FanGraphs adds ZIPS in-season projections
Dan Szymborski gives us a great new tool for modifying a players preseason projection based on his current performance. I think he is just using Bayesian inference, so the numbers won't take into account specific changes in approach/velocity/injuries or anything else that isn't necessarily captured by the numbers, however, it is still a great thing to have.
Dan also offers a spreadsheet, that you can download here, which allows you to input your favorite players current numbers and their name to get their update projection for the rest of the year.
Thanks to his .250 wOBA so far this year, BtB's favorite player BJ Upton, now is only projected to have a .354 wOBA for the rest of the season, and only .334 wOBA this year. Sucks for whoever drafted him the BoaB league.
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but longoria
is projected to have a .406 wOBA for the season. :evil laugh:
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Mark Ellis is our collective favorite player.
BJ’s pre-season ZiPS was .367 and it’s fallen to .350 after a month. Huh, I wouldn’t have guessed it would have changed so much.
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
Upton's projection
It’s definitely one of the larger changes! It’s pretty hard to avoid, however. 119 PA of merely subpar play would change our best estimate of Upton’s “true talent” very slightly, 119 PA of 167/277/216 is enough to push that probability density function to the left a bit.
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by D.Szymborski on May 11, 2009 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm with you.
I honestly hadn’t realize Upton was hitting so poorly.
It’s also one of those situations where a subjective element is significantly in play: Upton’s recovery from off-season surgery.
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
by Sky Kalkman on May 11, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Am I the only one who isn't a fan of this psuedo-real time projection updates?
I like projections to be projections. Trying to refine them in season feels revisionist with a crystal ball element. I love projections but sometimes, for me, there’s a saturation point.
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I'm a HUGE fan of the RoS projection, honestly.
There are tons of times we try to answer the question about a player “what’s he going to do the rest of the way?” For that, these are perfect (well, not perfect, but pretty good.) Zach Greinke’s off to a hot start. Statistically speaking, what do we expect the rest of the way?
Also nice for fantasy, if you can apply a playing time adjustment in your head.
I don’t like the “season total” thing, as there are rare cases you care about a player’s projected total season line, and yet it gets quoted more than it should. From re-reading azruavatar’s comment, maybe this is the piece you don’t like the most: we’re revising our projection of what a player’s season line will be? Yeah, a little revisionist. Hey look, I can nail the season projection after 162 games worth of knowledge!
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
Let me try to put it to you differently.
The idea of a projection is primarily to convey useful information about something. Being as accurate as possible is the means to this end, not the end itself – if a player’s statistics didn’t convey useful information about baseball, then all projection systems would be kind of pointless. It’s not trying to tinker with the crystal ball, but trying to answer a useful question – how a player will play the rest of year is useful information, so we should use the best information possible at all points.
Let me give you an analogy. Let’s say it’s payday at your office and after your paycheck is deposited, you have $2500 in your checking account. You look at your bills and you project that, after paying all your outstanding bills, you will have $1100 in your checking account. 3 days later, however, your air conditioning goes on the fritz and you have to spend $600 having it repaired. At that point, 3 days later, you don’t care whether or not your original projection of $1100 is erroneous, you care about projecting what your checking account will look like after factoring in the new information.
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by D.Szymborski on May 11, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You have clearly never priced air conditioners
Or you got the best deal of all time.
Anyway, thanks for developing this, Dan, and letting David implement it. From the time I sent him the email to the time it was up on FG was three days. That’s some service right there!
by davidcameron on May 11, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Heh, I said repair, not replace! That’s about what I paid last year to have an evaporator coil replaced. Frigging thing was 2 months out of warranty, too (thankfully, the compressor the year before was covered).
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by D.Szymborski on May 11, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Ouch
My furnace and AC unit are both older than Jamie Moyer, so I just went through the estimate/salespitch gauntlet of HVAC replacement.
I’m going to need to ask Appelman for a raise.
by davidcameron on May 11, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, after being told the compressor would have been $1500 if it hadn’t been under warranty, I mentally did a cost/benefit analysis of moving to St. John’s, Newfoundland.
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by D.Szymborski on May 11, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Aren’t projections also essentially an estimate of a player’s true talent level?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
yes
that is why they are often more useful that actual performance.
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by vivaelpujols on May 15, 2009 5:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm a pretty big fan of adjusted projections.
Projections to me aren’t important as some sort of contest to see who can be the most right, they’re trying to give people an idea of what to expect from the season. And adjusted projections are trying to give people an idea of what to expect from the rest of the season.
it sucks for me, by the way
I took Upton with the first overall pick
I'm not a sabermetrician, but I do play one at Driveline Mechanics.
sorry
St. Louis Cardinals... defying win expectancy since 2008
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