Is Adrian Beltre underrated...?

by erosen on Jun 26, 2009 10:16 AM EDT Comment 21 comments

My first WAR graph... so be gentle... :) I was reading something about Adrian Beltre recently and noticed that considering he's just 30, he seems to racking up a pretty decent WAR... Alot of that has to do with him starting young, but even his WAR/600 PA stacks up with better players than I think he is perceived as being.

Anyways, here is Beltre vs Delgado, Brock, Clemente and Juan-Gone, all through age 29 [all four were within 10% of Beltre's WAR/600 through age 29 and all of them accumulated atleast 4500 PAs through age 29]:

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Interesting mix of players there.

Beltre’s got the glove and decent power. Juan Gone is all offense. Delgado, too. Brock is all getting on base and moving over. Clemente has more of an all-around reputation.

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by Sky Kalkman on Jun 26, 2009 10:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I edited the post to shrink image.

Will be nice to see how he continues.

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by Jeff Zimmerman (TucsonRoyal) on Jun 26, 2009 11:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Nice

Pretty interesting. Now if he would only start helping my fantasy team. The bum.

by DustBag on Jun 26, 2009 2:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Yes

by acblue on Jun 26, 2009 6:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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Absolutely.

by BrianL on Jun 29, 2009 2:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Maybe I am being dense

but what do the two axes represent?

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by Seahawks124 on Jun 29, 2009 5:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Y is Wins Above Replacement, X is Season (in descending order of WAR)

by Dan Turkenkopf on Jun 29, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Beltre is underrated because defense is underrated

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by harendaman365 on Jun 30, 2009 11:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

except for backup catchers.

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by jessef on Jun 30, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

And that might just be "defense"

by Dan Turkenkopf on Jun 30, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

A couple more...

If Eddie Murray and Ozzie Smith are HoFers, is Barry Larkin?

If Gwynn is a HoFer and Alomar is a probable HoFer, then are Lofton and Walker HoFers too?

by erosen on Jul 1, 2009 4:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I think most people don't consider Lofton that great because he became a journeyman.

And the Coors Effect is going to hurt Walker’s chances. To me, both should be in. Larkin deserves to as well, it appears.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jul 1, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Lofton

Lofton and Alomar’s lines are practically identical, so wouldn’t you then have to argue that Alomar isn’t a HoFer either?

by erosen on Jul 1, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I wasn't arguing that either shouldn't be a Hall of Famer.

I said that the perception of Lofton is going to hurt his chances – I would absolutely vote for him if I had a say.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jul 1, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Also...

Since this is a park/league adjusted stat, Walker comes in at the level of Gwynn/Alomar after adjusting for Coors.

by erosen on Jul 1, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes, I understand that.

Unfortunately, the voters don’t look at WAR when they decide who to vote for. I said that Walker is going to have a harder time than he should because the voters are going to put too much weight on the Coors Effect.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jul 1, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs