Re: overweight Ortiz, Prince Fielder, are you paying attention?
The Brewers have a future Ortiz in the making: Prince Fielder, who more to the point, is following in his obese father's footsteps. There have been many agile, athletic first basemen over the years who IMO could have played elsewhere on the field--JT Snow, Keith Hernandez, Don Mattingly, Cecil Cooper to name a few--but the problem with these overweight first basemen/sluggers, is, DH aside, there is absolutely no where else you can put them on the field other than first.
When I see Prince jogging around the bases after one of his admittedly prodigious home runs--tugging down on his jersey to keep it over his stomach because his gut is too big to tuck it in his pants, and I can't help but think his candle will burn brightly, but briefly.
A shame.
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Ortiz had 5 straight seasons with a wOBA over .400 from 2003-2007,
in which his win values ranged from 3.4-6.7. This year, at age 34, he looks like he might be declining rather rapidly, but he was a very good player for a while. If Prince has a prime like Ortiz did, crappy defense or not, he would be an incredibly valuable player and Brewers execs would be ecstatic.
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by vivaelpujols on May 12, 2009 10:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
For how many years?.
True, but when Prince gets into the hypersalary phase of his career in a few years, should the Brewers—who might feel they are pushing their luck with him—trade him away instead of keeping him during his age 30+ injury prone quick-decline phase because of his 300 lb out of shape body? Can’t help thinking about the similar career arc of his father, and how little the junior Fielder has learned from it.
"Its hard to make predictions, especially about the future" -- Casey Stengel
by south-paw on May 12, 2009 10:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If Prince's productivity lasts half as long as Ortiz's, I think the Brewers will be fine with him as he is
Is this post a request that Prince aggressively diet and exercise on top of his current baseball role to shed his excess weight? He’s at least got the diet part down. I’m sure he could get more cardio or something if his frame’s carrying that much excess despite vegetarianism and playing everyday.
by Gomez on May 13, 2009 12:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Vegetarianism is not a "diet" in the way you are using the term.
Especially considering he’s doing it for reasons other than his health. Giving up hamburgers and eating more french fries isn’t going to help you lose weight.
by lookatthosetwins on May 13, 2009 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd agree if he was porking on french fries
though none of the information I’ve read indicates that he’s practicing such a half-hearted diet. That said, I agree he’s not really doing it for health reasons.
by Gomez on May 13, 2009 3:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Considering the website...
I was really hoping for some stats, maybe a nifty graph or two…
WAR graphs of notably overweight players, or maybe a study on weight as compared to aging curves…
Oh well.
by lookatthosetwins on May 13, 2009 12:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm really hoping someone adds that to the discussion. Desperately hoping...
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by Sky Kalkman on May 13, 2009 7:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's some high fiber
the DiF+ would place him with the league leaders but I could see the ToF and SaF really dragging down his NCAA (Nutritional Content above Alternatives).
by JBrew on May 14, 2009 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sweet lord that's a lot of fiber
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by azruavatar on May 14, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Organic Coconut flour?
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by joof on May 14, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
IDK.
Just searched for a nutritional panel.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on May 14, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seen it.
Love the pyramid of bowls.
by bs.uf15bosox9bears23 on May 14, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“WAR graphs of notably overweight players…”
Well, if it helps, here are players, min 3000 AB, sorted by BMI:
Prince Fielder 35.4
Kirby Puckett 31.9
Ramon Hernandez 30.8
Frank Thomas 30.5
Mo Vaughn 30.3
Pete Incaviglia 30.3
Ivan Rodriguez 30.3
Carlos Lee 30.2
Barry Bonds 30.1
Bobby Bonilla 30.0
Cecil Fielder 30.0
Sammy Sosa 29.88
Harmon Killebrew 29.7
Greg Luzinski 29.7
Lenny Harris 29.4
Andres Galarraga 29.4
Vlad Guerrero 29.4
Edgar Marttinez 29.3
Bengi Molina 29.3
Kevin Mitchell 29.3
This is using the weights and heights from the lahman database.
by erosen on May 14, 2009 3:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Should we adjust BMI by era? I mean, players today are bigger than in the past ; )
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by Sky Kalkman on May 14, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Officially (cough), CC Sabathia is 6-7 and 250 which = BMI 28.2
But CC probably hasn’t seen 250 since high school. Whoever recorded Sabathia at 250 for his official playing weight must have lent him a fistfull of helium balloons.
Let me put it this way: the 1/2 season CC was with Milwaukee, Prince Fielder enjoyed a sojurn during which he was only the second heaviest player on the team. Of course, Fielder isn’t 6 foot 7, either.
"Its hard to make predictions, especially about the future" -- Casey Stengel
by south-paw on May 14, 2009 11:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
stop me before I BMI again....
Some players who I thought were pretty chunky just barely make the bottom of erosen’s list:, if you believe their official height/weights:
Babe Ruth 6-2, 215 = 27.6 (svelte?) 6-2 and 215 is the build of a rather well proportioned althlete, actually. To be honest, GH Ruth had a pretty good physique in his early career (late Bosox, early Yankees), but probably ballooned up to 260-270 later on. He had to have spent most of his career considerably heavier than 215.
Mickey Lolich 6-0, 210 = 28.5 (210? Mickey Lolich? Who publishes these numbers??)
Lius Tiant 5-11, 190 = 26.5 (somehow I remember him heavier, might be wrongly accusing Senor Cigar on this one)
John Kruk 5-10, 205 = 29.4 (again, I suspect a bit skimpy on the scale, but closer to the truth than the others. 220 was probably more accurate.)
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by south-paw on May 15, 2009 12:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ruth's numbers always amaze me,
but thinking about the few clips I’ve seen of him, I’d say he wasn’t any bigger than 250ish. Fielder would make him look skinny.
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
by Warden11 on May 15, 2009 6:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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