Quiz Question: When is a 700 OPS better than a 800 OPS?

by Jeff Zimmerman (TucsonRoyal) on Jun 23, 2009 6:35 PM EDT Comment 17 comments

I was catching up on the issues of By the Numbers and read the following quote in the the November 2008 issue:

"An OPS of .800 will always generate more runs than an OPS of .700, given the same amount of playing time."

I know the above statement is not always true, but do you? I want to give out a prize and decided that I the first person to prove that it is false, using math, will get to choose the first team I will study in depth with my new disabled list database. I know it is not much, but that is all I can really offer. Hopefully there will be more of these to come in the future.

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Jason Kendall, 2002, 706 OPS, 4.5 Runs/27 Outs
Pedro Feliz, 2003, 793 OPS, 4.2 Runs/27 Outs

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by jessef on Jun 23, 2009 7:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Nice, though Kendall is short

I was kinda expecting a made up line, but real players will do.

Am I guess you want the Mets?

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by Jeff Zimmerman (TucsonRoyal) on Jun 23, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

blue jays, actually

though the mets would be acceptable. really interested in seeing how their seemingly limitless pitcher injuries rank up there.

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by jessef on Jun 23, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I know the above statement is always not true

“always not true” or “not always true” – those word arrangements matter, especially from a math standpoint…

by cephyn on Jun 23, 2009 7:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Thanks -corrected

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by Jeff Zimmerman (TucsonRoyal) on Jun 23, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Is all else equal?

Same run environment, same parks, etc?

by Dan Turkenkopf on Jun 23, 2009 7:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Yes

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by Jeff Zimmerman (TucsonRoyal) on Jun 23, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Start with a player who has a walk/PA rate of .7 and a batting average of .000, so an OBP of .700 and an SLG of .000, so an OPS of .700.

Now take a player with a batting average of .400, 0 walks and an ISO of .000, so a SLG of .400 and an OPS of .800.

In a 5 RPG environment, a single is worth 0.488 runs and a walk is worth 0.327 runs, for a difference of .161.

In 10 PA:

7 * .327 = 2.289

4 * .488 = 1.952

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by cwyers on Jun 23, 2009 7:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

That was the method I used, but not as extreme. Somthing to the following line is what I got

OBA/350 SLG/350

OBA/200 SLG/600

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by Jeff Zimmerman (TucsonRoyal) on Jun 23, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

was basically what i tried to use with Kendall and Feliz

figured real-life examples would have more clout, especially guys we have all actually seen play.

feliz’s obp was a little higher than i wanted but he was just someone i happened to think of off the top of my head.

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by jessef on Jun 23, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

So, the basic answer is...

When ((OBP700-SLG700)/3) – ((OBP800-SLG800)/3) > OPS800 – OPS100?

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 23, 2009 8:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

IDK why the numbers are blue.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 23, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yay SBN auto format.

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by WalrusMan on Jun 24, 2009 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

None of them even lead to anything.

And the last OPS should be OPS700

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 24, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wouldn't just be something related to wOBA

I mean a .500 OBP and .200 SLG would generate more runs than .300 OBP and .500 SLG right?

I’m not good at this kind of stuff. :D

by TheFunkle on Jun 24, 2009 12:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

That's what I kinda used to come up with my overly-simplified equation.

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by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on Jun 24, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wily Mo Pena

.300 OBP .500 SLG
vs. some guy with .350 of both

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by harendaman365 on Jun 24, 2009 10:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs