in Detroit, Justin Verlander has just been put out there like an indentured servant it seems.
In his thirty starts:
-He has thrown 100+ pitches 25 times.
-He has thrown 110-119 pitches 13 times.
-He has thrown 120+ pitches 7 times.
Edwin Jackson actually topped him with a 132-pitch outing May 21st against Texas, as well.
I don’t know if someone cares to do a comparison of any other starters, but this seemed pretty excessive to me. Zack Greinke, as a quick one, has topped 100+ numerous times as well, but only exceeded the 120 mark once, in his Sept. 5 start against the Angels.
by Bryan Everson (The Royalty of Roto) on Sep 11, 2009 3:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's the 120+ ones that get people scared.
I’m pretty sure Dayton Moore let Meche go 130+ a couple times this year.
Not related at all, he’s out for the season with a blown shoulder.
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by Justin Bopp on Sep 11, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only once for Meche
He hit 132 once, and reached 120 and 121 two other times. I was curious of that, too.
I don’t know how that correlates with how he probably shouldn’t have blatantly been pushed in coming back from the back spasms he was dealing with, but I’m sure knowing how the Royals have handled injuries like Michael Jackson handles children off a balcony it makes sense.
by Bryan Everson (The Royalty of Roto) on Sep 11, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
+1
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by Justin Bopp on Sep 11, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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