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Weather Effects on the Knuckleball (UPDATED)

Outside Effects on the Knuckleball

The knuckleball has always been an interesting pitch to watch and study. It has the most interesting physics of any pitch in baseball, with the possible exception of the mysterious gyroball.

With the inception of Pitch F/x data, we have been able to study the knuckleball in ways never even imagined. It allows us to answer many questions about the effects of outside elements, such as the weather, on the knuckleball.

Before I answer any questions, I feel I should quickly explain my methods. I obtained all of Tim Wakefield's 2008 data, and broke down all of his knuckleballs. Because it would be difficult to measure horizontal and vertical movement together with all of the different factors, I used the Pythagorean formula (a^2 + b^2 = c^2) to compute how much the pitch moved from the zero mark. I called this "movement", and it appears on all graphs but the first one.

First, let's look at Wakefield's knuckleball movement throughout the year.

 

 

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The red circle on the graph represents the average movement of every knuckleball.

Next, let's look at how temperature and wind effect the movement of the knuckleball.

As it says on the graphs, there isn't much of a correlation between movement and the temperature and pitch movement. A correlation of 0.21 is small enough to conclude that the temperature doesn't have much, if anything at all, to do with knuckleball movement.

However, wind had more to do with the movement. A correlation of -0.375 tells us that with less wind,  there is more ball movement. However, the correlation isn't big enough to conclude that wind and movement are inversely correlated or not. It seems to be contrary to popular belief though, because you would think that faster wind would move the ball more.

Wakefield played games in domed ballparks last season, giving us a look into how his knuckleball moved in a more neutral environment. Here is how his indoor and outdoor games compared last season.

Strange results. Wakefield's outdoor results are more clustered, while his indoor games are spread out. Once again, this goes against what one would expect. Given zero wind and a constant temperature, I would expect to see the indoor games in a tight group, and the outdoor games in a spread. Granted, the indoor games had a smaller sample size, but it still jumps out to me.

Lastly, let's look at the effect of the speed of the pitch and the movement.

Once again, a correlation of -0.15 tells us that speed and movement really have nothing to do with each other. In fact, the faster the ball moves, the less it will break.

Conclusion

The knuckleball still remains a mystery due to the lack of consistency of Pitch F/x to correctly measure a knuckleball, and the weirdness of the pitch itself. All the above data proves is that the knuckleball will do what it will do, and there is not much anyone can do about it.

Resources

Thanks to Brooks Baseball for making the .xml data easy to find and download, and thanks to Sky for the idea for this piece.

UPDATE: Thanks to an astute observation, I took out all pitches that appeared to be fastballs. As predicted, the data didn't change a whole lot, but it didn't make a difference.

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Wouldn’t you think that the top right cluster in plot #1 and the top cluster in plot #5 are from the same pitches and therefore probably mis-identified fastballs. When you look at most movement plots the area where those pitches are located is typically the location of fastballs.

If you eliminate that cluster you would drop about (eyeballing it) 10-15% of the total pitches and would change the location of the average and may effect your correlations.

by JBrew on May 6, 2009 8:55 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

BTW

I didn’t mean to question your whole piece, it’s more work than I would have done.

Good job.

by JBrew on May 6, 2009 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point

There is a very good chance that this is true. I can’t see how Pitch F/x could be stupid enough to confuse fastballs with knuckleballs, but it looks like it did.

Still, I don’t think it will alter the correlations (other than speed) too much, because it was probably just a few pitches each game (maybe 10%).

I’ll see what I can do to nullify those pitches.

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by Zach Sanders on May 6, 2009 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

UPDATED

Thanks for the thoughts JBrew. Should all be correct now.

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by Zach Sanders on May 6, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Niekros

Well, Joe pitched a ton of games indoors at the Astrodome with his knuckleball successfully. Phil pitched a ton of game outdoors in the heat and humidity in Atlanta with his knuckleball successfully. That shows that weather doesn’t have much effect on the knuckleball.

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by memphiscub on May 6, 2009 9:30 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wish I would have thought of that

Wouldn’t have had to do all this work

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by Zach Sanders on May 6, 2009 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Curveball and Altitude

Is it a myth that the ball doesn’t curve as much in high altitude parks like Colorado as it does in lower altitude parks?

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by memphiscub on May 6, 2009 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Altitude

The lift coefficient is proportional to the air density, and the spin deflection is proportional to the lift coefficient. Fastballs hop/tail less and curveballs curve less in Colorado.

But the knuckleball isn’t dependent on the spin force for its movement like other pitches are. The knuckleball movement is dependent on the drag coefficient. For a rapidly spinning ball, the drag coefficient is also proportional to the air density, so all else being equal, Wakefield would probably get less movement at altitude. However, the knuckler is not a rapidly spinning ball. A much bigger determining factor than air density for the drag coefficient is the orientation of the seams on the ball throughout its flight.

by Mike Fast on May 6, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Theories I have

First of all great work. I am an avid Wakefield fan. I am also an engineer and have a few theories. Your correlation with wind does make some sense. The reason the knuckle ball moves is due to its lack of rotation the wind could move the ball into rotating, thus reducing its movement.

The amount of movement on the knuckle ball is proporionate to the coefficienct of drag. Some things off the top of my head that would change the coefficient of drag. Altitude, humidity, barometric pressure and the ball. If the ball is from coors field (do they still stick their balls in a humidor) it will have a different affect on the ball.

Great post thanks for the info.

by drabidea on May 7, 2009 2:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Awesome stuff here.

Got a few thoughts in my head but I’m going to take a day or two and look through the data some more before I ask any questions.

If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.

by Warden11 on May 8, 2009 9:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Which way the wind blows...

Re: the Wind Movement correlation. “Wind Speed” is an ambiguous term. Are you talking about a HEADWIND (relative to the pitcher), or a TAILWIND? Even +5mph vs. -5mph is a 10 mph spread right there, so all “5” windspeeds are not created equal. Seeing an r-correlation of wind speed to movement that was negative (-0.375) rather begged the question, at least to me.

Science isn’t always intuitive, but it would seem pitching with a tailwind at your back means you are throwing into a relative vacuum. This would work against the interests of the curveball and the knuckleball. Stated otherwise, pitching into a tailwind effectively raises the altitude of your ballpark, and pitching into a headwind lowers your elevation, possibly even to below sea level.

All other conditions being equal, I would think all curvers and knucklers would delight at pitching into a headwind, at sea level, or both.

by south-paw on May 9, 2009 5:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wind speeds are from ESPN. No specifics given on direction.

Would be really interesting to have wind speed/direction for each pitch to analyze, but I couldn’t find it anywhere.

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by Zach Sanders on May 11, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure how useful wind speed's going to be, then.

Sort of like using temperature of Boston, when half the games are on the road ;)

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by Sky Kalkman on May 12, 2009 7:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

an otherwise well written article...

I might add. The bottom line we can gather from your research is, neither the pitcher, batter, catcher, umpire, players in the dugout or the fans in the stands have any damn idea where the ball is going.

"Its hard to make predictions, especially about the future" -- Casey Stengel

by south-paw on May 12, 2009 9:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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