Is Casey McGehee a $40mm player?
I just love the Sky Kalkman Trade Value Calculator. I use it often to try and see what a team can get in a trade. For each of the past 4 seasons, living in Milwaukee, have speculated as to whom the Brewers should trade to make their team better. This was all theorhetical of course, until the TVC came along to help quantify things.
For reference, in 05 it was Geoff Jenkins, in 06 it was Bill Hall, in 07 it was Ben Sheets, and in 08 it was JJ Hardy. These years correspond to offseasons in which the trades (should) have been made by the Brewers.
Looking into 2009, my trade target to better the team is goiing to be Casey McGehee. He will be coming off of a career year in which he will almost accure 2 WAR, is very cheap making the league minimum, and will still have 5 years left until Free Agency. To top it off all of the production he will put up this year is on a part time basis. McGehee will have no where to play next year for the Brewers as top prospect Mat Gamel will man the hot corner and Rickie Weeks will have returned from a wrist injury. The Brewers could keep him as a bench player, but to get full value for him, and build for the future, this offseason will be the time to deal McGehee for the sake of the future.
In using Sky's TVC, and giving a generous 3, 3, 2.5, 2 and 2 value for his WAR the next 5 years, and slight increases in salary next year and the year after, followed by 40, 60, 80% for Arbitration years, and giving a $2.5 value for Type B Free Agent, the value for McGehee comes to about $40 million dollars.
This is astounding. I will just say right now that I do not believe that McGehee is worth this amount. There is a reason players become 27 year old rookies, and McGehee is no exception. McGehee murders fastballs but is very vunerable on off speed stuff. He plays a very good 3B defensively and there is some value there.
But, as we all know, MLB GM's see or want to believe things that we and other fans do not. And some make awful trades and give up the farm for peak years. Would there be a GM out there that would be willing to pay this type of price for Casey McGehee? I have noted on other shots around SB Nation that the Brewers will still need to trade JJ Hardy this offseason. If they were to couple McGehee and Hardy together, and the assumption that the former has this inflated value, could make quite a killing in prospects.
Using the TVC again, I estimate Hardy's value at approximately $16mm, given he probably is going to get an extra year of Arbitration eligibility, and that he still has a decent glove.
If you put these two players together in a package and send them to a team that is weak on the left side both offensively and defensively, the Brewers could definitely make a haul in prospects to bolster the future of the team.
I theorize that the Mariners, Tigers and Red Sox (the Cardinals would be a good fit as well, but the Brewers probably would not want to trade within the division) would be the kind of team that might want one or both of these players. And the Brewers would want pitching in return, and possibly a First Baseman for the future after Prince Fielder departs (and he will leave Milwaukee) in Free Agency.
Assuming $46mm in value (even if you cut this in half the Brewers could land a nice return) the Mariners could give up: Greg Halman, Philippe Aumont, Juan Ramirez and Michael Pineda. The Red Sox could offer Lars Anderson (they could then sign Fielder to a deal and not worry about losing a 1b/dh prospect), Michael Bowden and Kyle Weiland. And the Tigers could offer up quite a few mid level pitching prospects though none as highly rated as Bowden or Aumont. In each case filler players or guys already in the major leagues could make up the difference.
Is this rating too much for either McGehee and/or Hardy? What kind of return could the Brewers get in a deal involving these two players? Btw, the trade the Brewers SHOULD make before the 2011 season will be Prince Fielder. What does everyone think?
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I don’t think McGehee is going to have one full year of service time after this one so he should be under control for six more years, he also might be a super 2. Second I think there is some expected value (bust potential) missing from your WAR projections, like you said they are generous. Plus I’m also of the belief that $WAR over estimate average players in terms of worth. So no McGehee isn’t worth that much, especially with only a half season’s worth of data in the majors to work with
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by Trenchtown on Aug 24, 2009 10:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was pretty high
But even if you cut that in half he still has some value, actually very nice value, imo. Brewer fans would probably loathe trading him away after a year like this one, but there has to be someplace he can go and play full time, and package him with Hardy and the Brewers have themself a solid #2 or a couple of very nice prospects.
What do you think the Brewers could get for him on a sell high end of things?
by backtocali on Aug 24, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no ways the Cards are in for either...
… they’ve got Lugo/Ryan/Schumaker to man SS/2B, and all signs point to DeRosa re-signing. and despite trading Wallace, there’s some 3B depth in the system: Freese, Craig, and/or Mather could be serviceable if DeRosa walks. there’s no way the Cards would trade anything of substance for players that are (probably) worse than the options they already have even if they weren’t in the same division.
plus, like you and Trench said, no way McGehee is worth that much. and if he is then they’d probably be better off trading Weeks.
by kindred on Aug 25, 2009 12:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't assume for a second
that DeRosa’s going to resign. The team needs a 3B, to be sure, but to naturally assume that’ll be DeRosa’s a big leap.
by chuckb on Aug 25, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, I sort of hope we offer arb and he declines and goes to sign with the Mets.
He’s old and he just hasn’t been that good. Plus, $8M more to throw at Holliday.
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by hazel on Aug 25, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like DeRosa
He’s about a 3 WAR player, who would be nice on a 1 year deal. I would probably like to sign him for 1/5 than Holliday for 6/120.
Smoltz.
by vivaelpujols on Aug 26, 2009 4:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather have Pineiro back than Derosa.
Our minor league pitching probably isn’t good enough to fill two slots with league average production, but I think our minor leaguers can fill 3B adequately. Derosa is below average everywhere except the OF, and his offense appears to have peaked last season. He’s only been above 3 WAR once in his career.
I’d like to sign him if he was only for a year and $5M, and I think it would be insane to bring Holliday back as the longest-tenured and highest paid Cardinal by far. I think those numbers will look more like 2/16 and 5/85, respectively.
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by hazel on Aug 26, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This reminds me of the calculation of Nyjer Morgan's value from the Pirates firesale post.
It’s true that an average player, playing for free, can be worth a ton of money. I think you may have overestimated how much because of the potential that McGehee begins to look overexposed next season and goes the Francoeur/Duncan route. That said the argument is always, “This is crazy, it means McGehee is worth more than Roy Halladay (or whatever superstar)!” Great players are worth more, but they don’t play for the league minimum for long, so their surplus values are lower. It seems likely that WAR underestimates the value of playing time, but McGehee really has been very valuable to the Brewers.
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by hazel on Aug 25, 2009 10:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Mariners just picked up Bill Hall from the Brewers, who can play third base.
And as much as we wanted Hardy in Seattle, the dream died when we picked up Jack Wilson (there is talk about Zduriencik having discussed a 2+ year extension with him).
by Wilder. on Aug 27, 2009 1:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
GMs usually don't pick up a player, especially a young one, at peak value.
Nowhere in his track record does it suggest McGehee can maintain this performance. I’d find it a lot more likely that Hardy, Gamel or even Weeks or Fielder(least likely, probably) be traded because there’s some leverage for the opposing team. Even more likely than that, they just go with the best players and figure it out as they go along. I think a team would be willing to give a fair package for Hardy more than the others. McGehee’s greatest value is to the Brewers.
by Daniel Berlyn on Aug 28, 2009 3:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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