Dodgers at Cubs: BtB Inaugural Game Thread
by Sky Kalkman on May 31, 2009 7:00 PM EDT
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Los Angeles Dodgers at Chicago Cubs, May 31, 2009 8:05 PM EDT
I have no idea where this experiment will take us, but at least I won't have to read the phrase "OMG WINZ!!!". Of course, writing that pretty much guarantees I'll now read "OMG WINZ!!!" at least seven times. Oooh, let's try out some of those nifty SBN widgets. Tonight's starting pitchers are:
Ok, so I did a bit of editing there.
If there's any doubt as to what's appropriate at BtB (and it's different from other SBN blogs), take another gander at our Community Guidelines. Ignorance is not an excuse. </after_school_special>
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I voted for the last one
I have no idea what that means…but it sounded like it needed to be done.
by stlfan on May 31, 2009 7:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Marshall
cutters and curves, sliders some sinkers fastballs and changes. Fast=85 mph nowadays, not sure why. The curve is first rate yakkeroo
by Harry Pavlidis on May 31, 2009 7:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
...
Not looking forward to Joe Morgan
Papa don't preach, I'm in trouble deep
by Matchstckman on May 31, 2009 7:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Or Jon Miller
Papa don't preach, I'm in trouble deep
by Matchstckman on May 31, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or Steve Philips
Papa don't preach, I'm in trouble deep
by Matchstckman on May 31, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
those guys read
Beyond the Boxscore daily, or so I heard.
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
by Warden11 on May 31, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They don't learn anything from it, that's for damn sure.
"And you just don't get it, you keep it copacetic..."
by Blicks on May 31, 2009 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like him
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by vivaelpujols on May 31, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It never matches up and I hate hearing Santo go nuts about something 15 seconds before it happens.
Eh, it doesn’t really matter anyway because I’m switching to AMC to watch the season finale of Breaking Bad at 9 anyway.
Papa don't preach, I'm in trouble deep
by Matchstckman on May 31, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
First error of the broadcast
ESPN just said “Holiday” by Green Day was on the album Dookie….which it wasn’t.
Papa don't preach, I'm in trouble deep
by Matchstckman on May 31, 2009 8:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
they won't miss a beat with Pierre
Joe’s swinging for the fences early
"You miss 100% of the shots you don’t take.
-Wayne Gretzky"
-Michael Scott
by scatterbrian on May 31, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
grit
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by vivaelpujols on May 31, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank God for the radio
"That's what you live for. You live for the opportunity and when that day comes, you better be ready," Soto said. "I tried to make sure that whenever they gave me a chance, I was ready and I knew I had to take advantage of the opportunity."
by Madison Cub Fan on May 31, 2009 8:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ethier getting the night off?
Does he normally sit against lefties?
by Dan Turkenkopf on May 31, 2009 8:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So where's Kemp hitting tonight?
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
by Sky Kalkman on May 31, 2009 8:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I enjoy reading some of your fanposts link on BCB Harry
"That's what you live for. You live for the opportunity and when that day comes, you better be ready," Soto said. "I tried to make sure that whenever they gave me a chance, I was ready and I knew I had to take advantage of the opportunity."
by Madison Cub Fan on May 31, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks
and thanks for coming over for the game thread
by Harry Pavlidis on May 31, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well I've been a baseball fan since I was a little girl.....
but it’s been recently that I’ve been learning more about stats. So I thought maybe this would be something interesting to try while I’m listening to game.
"That's what you live for. You live for the opportunity and when that day comes, you better be ready," Soto said. "I tried to make sure that whenever they gave me a chance, I was ready and I knew I had to take advantage of the opportunity."
by Madison Cub Fan on May 31, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't Marshall throw in the low 90s in the past?
by Dan Turkenkopf on May 31, 2009 8:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Do you have his swinging strike rate from previous starts?
by Dan Turkenkopf on May 31, 2009 8:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
date,pitches,whiff rate
‘2007-05-23’, 99, 0.3061
‘2007-06-08’, 93, 0.1915
‘2007-06-13’, 94, 0.1346
‘2007-06-19’, 76, 0.1923
‘2007-06-24’, 54, 0.2000
‘2007-07-17’, 66, 0.1622
‘2007-07-22’, 96, 0.0930
‘2007-07-28’, 102, 0.1458
‘2007-08-02’, 66, 0.1667
‘2007-08-07’, 60, 0.1786
‘2007-08-18’, 65, 0.1034
‘2007-08-24’, 70, 0.2222
‘2007-08-31’, 81, 0.2703
‘2007-09-29’, 34, 0.2941
‘2008-04-09’, 16, 0.0000
‘2008-04-11’, 13, 0.1667
‘2008-04-13’, 11, 0.0000
‘2008-04-17’, 2, 0.0000
‘2008-04-18’, 2, 0.0000
‘2008-04-20’, 18, 0.3333
‘2008-04-23’, 4, 1.0000
‘2008-04-27’, 14, 0.0000
‘2008-04-29’, 7, 0.0000
‘2008-05-02’, 4, 0.3333
‘2008-05-04’, 9, 0.0000
‘2008-05-05’, 10, 0.2500
‘2008-05-07’, 47, 0.3333
‘2008-06-24’, 87, 0.1250
‘2008-06-29’, 93, 0.1628
‘2008-07-06’, 88, 0.1250
‘2008-07-12’, 20, 0.3000
‘2008-07-22’, 16, 0.1429
‘2008-07-26’, 49, 0.3333
‘2008-07-31’, 10, 0.4000
‘2008-08-06’, 18, 0.1111
‘2008-08-09’, 28, 0.1538
‘2008-08-13’, 10, 0.5000
‘2008-08-16’, 69, 0.3871
‘2008-08-23’, 18, 0.2000
‘2008-08-26’, 8, 0.4000
‘2008-08-28’, 15, 0.2000
‘2008-08-31’, 83, 0.0789
‘2008-09-07’, 103, 0.1667
‘2008-09-17’, 14, 0.0909
‘2008-09-19’, 35, 0.2222
‘2008-09-23’, 71, 0.2069
‘2008-09-28’, 13, 0.0000
‘2008-10-01’, 38, 0.3750
‘2008-10-04’, 13, 0.4286
‘2009-04-10’, 5,
‘2009-04-12’, 13, 0.2000
‘2009-04-16’, 92, 0.2105
‘2009-04-25’, 90, 0.1778
‘2009-04-30’, 102, 0.2174
‘2009-05-05’, 95, 0.0682
‘2009-05-10’, 97, 0.1212
‘2009-05-16’, 3, 0.0000
‘2009-05-21’, 78, 0.0857
‘2009-05-26’, 83, 0.2821
by Harry Pavlidis on May 31, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Up and Down
But only 6 whiffs in 95 pitches on May 5?
Wow
by Dan Turkenkopf on May 31, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
less than that
whiffs rate is based on swings, not pitches. More likely ~3 whiffs
by Harry Pavlidis on May 31, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so you want it to be as low as possible
"That's what you live for. You live for the opportunity and when that day comes, you better be ready," Soto said. "I tried to make sure that whenever they gave me a chance, I was ready and I knew I had to take advantage of the opportunity."
by Madison Cub Fan on May 31, 2009 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We're looking at it from the pitcher's perspective
So you want as many swings and misses as possible.
by Dan Turkenkopf on May 31, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok sorry a bit slow :(
"That's what you live for. You live for the opportunity and when that day comes, you better be ready," Soto said. "I tried to make sure that whenever they gave me a chance, I was ready and I knew I had to take advantage of the opportunity."
by Madison Cub Fan on May 31, 2009 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No worries
There’s a lot of new concepts out there.
by Dan Turkenkopf on May 31, 2009 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok I think I get it
"That's what you live for. You live for the opportunity and when that day comes, you better be ready," Soto said. "I tried to make sure that whenever they gave me a chance, I was ready and I knew I had to take advantage of the opportunity."
by Madison Cub Fan on May 31, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can I ask what Whiffs rate is?
"That's what you live for. You live for the opportunity and when that day comes, you better be ready," Soto said. "I tried to make sure that whenever they gave me a chance, I was ready and I knew I had to take advantage of the opportunity."
by Madison Cub Fan on May 31, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If my questions are too distracting let me know :)
"That's what you live for. You live for the opportunity and when that day comes, you better be ready," Soto said. "I tried to make sure that whenever they gave me a chance, I was ready and I knew I had to take advantage of the opportunity."
by Madison Cub Fan on May 31, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
misses divided by swings
and not a distraction, fielding questions is the point here.
by Harry Pavlidis on May 31, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since 2002
Pierre has accumulated a -42.8 “arm”, nearly wiping out his range in UZR
by Harry Pavlidis on May 31, 2009 8:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=443&position=OF
by Harry Pavlidis on May 31, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where does Coco Crisp end up in this area?
I imagine it is similar territory.
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
by Warden11 on May 31, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not even close, but not good either
by Harry Pavlidis on May 31, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
After watching Crisp this season,
I’m fairly convinced Little Leaguers can throw the ball more accurately from the outfield. Guess I need to watch Pierre.
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
by Warden11 on May 31, 2009 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you're looking for little leaguers, then yes,he's the man to watch
/disgruntled Cub fan
by Harry Pavlidis on May 31, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not the accuracy
It’s the arm strength.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 1, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crisp's arm strength is terrible.
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
by Warden11 on Jun 2, 2009 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, to clarify
I was talking about Pierre’s arm strength. I think he has the worst arm strength in the majors.
by Brendan Scolari on Jun 2, 2009 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ha
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by vivaelpujols on May 31, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still, not bad range, though, huh?
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
by Sky Kalkman on May 31, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's got to be it for Marshall, right?
Or does he take one for the pitching staff?
by Dan Turkenkopf on May 31, 2009 8:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
dos equis
Was the Dos Equis commercial inspired by Matt Wieters, or is it the other way around?
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by JinAZ on May 31, 2009 8:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Can I go off topic and ask what the thoughts on
Austin Wood throwing 169 pitches last night?
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
by Warden11 on May 31, 2009 9:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
fire that coach?
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by berselius on May 31, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt Augie gets fired
and I doubt UT’s administration really cares. Crazy though.
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
by Warden11 on May 31, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bet Wood wasn't that interested in coming out without giving up a hit either.
Athletes are ultra-competitive even when it’s not in their best interest.
by Dan Turkenkopf on May 31, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Insanity
Reminds me of Kerry Wood doing something like that in high school
by Harry Pavlidis on May 31, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have to admit,
I’ve let a high school kid throw 131 pitches in a game. Late in the year, 80 degree weather, and he was a senior in our last game. Regionals and he didn’t want to come out. He was going JUCO the following year, I figured they’d kill his arm more than I did.
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
by Warden11 on May 31, 2009 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he threw like 250 though
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by vivaelpujols on May 31, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was the closer, right? So he averages, oh 20-30 pitches per appearance?
Were there not other option in the ’pen?
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by Sky Kalkman on May 31, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know,
is he a closer? I think I read that he threw 2 innings on Friday, so maybe.
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
by Warden11 on May 31, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
15 saves.. 0 starts.. 75 IP in the regular season
by Dan Turkenkopf on May 31, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Regular season's what in college? 40 games?
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by Sky Kalkman on May 31, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was more like 55
for D1 schools.
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
by Warden11 on May 31, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't know.
What’s a closer’s usage pattern like if he’s getting 75 IP in 55 games?
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by Sky Kalkman on May 31, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's College
Who knows what those crazy kids are going there.
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by vivaelpujols on May 31, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
*doing
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by vivaelpujols on May 31, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beats me.
Hang on.
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
by Warden11 on May 31, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here is there stats page
http://www.texassports.com/sports/m-basebl/stats/2008-2009/teamcume.html
Hmm, looks like he is a long relief/ fireman type guy. Maybe Augie is AHEAD of the curve with this guy.
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
by Warden11 on May 31, 2009 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mult-inning fireman makes sense.
When you’ve got 55 games, I’d leave Mo in multiple 2 inning stints, too.
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by Sky Kalkman on May 31, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
going out on a limb,
i predict no ill effects from this stunt.
Space.
It's a problem we face.
So we never go anywhere.
We just stay in one place.
by hazel on May 31, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Programming Note: PITCHf/x "Radio" Monday Night
I’ll be on 643 Sports tomorrow night (Monday 6/1) around 7ish Central time (8 eastern). You can dial in and all that good stuff. Info here:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/643sports/2009/06/02/643-Sports
by Harry Pavlidis on May 31, 2009 9:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm so excited to see Milton pitching again.
He was something to watch when he was with my Reds.
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by JinAZ on May 31, 2009 9:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Heck if I know
They’re missing him so far. I try to avoid any sort of diagnostic of player ability using my eyes, as I’m completely clueless with respect to angle, movement, etc. I can point out stuff, like I don’t remember his arm whipping around so much on his follow-through, but more than likely it doesn’t mean anything. :)
-j
My blog: Basement-Dwellers.com
by JinAZ on May 31, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad we have no pre-surgery PITCHf/x on him
by Harry Pavlidis on May 31, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice quick recap there, however
Looks like he’s always had that follow-through. :) -j
My blog: Basement-Dwellers.com
by JinAZ on May 31, 2009 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, one more fairly off topic question:
Guys/Gals that read Beyond the Boxscore, were you also fans of “FireJoeMorgan”? Just curious because that was the site pushed me to this side of baseball.
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
by Warden11 on May 31, 2009 9:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I almost fell out of my chair when I found out Ken Tremendous was Michael Schur
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by berselius on May 31, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't know that
Thats totally awesome though.
by yankee13man on May 31, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would have been happier if they used "better" sabermetrics
They quoted OPS and ERA way too much. But yeah, I really enjoyed reading their stuff. They had a couple of articles, like the “Superbike” one, that actually made me crack up laughing.
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by vivaelpujols on May 31, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough.
For me though, they were the first guys I read that made fun of “gritty gamers”. After seeing OPS and everything else, I finally started to look elsewhere. KT was also hilarious, that never hurt.
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
by Warden11 on May 31, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have an OT question for you
You’re a HS coach right? Do you use Sabermetric principles to make decisions with your team?
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by vivaelpujols on May 31, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At times,
but a problem with some of the saber principles and high school baseball is the environment. Bunts can change a game if you get a kid on the mound that can’t move, stolen bases are a lot easier to come by (less risk), and the hitters go from good to crap in a heartbeat.
All in all, a reason why I follow saber stuff is to see conventional wisdom questioned.
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
by Warden11 on May 31, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And like I mentioned in the momentum thread,
I think a lot of “conventional wisdom” is stuff that all of our dads learned when they played BabeRuth/ Legion ball.
Statistics were never questioned because who was going to run a database with 50 years worth of data by hand?
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
by Warden11 on May 31, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sticking with the HS theme real quick,
I do laugh a lot when I see coaches give away outs in 5 of 7 innings, whether it is through bunts, caught stealing, failed hit and runs and everything else.
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
by Warden11 on May 31, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last HS thing I'll mention,
Situation: Runner on 1st, 0 outs.
Sac bunt runner to 2nd. 1 out.
Sac bunt runner to 3rd. 2 outs.
Wild pitch scored the runner. We were down 1 and the catcher we were facing couldn’t block a beach ball. That’s the type of situation that can throw a kink in saber stuff at the HS level.
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
by Warden11 on May 31, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks for the answers
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by vivaelpujols on May 31, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I might be a moron,
I know I’ve been called one before. Any thoughts from the other guys here?
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
by Warden11 on May 31, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like you mentioned with the bunt-bunt-passed ball thing...
the frequency of various events are extremely different at the high school level. Many of the hard conclusions of sabermetrics don’t hold, but the process is still valid. You just need to change the inputs.
My guess is that there are a lot more walks, errors, SB, and WP/PB in high school. Yes? No?
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by Sky Kalkman on May 31, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Walks are similar for the most part.
The last two years we averaged a little over 1 error a game. But we also had 5 games with zero errors. Stolen base success rate is very high if the kids are taught (or told) to go on a pitcher’s rhythm. WP/ PB is much higher.
No doubt that you could use the process to help, but the variables are so extreme. Some teams are good and some teams are really, really bad. Just throws things out of whack. Not to mention, we don’t have access to stats for other teams.
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
by Warden11 on May 31, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You could probably use something like Tango's Markov chain run matrix generator
imputing the highschool run environment and the frequency of the events. That would give you a rough approximation of how much each event is worth on average. I believe maxpreps tracks most of the stats, so it wouldn’t be that hard to do.
Here is the link to the markov chain
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by vivaelpujols on May 31, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I've looked at that.
Maxpreps seems to be updated right at the end of the season. Coaches don’t want that information out during the season. The secrecy is kind of ridiculous considering we all have the same lineup for the most part.
1-5/6 are pretty good hitters, the rest we just hope it gets put in play.
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
by Warden11 on May 31, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I liked Junior the best
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by vivaelpujols on May 31, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
KT was tremendous!
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
by Warden11 on May 31, 2009 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it was kind of funny when they'd rail on people for being short-sighted while using VORP.
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by Sky Kalkman on May 31, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They were more ERA+ and OPS+
Which is slightly less bad
I know whom to call for a hole in my roof or a whole new roof.
by lightbulb on May 31, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep
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by vivaelpujols on May 31, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not really
I actually thought they were a bit mean-spirited most of the time, and that kind of thing rarely helps dialog.
Sometimes, I enjoyed them—they eviscerated a Cincinnati columnist who really deserved it not long before they closed up shop. But I didn’t enjoy reading them regularly
-j
My blog: Basement-Dwellers.com
by JinAZ on May 31, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
The whole hating “traditionalism” thing has gotten old and has probably hindered the popularity of stats, but if anyone’s going to do it, I wanted those guys to do it.
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by Sky Kalkman on May 31, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, living in basements don't help either
and has probably hindered the popularity of stats
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
by Warden11 on May 31, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah jinAZ
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by vivaelpujols on May 31, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone loves a good basement dweller..
My blog: Basement-Dwellers.com
by JinAZ on May 31, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That blog name would go over better if you weren't writing about the Reds.
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by Sky Kalkman on May 31, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gave me an idea for starting a Royals blog,
instead of basement dwellers, it would be “Cellar Dwellers”
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
by Warden11 on May 31, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So when are we going to do this?
Big Numbers
by homerun013 on May 31, 2009 9:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So who's still around?
My girlfriend got back from a weekend away and we spend a while cooking dinner (salad, pork tenderloin, and roasted cauliflower with parm and truffle oil) and drinking wine, but I’m back and hopefully will be watching the rest of the game.
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by Sky Kalkman on May 31, 2009 9:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
pork tenderloin sounds awesome,
roasted cauliflower though?
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
by Warden11 on May 31, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate cauliflower.
Mix is with basting oil, roast in 500 degree oven until tips are dry and crispy and the rest is soft, then drizzle with parm and truffle oil. Very sweet and tasty.
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by Sky Kalkman on May 31, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm hear as long as my kid holds out.
She’s about an hour into her 1-3 hour gap between feedings.
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by JinAZ on May 31, 2009 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Milton's starting to look like his old self!
Just one long fly to go…
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by JinAZ on May 31, 2009 9:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
bah, milton's out
My interest in the game just fell dropped by 50%. Doesn’t help that my wife is recording Breaking Bad and HGTV’s $250k challenge at the same time right now, which leaves me without a tuner to watch the rest. ::sigh::
Back to trying to get my Reds spreadsheet going. Anyone know the average length of a starter outing?
-j
My blog: Basement-Dwellers.com
by JinAZ on May 31, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
should be able to find in at Baseball-Reference
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by vivaelpujols on May 31, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pulled it via fangraphs
In 2008, 4856 GS and 28198.7 IP. That’s 5.8 IP/gs. I was guessing 5.5, so this seems about right.
I just needed an estimate for how many innings to assign a game started when I don’t know how many innings a split-duty pitcher started vs relieved. This’ll do just fine.
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by JinAZ on May 31, 2009 10:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
crap
someday i’ll figure out this threading stuff. -j
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by JinAZ on May 31, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you're looking for data pre-2009, I have a breakdown of starting vs relieving IP by pitcher
by Dan Turkenkopf on May 31, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, it's 2009
And I could get it straight from fangraphs’ team pages. But this is just for my running glance at the Reds during the season, and doesn’t need to be perfect. Close enough is just fine. -j
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by JinAZ on May 31, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dodgers defense is excellent- Jon Miller
Is this true? Replacing Manny with Pierre couldn’t have hurt it any.
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
by Warden11 on May 31, 2009 10:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Through yesterday
bUZR has them at -2.9 runs. But THT’s in-house stat (based on batted balls) has them at +9.6 runs. Might be a park effect or something. I’m averaging these for the power rankings and rating them at +3.4 runs. So, more or less average. Probably trending upward vs. earlier this week, though…
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by JinAZ on May 31, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cubs could definitely use Grudz,
would the Royals still get a comp. pick?
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by Warden11 on May 31, 2009 10:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Joe Morgan:
You have to find more than pieces, you have to find WINNING players.
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
by Warden11 on May 31, 2009 10:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sky and Harry
If you’re still around, check your email.
by Dan Turkenkopf on May 31, 2009 10:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sortable tables are on my mind, Dan
by Harry Pavlidis on May 31, 2009 10:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good idea... shouldn't be too hard.
by Dan Turkenkopf on May 31, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tables are sortable
Need to work on the look and feel
by Dan Turkenkopf on May 31, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm herrrreeee....
Better late then never?
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by Zach Sanders on May 31, 2009 10:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fairly interesting discussion by the announcers about Manny.
Can he get some games in the minors (sort of a rehab stint) before his suspension is up. Joe Morgan is totally against it and I’m agreeing with him.
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by Warden11 on May 31, 2009 11:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm against him on this one
And the argument that Major League Baseball is Minor League Baseball is very confusing to me.
by Dan Turkenkopf on May 31, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
Just seems odd to me that the minors have had 50 game suspensions for awhile on PED suspensions, yet they would let a guy play that hadn’t served his 50 games.
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
by Warden11 on May 31, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have to let them rehab
Otherwise long suspensions become longer. 50 games becomes 60 since you have to wait to get a guy in some minor league games.
by Harry Pavlidis on May 31, 2009 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rehab from what though?
Man, I just don’t see it. It’s not like he is sitting out 50 games because he is hurt. He can swing and do everything else right now.
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by Warden11 on May 31, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rehab may not be the right word
But they need to see live pitching/hitting before coming back, the point is the suspension should not have a de facto 10 days tacked on.
As far as minor league suspensions, I have two thoughts there. One, send them to instructional league (we get into a never ending question here, see thought #2). Two, fuggataboutit. Minors ain’t Majors, but let hem operate on the same principals. Whatever the setting, the player should be allowed to be game ready when the suspension ends. IMO.
by Harry Pavlidis on Jun 1, 2009 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and what about a guy in AA
that gets banged for PED’s, does he get to go to A to rehab?
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by Warden11 on May 31, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's been fun
except for, ya know, the Cubs. Good night.
by Harry Pavlidis on May 31, 2009 11:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Since nobody said it
OMG WINZ!!!
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by berselius on Jun 1, 2009 3:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow, 150 comments, that's not bad at all for a first game thread.
We’ll try this again, and I might even show up!
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
by Sky Kalkman on Jun 1, 2009 10:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I like it
not really very game thready because most people aren’t really routing for a team, but the discussion was interesting nonetheless.
St. Louis Cardinals... defying win expectancy since 2008
by vivaelpujols on Jun 2, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was a pretty boring game too
With the Dodgers jumping out to the big early lead, so there wasn’t a lot of game action to focus the conversation.
by Dan Turkenkopf on Jun 2, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who's playing next sunday?
St. Louis Cardinals... defying win expectancy since 2008
by vivaelpujols on Jun 2, 2009 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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