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Detroit Tigers Acquire Jarrod Washburn for Luke French, Mauricio Robles

The Mariners finally managed to unload Jarrod Washburn today.  Washburn is one of the feel-good stories of the year, with a 2.64 ERA and an 8-6 record to boot after 4 straight years with an ERA over 4.00 and 6 straight seasons with FIPs over 4.30.  His fastball is a little faster this year (back up to 2006 levels) and he's supposedly "perfected a 2-seamer" that is turning him in to the dominant pitcher that he's looked like so far.  

Of course, if there's anything that the basic tenets of sabermetrics tell us, it's that the feel-good story is probably not for real.  Washburn's FIP is actually up to 3.75, a mark he hasn't approached since 2002 with the Angels, when he had a 3.15 ERA.  One look at xFIP over at THT, however, will confirm that Washburn is indeed not for real.  xFIP, which adjusts home run rates, has Washburn as a 4.83 pitcher, due to his ridiculous 6.4% HR/FB rate.  tERA confirms this, and has Washburn at a slightly-below average 4.60.  ZiPS projects him at a 4.15 FIP going forward.

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Lucas French is a 23 year old ML ready lefty who throws in the 88-92 range.  His profile is very similar to that of another left handed major league pitcher - namely, Jarrod Washburn.   In limited time so far this year (roughly 30 innings), French has a 3.87 FIP, which, much like Washburn, will regress towards average as his 3.9% HR/FB trends towards average.  Much like Washburn, French doesn't strike a ton of guys out (roughly 6 K/9 in the majors so far, roughly 7 throughout his minor league career), but his decent control allows him to be a roughly average pitcher.  French is under team control for 6 more seasons, which is the key to this deal.  

Mauricio Robles is a 20 year old lefty who has risen to high-A this year.  Between both low-A and high-A this year, Robles has a 10.7 K/9 and a 4.3 BB/9.   Right now, whether or not he can stick as a starter is debatable, and depends on whether or not he can develop a change-up, but his high strikeout rates suggest he can be successful in some form.

Today, the Tigers truly acquired an average pitcher for another average pitcher and an interesting minor league chip.  Detroit and Dave Dombrowski were fooled by Washburn's high ERA.  With Washburn moving out of pitcher-friendly Safeco Field and losing the amazing defense of Langerhans, Gutierrez, and Ichiro in the outfield, expect that ERA to drop.  French has already had some success in the major leagues, and his profile suggests that he will bring the Mariners a lot of value over the next 6 years.

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I’m not as completely sour on the deal as Dave Cameron is over at Fangraphs, but as a Tigers fan I’m not exactly pleased. Washburn’s been getting more swings and misses this year than in his last couple, but risking offering him arbitration this winter after coming off what will be an improved season when he’s already made $10 mil this year is a big concern. I don’t want him next year for something like $12-15 and posting 4-5 starter numbers.

I don’t think Luke French is a world beater, but he’s a cheap, back of the rotation lefty that’s younger than the expensive, back of the rotation lefty we just acquired. Throwing in a high-upside/low-floor pitcher like Robles tips the deal in the M’s favor. Dave made it seem like a complete land-slide but I don’t think it is that bad.

by Mike Rogers on Jul 31, 2009 1:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh, also this line is exactly what frustrates me about the Tigers front office:

Today, the Tigers truly acquired an average pitcher for another average pitcher and an interesting minor league chip. Detroit and Dave Dombrowski were fooled by Washburn’s high ERA.

I feel like this happens too often with the Dave Dombrowski-run front office.

by Mike Rogers on Jul 31, 2009 1:47 PM EDT reply actions  

after this trade

is rick porcello the only"prospect" left in the organization. Seems like the tigers have dealt pretty much every prospect in your organization. Is there any other prospects after procello?

Carlos Guillen, the Latino Nick Punto

by The_Fan on Jul 31, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will answer this more extensively. I’m currently going to go participate in a Detroit Tigers Live Chat about the trade deadline. If anyone’s interested in the Tigers side of things, go to Bless You Boys for the chat.

by Mike Rogers on Jul 31, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope

Not to sound like a jerk I don’t care much for the tigers, for I am a sox fan

Carlos Guillen, the Latino Nick Punto

by The_Fan on Aug 1, 2009 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

After this trade

the AL central is going to be a tough race

Carlos Guillen, the Latino Nick Punto

by The_Fan on Jul 31, 2009 1:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Better acquisition for 2009:

Washburn or Peavy? Yeah, I realize Peavy’s not going to pitch, but he’s much cheaper…

by Sky Kalkman on Jul 31, 2009 4:54 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm still trying to figure out what the total package for Peavy was.

Any help?

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by Jack Moore on Jul 31, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Clayton Richard
Aaron Poreda
Adam Russell
Dexter Carter.

Richard will go to SD to be in the rotation, Poreda to Triple-A Portland to be in the rotation there and re-stretch out I guess. Russell will join him there only in the bullpen and DePodesta didn’t specify but I’d assume Carter will go to Low-A ball.

by Mike Rogers on Jul 31, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's a ridiculous haul

F*** Billy Beane... actually, I kinda like Holliday

by vivaelpujols on Jul 31, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

So, we settled for Jarrod Washburn and get trumped by a Jake Peavy acquisition for a package Detroit potentially could’ve matched? Cool, cool. At least we’ll get that Type-B compensation pick!

…You know, assuming Washburn doesn’t see the writing on the wall and accept arbitration and stick us with a deal of around $12-15 million…

by Mike Rogers on Jul 31, 2009 5:44 PM EDT reply actions  

I thought Peavy was basically done for the year?

Losing Poreda doesn’t help the White Sox chances this year.

by Sky Kalkman on Jul 31, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve heard mixed things. I’ve heard as soon as mid-August, but I think he’s done for the most part until late August at the earliest. Still, I’m not sure we upgraded out rotation. Even if the White Sox can pass us without Peavy, he’s a potential postseason arm.

by Mike Rogers on Jul 31, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

French looks utterly mediocre

but the good news for Seattle is that Robles-for-Washburn would have been an acceptable deal on its own. Getting the next Lenny DiNardo thrown in can’t possibly be a bad thing.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Jul 31, 2009 5:57 PM EDT reply actions  

According to MLB Trade Rumors, the Mariners were looking at these other deals for Washburn
  1. Joel Sherman of the New York Post reports that the Mariners told the Yankees they had to give up an Austin Jackson-type player for Jarrod Washburn, who was dealt to Detroit.
  2. The Brewers were told they’d have to surrender Manny Parra, Alcides Escobar or Mat Gamel for Washburn, Sherman reports.

Seems like they accepted a whole lot less from the Tigers.

by Dan Turkenkopf on Jul 31, 2009 9:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Seems like Jack Z had the Tigers as a back-up plan the entire time while hoping someone with a better farm system would bite.

by Mike Rogers on Aug 1, 2009 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Can you imagine if they got Escobar?

Lookout Landing would have have gone insane.

F*** Billy Beane... actually, I kinda like Holliday

by vivaelpujols on Aug 1, 2009 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would have committed suicide.

Right then and there.

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by Jack Moore on Aug 1, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

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