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Sean Smith has improved his awesome WAR database at baseballprojection.com with pitching WAR in the Retro Sheet era.

So, that's pretty cool. Want to know what Greg Maddux was worth over his career in a way you can compare to position players? Just head to the pitching WAR index right here. Also available in Top 300 form. Erik already used this to compare non-Hall of Famer Bert Blyeven to Hall of Famers Don Sutton and Nolan Ryan below.

It's not the most sortable of databases, it's only back to 1953, there may be better ways to do things that someone will come along and present, and I'm personally not entirely clear on the methodology, but it's still really nifty to see. I also love that it's apparently adjusted for "pitchers' opponents," something that I think should be a major part of analyzing a pitcher's performance.

Anyway, have fun. Talk about what stands out to you.

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Koufax vs. Pedro


It’s really weird to look at Koufax’s career in graph form.

by philkid3 on Apr 26, 2009 11:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well put.

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Apr 27, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what leverage "bonus" do you guys like for relievers?

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by larry on Apr 27, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Multiply innings by their saves

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by vivaelpujols on Apr 27, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, chaining is important.

I’m not totally sold, but based on an article I wrote last night which I thought would have a different outcome, but ended up supporting chaining, I think I’m on board. I’ll re-write it and publish it. Nothing more than expanding on Tango’s description of chaining.

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Apr 28, 2009 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I do wonder if we can get a bit more accurate than averaging LI and 1.

I mean, if there’s a systematic short-changing or overcrediting of relievers by, say, .05 LI, that’s going to add up.

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Apr 28, 2009 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chaining makes intuitive sense

But I’m not sure how to best calculate it. Perhaps your deLI work will help.

by Dan Turkenkopf on Apr 28, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm guessing/hoping calculus will be required.

Instead of assuming six or seven discrete players making up the theoretically average bullpen, we’ll probably need to create a distribution of innings by FIP and LI, described by a continuous function and adjusted to include each pitcher’s actual performance. Then when you remove the pitcher, things change. The sum of all those little changes requires the summing of some infinitessimal differences. Or so my not so clear mind thinks.

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Apr 28, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My also not clear mind seems to think that makes sense

I think you’d also need to consider whether you chain based on the actual bullpen (down to a replacement level reliever) or on a theoretical bullpen.

by Dan Turkenkopf on Apr 28, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i like this. a lot.

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by larry on Apr 27, 2009 11:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think he may not have correctly era adjusted it...

To see Pedro’s seasons turn up so low when in actuality they are probably the best ever… And there is no way Koufax’s best season> Pedro’s 2000 or 1999

by Markakis and Wieters 4 Life on Apr 27, 2009 5:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Why not?

Unless you mean in terms of league quality (like WARP3), which he didn’t bother with. It’s more like WARP1.

by philkid3 on Apr 27, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bob Gibson

put up a combined 22.9 WAR in 1968 and 1969. I would bet that is the best two year stretch of any pitcher in the last 60 years.

St. Louis Cardinals... defying win expectancy since 2008

by vivaelpujols on Apr 27, 2009 11:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Holy hell, 315 and 305 IP?

That’s ridiculous even without considering how insanely well he pitched

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by Jack Moore on Apr 28, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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